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Does anyone know where I can get a LARGE Geo Metro sticker for the rear window?
Regards, S.M.
carlady/host
I haven't found any Metro graphics available,
but we can get t-shirts! Go to:
http://www.merl.eleeto.com/
for the Metro Endurance Racing League
(with tongue planted DEEPLY in cheek)
Also, check out the anime character at:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/6939/geo.htm
His name is GEO METRO! *ROTFL*
BTW... Peanut is still running fine, with a bit over 6K miles on her.
Best to all...
MetroGnome
What is the largest tire that will fit on a 13" wheel for a 2000 Metro LSi Hatchback?
There is a P185/80R-13 available, but the dealer believes it would be too big and would
rub the sides when I turn.
There is also a P175/80R-13 but I don't know.
My reason for a "taller" tire: When I park,(heads in), the bottom part of my bumper
scrapes the concrete curb. If I can get some more height it would clear it. If anyone has
had any success in these larger tires, I would like to hear it. Will my metro support a
P185/80R-13 or P175/80R-13?
Thanks.
Tom.
I did my brakes on my Metro at 88K. But I did not buy it until 63K so I do not know if they were done before. Rotors are expensive. Pads are expensive. Be careful not to stretch out the brake line when you remove the caliper.
I have a set of 175/70R-13 and wanted a set of winter studded tires. I decided to try the largest tires that would fit my rim and under the front fenders. My local tire dealer said the 185/80R-13 were a no-go. He said he personally would go no higher than the 165/80R-13 but said the 175/80R-13 might fit. And that was "iffy" at best. I went with the 175/80R-13.
If I turn lock-to-lock, they just barely (and I do mean b-a-r-e-l-y), rub on the back-front fender well. What scrapes is the top of the studs (and it is minor, only when I hold the wheel as far as it goes full right or full left). The only thing it scrapes is the undercoat. That's it. So if I do have to turn that hard, I made a mental note to drive real slow and not go over any big bumps (especially if I have the car loaded down!).
I believe if I didn't have a studded tire, it would not scrape.
Tom
carlady/host
http://www.raven-rotor.com/html/price.html
The headers are about 1/2 down the page. I have never seen a lift kit for a metro but you never know.
hope that helped (probably didn't :P)
carlady/host
djmick. Junkyard. That's your best bet. The dealer will charge you too much (maybe more than $300) and no aftermarket company makes a mirror for the 1995-up Metro. You could put on a generic $20 mirror from an auto parts store if you don't mind having them not match left to right. It is possible older Metro mirrors will fit the holes but I do not know. Anyway, like I said. Junkyard, junkyard, junkyard. Houston has tons of them, and many of them will pull the part for you and have it waiting when you arrive. But they may require prepayment so you'll have to make two trips or pay by credit card. Try various combinations of auto, salvage, car, recycler, or whatever, followed by dot com, and you might find someone online who can deliver. Do a search for used auto parts on any search engine and maybe you'll find either a local Houston yard or one that will ship the part to you.
Now even small cars are about $16,000+ and their mileage is at least 1/3 less than 10 years ago. I don't think that the auto manufacturers are interested in the inexpensive small car market because they can't gouge the consumer enough. So they phased out good quality small cars. In the case of the Metro GM reduced the standard equipment year after year and raised the price until they made it so undesirable that no one would buy one.
For example GM could have sold Metro's with 4 wheel disc brakes since 1990. They were standard equipment on the Suzuki Swift GT and would have bolted on with no modifications to either the 2 or 4 door. They could have used the Multi Port Injection from the GT and gotten rid of the Throttle Body Injection. GM was perfectly capable of using in house parts that required no modifications and produced a world class small car. But instead they chose to shove mediocrity and apathy to the consumer and wondered why after really making no improvements after 15 years that sales went into the dumpster.
Make no doubt I believe that the Suzuki drivetrain is rock solid and I am one the Metro's biggest fans. I am just so sorry to have seen it suffer in the hands of GM.
My last point is that there is absolutely no reason why auto manufacturers can't make great small cars. It seems to me that the push is to make Hybrid vehicles that get 55 MPG that the manufacturer can make $3000 per vehicle because they can charge $20000+ than small cars that the profit margin is much thinner. The auto maker makes a whole ton of money, but the consumer suffers because there are no longer any affordable small cars that get good mileage.
OK, I have now stepped off of my soapbox.
A new Civic HX with 5-speed gets 35mpg city, 44mpg highway. That's for a 117hp 1.7 liter engine, 3.84:1 final drive, and a much heavier car. But the new Swift with 5-speed gets ony 36mpg city and 42mpg highway. It weighs less, has a similar coefficient of drag, and a 0.4 liter smaller engine with only 79hp. You would think it would get better mileage. But with the shorter gears in the transmission and the 3.61:1 final drive, it still does worse. 2 years ago the same car with the same gear ratios and the same weight and equipment was rated at 39mpg city, 43mpg highway. I don't get it.
