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VW GTI (All styles)

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  • I agree that Consumer Reports distorts information. If the Consumer Reports stats are based on user reviews, what is the sampling base? There aren't that many GTIs bought in the US each year - how many of these drivers are being polled by Consumer Reports?? 1000? 500?? 10?? 3?! Consumer Reports doesn't say how many people participated. As the sampling base shrinks, the statistical error goes up.

    Consumer Reports also does not define what they consider to be a 'serious problem'. The reader when filling out the survey decides what he/she considers to be serious.

    Here is a pretty good article by some good 'ol boys at allpar:
    http://www.allpar.com/cr.html
  • upndwnupndwn Posts: 44
    I have leased the following:
    1995 VW Cabrio
    1998 Passat 1.8T
    2001 GTI
    2003 Passat 1.8T Wagon

    We have had no significant electrical problems with the 4 cars.

    The GTI had the electric window lifts fail @ 18,000 miles, inconvient, but warranty repaired. Passat Sedan had a fuel pump problem, covered. Passat Wagon had heated seat and fuel pump problems, covered under recall program. Overall, I find the cars to be reliable, but there is wear over 45k and the ride is not as tight at turn in.

    As to MPG, the GTI can get excellent mileage if you use the trip computer and try real hard. But, it is simply too much fun to drive. I accelerate entirely differently in my 2005 A4 1.8T. I actually get 3 MPGs more than the GTI despite > weight and the quattro AWD. But, it is a smoother luxury ride and I just don't have the impulse to hop on it like I did in the GTI.

    And, I missed the POWER. I got a great deal on the last of the small mouth, 1.8T, A4s. My next car, if I was shopping today, would be a 2.0T GLI and the lease would be $50/mos higher than the Audi. I'd miss the AWD, but the car would be approximately the same size and I expect I'd enjoy the additional 10% HP.
  • ashulman727ashulman727 Posts: 21
    I have an 06 GTI w/ Navigation and Sirius.

    There have been 3 instances where all of my Sirius presets have been completely erased and reset. Has anyone else experienced this issue?
  • mpg7mpg7 Posts: 17
    Any reason the fine folks at Edmunds have not updated the GTI in the "New Cars" section? Has anyone seen a 4 dr on dealers lots yet?
  • As a former 2001 GTI owner I can attest to the fact that it was a piece of garbage. Electrical problems (Alarm, Door, Starter), Coils replaced THREE TIMES! I will NEVER buy another VW.
  • 98jettadc98jettadc Posts: 10
    I had a '98 Jetta.. it had alarm problems, door lock problems and the car shorted out about 4 times when I drove through large puddles. Yeah, puddles. I bought a '06 GTI 2 months ago and I'm really, really hoping they've fixed those problems...
  • evergreenevergreen Posts: 208
    I had a Rabbit back in the 70s and never had a problem in 150,000 miles. Then I had an 87 Golf GT, sort of a 4 door GTI. Put 100,000 miles on it without any problems. After about 50k, I kept getting a low compression reading on one of the cylinders but it ran well and ran strong until I sold it in 1994. Had a 97 Passat GLX VR6 wagon and it was a joy to drive. After the warranty ran out, it started having all sorts of electrical problems (ABS system, horn, cruise control, rear window wiper motor, etc.) I think I had nearly 100k miles on it when I decided to sell it. I bought a Suzuki Verona after the Passat in 2004, and if you listen to the whiners and Consumers Reports the Verona is a lemon. I haven't had one problem (knock on wood.) It is probably the smoothest and quietest car I have ever owned. However, I know my wife would love the new GTI when it comes with 4 doors. A red hatchback would suit her just fine. I am sure I would enjoy it too. I can get one for $200 over MSRP in Oregon. Still a little nervous about those electrical problems with the Passat. I may go for it, though, if the "fast" bug bites me hard enough.
  • evergreenevergreen Posts: 208
    Whoops, that's $200 over invoice, not MSRP.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,715
    Business Week posted a letter from a user responding to their article about VW's new advertiser. The user mentioned the usual...major problems with his Jetta and little VW support.

    Meanwhile, WARDS AUTOMOTOVE announced VW has announced the R32 with V6 and around 256 HP will be reappearing on our shores in July 2007. That is the only major VW introduction for 2007.

    Get your checkbooks bulked up...your smiling VW dealer's in heaven with the ADM they'll get for this one!
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,715
    their most recent survey, published today, for 2006, has VW in third place....from the bottom, and with more defects per car than in 2005.

