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coolhuyky7: No altezza lights. Some Celicas had projector lights also.
Base RSX and celica GT have very little to separate them, except the RSX has a more buzzy engine...someone at my office just bought one, and you can hear her start up her car all the way across the parking lot, there is so much valvetrain noise...
As for the 10% more horsepower in the RSX, yes it has that, and 10% more weight as well!
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-vero "Integra" zahl
It sounds SO SWEET above 4000! But the difference is, at 'round-town speeds, it doesn't sound like a 15-year-old volvo! :-)
Besides, we are not talking integra here, we are talking base RSX. I don't think the integras made this much noise at idle.
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Hope they put a 2-liter back in it though. They need to figure out a way to give this car 20% more torque/power without increasing the weight!
The flip side of that coin is Honda needs to keep the current powertrain in the RSX but lop off about 200 pounds from the current car.
And OF COURSE, both of them should do this without increasing the price!! LOL :-)
...oh yeah, and I would LOVE to see a new RSX type R sold here! Something with around 230 hp. I would shell out for that and upgrade.
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Given that most people who buy the car will not have the opportunity to autocross it, or head to the racetrack on weekends, I think the most on-point criticism of the GTS is the fact that most of the power gain comes at 6000-7600 rpm, which is pretty darn hard to achieve or use in daily driving. That is why I bought a GT instead. You get almost the same magic handling, braking and steering (only difference in this department is slightly larger rims and lower-profile tires), and a powertrain that has more useable torque and plenty of pep at 'round-town speeds.
Not to mention saving $4K!! LOL
I think celica's dropping sales reflect the fact that it is more of a purpose-built sport coupe than a sporty cruiser, which would be more comfortable and feel less bare-bones, but I believe would perform worse due to increased weight and expense, etc.
RSX probably hits much closer to the middle of the target audience for this type of car, and the only reason I did not buy one was that I was instantly enchanted with the low weight and amazing handling of the celica. 9500 miles now, and no regrets!
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If we assume the usual 5 year cycle, a new Celica should be expected 2005.
Every pure performer---a car owning handling, steering, brakes, and weight---is going to be neglecting many other tangibles. No one should be upset about the review, but expect it. And don't get upset that these are reasons why the general public will shy away from the car. Those are the same people that envy the look, and comment on it every day to me
And I agree with above post - it is unlikely that Toyota will bring in an all-new '04, since it has gone to the trouble of doing the "freshening" for '03, which it usually allows to run for the last two years of the cycle.
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I have read somewhere that Toyota planned to restyle the Celica after 4 years (rather than the usual 5) so that it's styling can stay fresh in this competitive segment. Can anyone else confirm this?
Anyway, whether Toyota decides to change the Celica in 2004 or 2005, I hope they don't make the same styling mistake like Acura did in the RSX--that is one godawful looking vehicle. I don't know what Honda/Acura was thinking. First they mess up and deep six the Prelude, then they mess up and discontinue the Intergra legacy.
Honda-Acura's Civic and Integra/RSX designs are questionable, to say the least. And dropping the Prelude? criminal!
Even Toyota, as dull as it is, could NEVER make a car as dull-looking as the new RSX...but I have found one other car that looks a lot like that RSX now - the new Aerio. Almost identical! With just a bit of the Civic SI's minivan look thrown in...
Toyota, if you are listening, please remember to give us another 30 lb-ft of torque, or else make that first gear a little less tall!
Honda, if you are listening, abandon the new RSX and start producing the Integra again, and bring back the type R too!
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As for RSX:Aerio comparison, don't worry, I'll find some tar and feathers that will fit you nicely.
If anyone's interested in finding an old Toyota, such as a 1984 Celica-Supra, Ann Arbor Subaru has one sitting on their lot for sale...
... because we all know Toyota can't handle the task of styling these days! oh so hard.
But I think Honda did an even worse job of "styling these days" with the RSX and the god awful 2003 Accord (not part of the topic but I can see how the RSX was born). But I'm sure I will become numb to them in time after having to see the majority of the population driving them. Sigh.
I'm happy that you will be saving money with the economy sized tar and feathers because you're going to need it if you start a styling war and are trying to defend Honda, King of the Bland!
I think my 2000 Celica has distinct Ferrari-like styling. EVERYONE comments on it, and how "cool" it is!
purchasing a Celica GT. He has just gotten the loan together and the credit
union has taken his downpayment and the insurance is in order. The car
itself will be shipped soon, he hasnt driven it because it's coming from another
island. Anyway, neither he nor I have any doubts that the Celica is a good
car and is what he wants. But I have a lingering concern about roominess.
He is 6'1" and about 175 lbs. Will he be fitting ok into the driver's seat? I
just remember riding in a Mazda sportscar (RX7?) about 15 years ago
and I couldnt even sit up straight. This wont happen with the Celica,
and my friend, I hope??
One reason I sold mine...
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(2) Celica has more trunk space but less cockpit space than RSX. As far as performance, I have only driven the auto in the celica, but it is a lot slower than the celica manual, so unless RSX has the same problem, I assume the RSX auto would be faster. Celica is the leader for handling and braking.
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All the GE heads are interference design
FE heads are non-interference
I will amend: Toyota makes very few interference engines.
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BTW, I went on the Gates site, and the only Toyota listed of all the Toyotas they have on there back to the mid-80's that is an interference engine with a timing belt is the most recent Tundra engine.
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Did you guys see the Edmund's Videos?
"2001-2002 Sport Coupe Comparison Video Reviews"
WOW, me like!
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nippononly: they use Dunlops Sport 4000 on GT, complete junk - the front ones lasted ~20K. Now I have 34K and close to 3 years - the rear tires developed cracks running all along the groves. Besides they were always extremelly noisy. No matter what you do those tires do not last long.
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2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)