Generous Motors (GM) only seems interested in the short term gain of putting station
wagons on truck chassis calling them SUVs and counting their profits and if the Insights
etc. catch on GM can cry to the government that they tried with the EV1, who wouldn't
want a vehicle with a range of almost 100 miles ... Happy New Year all !
Rob Fruth - Houston, Tx
http://freeweb.pdq.net/rfruth
1981 Raleigh for commuting, errands & fun
1997 Trek 2300 for real fun !
2000 5 speed Civic hatchback
Rob Fruth - Houston, Tx
http://freeweb.pdq.net/rfruth
1981 Raleigh for commuting, errands & fun
1997 Trek 2300 for real fun !
2000 5 speed Civic hatchback
This is all probably old news to all of you, but Swift is still being sold in Canada.
If we do get a replacement up here, I expect it to be the New Wagon R+. They toured the previous generation up here two years ago, and it got a lot of people looking. They hinted at the time that the new model was a possibility.
As for Metro, theCorsa is believed to be it's replacement. It's a new model as well, and one of GM's biggest sellers in Europe. Pity.
As for me, I'm not an owner, but I did convince mom to buy a Suzuki when they came out in '89. She got 10 years out of that car in the rust belt of Nova Scotia. When it came time to replace it, she went and got a '98 Metro, end of season. She loves it, and I gotta admit, it's not a Ferarri, or as big as a minivan, but it does the job and well at that.
Funny that we are the only country in the world to get the version of Metro that we did. Suzuki did not use this model version anywhere else in the world. And then there was that convertible version being touted about a few years back as well... pity it never came to be. Looked like a lot of fun.
martyn
If they did sell at a loss how could they ever recoup their investment? According to your theory if the Insight or Prius became a wildly popular best seller then Honda & Toyota would lose a whole ton of cash.
Somehow I find this unlikely. The goal of these manufacturers is move to consumers from inexpensive lower profit vehicles to higher priced, higher profit margin vehicles. You want good gas mileage? You're just have to going to pay $20000+ instead of $10000 with a big fat profit margin for Mr. Auto Manufacturer. And the justification for charging you all of that money-HYBRID.
I think CAFE is the whole reason for this bad mileage in small cars thing. They don't have to do better than the 27mpg standard, so why should they? Trucks only have to average what is it 20.5mpg? And they sell enough S-10's, Dakotas, Rangers, and other small trucks to get that beat without cutting into their SUV production.
Metros are only available to fleet buyers this year and will not be available for 2002 according to four different fleet managers, so at least the dealers all have their stories straight. When I wrote a letter complaining to GM, they responded with a form letter recommending the $14,000 Cavalier saying, "it should better suit your needs" while it is heavier, gets poor mileage, and doesn't offer a hatchback or wagon. Go figure. Sure I can get one on sale for $11,000. But why?
I'll be buying used cars for a long time to come, especially if these companies continue to make poor decisions like dropping their only 40mpg car to make room for more bulbous SUV's and mediocre cars.
Anyone have a 1995-97 Metro hatchback with 4-cylinder/5-speed, AC, and tachometer they'd like to sell? I can afford about $2500 assuming the lady's insurance totals my Accent. A 5-speed Swift would be OK, but I would have to add the tach myself as no 95-up Swifts had them.
http://www.chevrolet.com.mx
Click on Autos then another line of text will show up immediately below it and click on Chevy.
It is sold in Mexico already and is basically the Vauxhall/Opel Corsa. The one I saw on the road had Mexico plates and was a "Swing" 5-door hatchback, the way the guy was driving I could tell it was a stick, he kept taking his right hand off the wheel to shift. The site says the Pop Joy model is the basic 3-door Chevy. It has a 1.4L TBI engine with 60hp and 82ft-lbs of torque. It also has skinny 145R13 tires. The Chevy Pop Swing model is the 5-door model, and it has 14% more power, from a 1.6L TBI engine with 78hp and 91ft-lbs of torque. The Chevy Joy and Chevy Swing have a MPFI version of the 1.6L engine with 89hp and 94ft-lbs of torque. They also have more equipment. The Pop designation must mean a value leader model. The Pops come with a 4.29:1 final drive ratio and the regular models have a 4.19:1 final drive ratio. Options include AC, cassette, 100 amp alternator, 55amp/hour battery, alloy wheels, and 175/70R13 or 185/60R14 tires. You can get accessories like a sportier antenna, bike rack, cargo rack, spoiler, SWEET alloy wheels, and an alarm. All models have a 5-speed manual as standard, but I saw nothing about getting an automatic. Which would kill it here. GM would have to offer an automatic so the dealers can stock up on them and sell them as fleet vehicles. And make it that much harder for us real people to get the ones we want. The cars all have 46 liter gas tanks, which translates into about 12 gallons I think. They get 17km/liter. Which I think translates to about 40mpg. This car would be a FINE replacement for the Metro, and I would be happy to buy one. It would be my first new car.