    :lemon:

    maybe in '07 ? :shades:
  • allhorizonallhorizon Posts: 483
    While it would be nice for VW to rank high in J. D. Power, not even BMW achieves this (despite good general reliability ratings). This particular survey values things like "design issues" and "perception of quality" at the same level as actual defects - and all of that in the first 90 days of ownership. New releases (several VWs are not even counted, because they were not out yet) traditionally have a hard time with this survey - both because they introduce new, unknown features, and because they usually have some teething problems that get fixed within the first year.

    OK - I just checked the J.D. Power site - they have no rating yet for the MkV GTI because the model "is too new". From previous reviews, VWs had at most twice as many complaints as the best rated cars. Even that I find acceptable, given what you get in the total package. I guess it depends on your priorities...
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,715
    A pity that one has to choose between drivability and reliability.
  • nissan350znissan350z Posts: 81
    Anyone know if VW going to come out with a 4 door GTI? I heard rumors it would be out in July.
  • priorprior Posts: 2
    I'm considering buying a 2003 GTI w/45000 miles. Took it for a test drive. 3 or 4 times during the drive a humming/buzzing/whirring sound (sorry, hard to describe) would come on for maybe 3 seconds, then stop. Kind of sounded like a small electric motor was running, but it was so random & brief that it was hard to zero in on. The dealer (not a vw dealer) had no idea what it was.
    Also, when we shut the engine off, there was a sound like a fan or something running down. Turbo? Something else? I have no experience with vw or turbos, so this is all new to me.
    Thanks for any help.
  • Yeah, the 4-door GTI is on the way. They should be arriving in late July, I believe is the estimate now. I'm planning on ordering one soon.
  • nissan350znissan350z Posts: 81
    Thanks, I currently have a 350Z and need to get a 4 door car, but still want the cool factor which the GTI has.
  • allhorizonallhorizon Posts: 483
    A pity that one has to choose between driveability and reliability.

    I would phrase it as "... between a great package of luxury, comfort, attention to design detail, performance, and handling --- and a small, but liveable decrease in reliability, on the other hand". YMMV.

    PS:
    Getting close to a combined 250,000 miles on my current two VWs. Only (combined, two-car) problems in the past 80,000 miles: a small oil leak covered under warranty; and a failed windshield wiper motor and wheel bearing that both were fixed for very little money (plus got a free oil change on top). Got a free loaner for the oil leak; the other stuff took little time to fix.
  • gputzgputz Posts: 49
    I see that pulling stuff from thin air is a two-way street. Just because CR publishes data that you don't like or don't agree with doesn't mean it's a lie. I used to subscribe to CR and was polled several times about my cars. It was a very detailed process. They aren't an enthusiast magazine but never claimed to be. If a car rides rough and is noisy, they say so. If it's a performance car it's no less a fact. It's up to you to decide if that's acceptable.

    I once owned a VW GTI and I won't go into the litany of issues I had with that car. But I still liked it when it wasn't making me scream at it, so I understand the dedication to this brand. But you need to stop pretending the world is against poor little VW for no reason. Your experience may be different, but VW earned it's reputation fair and square - by making cars that broke far too often for far too many people. It's not a bias, it's a fact. Even VW's management has said they need to cut warranty related costs by 50% to be competitive! If not for a relatively small core of diehard buyers, they might have left the U.S. market years ago.

    And it's not just CR. Nearly every car mag review of a VW product I've read recently ends with something like "If VW can address their reliability issues..." It's common knowledge.

    VW has been selling cars in the U.S. for a MUCH longer time than a company like Hyundai. Hyundai's early cars were a sad joke in terms of quality and reliability. But with a dedicated focus on making better cars, they have vaulted past VW in a few short years. Why? They build cars that people like, can afford, and recommend to others. Are they as fun to drive? No way. But that wasn't the priority. VW has had ages to build a reputation here and yet they sell a fraction of what Hyundai does. They have no one else to blame - and neither do you.

    I hope VW gets it's act together because they build cars for enthusiasts. I look at every new model. That's why I'm looking in this forum. But even the most dedicated enthusiasts expect basic reliability for more than a short time. Having the flatbed guy on speed dial is something most people won't tolerate - and shouldn't have to. That's why VW is still on the fringe. It's not because of Consumer Reports.
  • gpangpan Posts: 5
    thank you so much for this post. it's really helpful - i'm trying to make my decision on what i want to buy, so i want to get as much information as possible. i really appreciate it!
  • riposteriposte Posts: 160
    I really, really want VW to produce better cars. I think the GTI's very cool, and it would #1 on my list, but for their repair history.

    Here is, withouth a doubt, the best perspective on VW that I've ever read, anywhere.

    Mechanic’s Tale: VW, Heal Thyself
  • vw79type2vw79type2 Posts: 37
    Anyone know how much more VW will be asking for 4-door GTI's over 2-door versions? I would really prefer a 4-door, but I am not willing to pay $2,000 more than a 2-door as is the case with the Rabbit. :confuse:
  • riposteriposte Posts: 160
    I believe I've heard +$500...
  • allhorizonallhorizon Posts: 483
    I really, really want VW to produce better cars. I think the GTI's very cool, and it would #1 on my list, but for their repair history.

    Here is, withouth a doubt, the best perspective on VW that I've ever read, anywhere.

    Mechanics Tale: VW, Heal Thyself


    Luckily, as in politics, nothing good ever comes out of smearing your competition with unfounded, poorly-researched, transparent campaigns --- especially, when the source of money is easily traced.
  • riposteriposte Posts: 160
    Luckily, as in politics, nothing good ever comes out of smearing your competition with unfounded, poorly-researched, transparent campaigns --- especially, when the source of money is easily traced.

    The author of that article is an auto mechanic. If anything, he has more to gain by having more VW's on the road.

    Perhaps I'm missing your point; what, exactly, are you implying? Please be specific.
  • vw79type2vw79type2 Posts: 37
    I don't know why everyone thinks VW's are poor quality. I know plenty of people who drive VW's and none of them have experienced even a vibrating interior panel. If your worried about quality I would tell you to stay away from Ford's, Hyundai's, Subaru's, and any Chrysler product except the Jeep Wrangler. Give me a VW any day.
  • riposteriposte Posts: 160
    "I don't know why everyone thinks VW's are poor quality. "

    Without trying to sound like too much of a wise-guy, I'd say it's because VW has had a lot of problems over the years.

    Do a search for "defective coil pack VW" on Google - you'll get 16,600 hits. Change it to "bad coil pack VW", and you get 83,000 hits.

    Do another search on "broken window lift problem VW" - I get 175,000 hits.

    Scroll up to post 1264, and follow the link "Mechanic’s Tale: VW, Heal Thyself".

    Regarding the other brands you mention, well...this is a VW forum, so I won't comment on them one way or the other.

    :shades:
  • vw79type2vw79type2 Posts: 37
    "Do a search for "defective coil pack VW" on Google - you'll get 16,600 hits. Change it to "bad coil pack VW", and you get 83,000 hits."

    "Do another search on "broken window lift problem VW" - I get 175,000 hits."

    So what does that prove? Type in "Toyota sucks" and you get 680,000 hits. Better yet, type in "Toyota bad transmission" and you get 1,450,000 hits. Type in "bad transmission Toyota" and you get 1,460,000 hits. You know Google picks out any site that has a combination of those words right? In fact, a site doesn't even have to have all the words in the search to show up as a hit.

    Now I'm not one to be blinded by brand loyalty. I tried that once with Dodge and it got me two bad transmissions. VW's problem is they, like all the other automakers, are putting too much gimicky, electronic crap in their cars.

    Plus VW shouldn't be trying to move up-market. The Phaeton, while a supurb automobile and a bargain in it's class, is proof of that.

    But in terms of actual people I know, hands down VW people are the most pleased with their cars and none have experienced problems. So far relying on that type of data has been working for me and I'll stick with it. :shades:
  • riposteriposte Posts: 160
    I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

    Your limited sampling of "actual people I know" probably isn't valid, statistically-speaking. Check Consumer Reports. Check enthusiast websites like VWVortex - even there, you'll see tons of posts on the coil pack and window lift problems.

    I TOTALLY agree with you about the "electronic crap" in cars!

    It's going to be sad, in 10-15 years, that nobody will be able to restore these things, because they won't have all the parts available to make all that stuff work.

    I read an article about a guy with a 2002 Chevy Venture van, who can't get it fixed, because GM can't supply a replacement catalytic converter!!! link title

    Can you imagine how hard it'll be to track down some really obscure part in a few years??

    Re: the Phaeton - I've only seen a few on the road - I saw one last week, as a matter of fact. From what I've read, they're nice, but overweight. VW should never have made them, at least as a VW. Perhaps sold them as Audis?

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  • I don't know where you get your reliability information from. But, VW has been in the pits for years. I have owned VW's and believe me, its true. Hyundai has improved 1000 percent and is rated much better than VW. Subaru is also rated good.
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