BUT there is a problem. Chevrolet also offers a car called the Monza in Mexico. It is ONLY offered as a 4-door sedan and it already has a 4-speed automatic available with its 1.6L engine. It also has a Pop version with the 1.4 engine and 5-speed manual only. The pictures show an available tachometer #:-), 175/70R13 tires, sweet 3- or 5-spoke or lacy alloy wheels, ground effects, roof rack, spoiler, fog lamps. Who remembers the 1975-1980 Monza, available as a 2-door notchback, 2-door hatchback, or little 2-door wagon? Nothing like this little car.
The way I see it, they are the same car, with different body styles, but the automatic is only available on the 4-door sedan Monza.
I'm not done yet. There is a Chevrolet "Chevy" station wagon, too. It comes with the MPFI 1.6L engine on both base and LS models. Tachometer, cassette player, and 5-speed manual shift appear to be standard. AC is standard on the LS along with a rear wiper. But I saw no mention of automatics as an option.
Anyone remember the Chevy Luv pickup? Still available in Mexico, along with a pickup version of...you guessed it...the Chevrolet "Chevy". It has the same 1.6L MPFI engine as the wagon and Monza, and is only offered with the manual transmission. It kinda looks like a soft updated Dodge Rampage from the rear.
Rob Fruth - Houston, Tx
http://freeweb.pdq.net/rfruth
1981 Raleigh for commuting, errands & fun
1997 Trek 2300 for real fun !
2000 5 speed Civic hatchback
The 1995-2001 Metro and Swift are MUCH tougher cars than the 1989-1994 models. I liked my 1995 LSi hatchback and ran it from 63K up over 110K with no problems. Still running when I got rid of it.
I'm considering the purchase of a used 1998 Swift GL automatic because it is one of the few cars I can get credit for. But I will continue searching for a cheaper 95-96 Metro. I found one off Autotrader.com near Pittsburgh (28 hours away from Dallas) with 180K-plus on it for $995. Wonder if it still runs or if the dealer still has it for sale? It might be worth the trip. Anyone here have a way-high mileage 95-up model to sell? My email is in my profile if you do. Hey new guy, look through all the 300 posts in here, start at the beginning, and you'll see lots of people like these cars. Too bad you can't buy a new Metro anymore and good luck finding a Suzuki dealer with one in stock but if you do, you'll like it!
If you have to drive 750 miles with the A/I blasting and stopping for only gas breaks, would you rather have the 3 or 4 cylinder Ego metro? More to the point, would a 3 cylinder metro over heat or blow up doing that in 90 plus degree heat? My old 1987 4 cylinder carry could do it crazing 90 mph without breaking a sweat.
I have an 8 cylinder D150 truck that I want to sell in order to get a ego metro. I only have the truck cause it was a great deal. I had a toyota carry wagon for the past 12 years. Sold it when it went over 200,000 miles. I miss 4 doors and a hatch! Snip, snip, I loved and miss that car:(
I would get a 1994 metro with the 4 door hatch but I should get a 1996 for more life.
Anyone want a D150 to trade for a Metro:) Somehow I doubt it.
I do that 750 mile trip 6 to 8 time a year.
A Geo Metro to cruze around in the night
I'ts gotta be small and it's gotta be cool
I think a hatch back is otta sight.
I need a Geo
A Geo Metro with a 5 speed at my side
A nice tape deck and all my cassettes
A 96 with low miles outta sight.
I need a GEO!
.....Sorry, I lost it for a bit. I hate my gas guzzler 8 cylinder and I need a Geo! Great things come in small packages and I get my ego from good gas mileage.
By the way, thanks to the folks who post in this forum (esp. frequent contributors) this has become on of the BEST places on the internet for Metro owners to go for info. Keep up the great work!
But it did make a incredible difference in the way the car drives and handles. It is a really blast to drive now and handles sooo much better and is way safer than before. I would recommend this upgrade to any Metro owner, but like I said I would try and find 185/55 HR 14's as my first choice and 185/60 HR 14's as my second. Here is a link to the picture so you can see what it looks like.
http://i5.yimg.com/5/7764e91/h/7f1ee4bd/P4130001.JPG
http://photos.yahoo.com/inuvik_nwt