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Saab 9-5 Wagon

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  • bcoolbcool Posts: 59
    Did it have the 8 way adjustable seats? Tilt the seat back. The front should lift up to give you all of the support you need. I'm 6' 2", and find the seats in my Aero Wagon real comfortable.
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,500
    I agree with previous comments about their product line. 9-5 Looks today like it is 10 years old before it leaves the showroom. Outside, inside, and under the hood, especially the latter. I read somewhere that in 20 years or so about half of vehicles will have some version of AWD. Perhaps overblown, but in the "upscale" market (however you want to define it) AWD will be king very soon. Similar with engines: who cares if power output from 4 cylinders is the same: 6 or 8 always sound better (and it really does have better "culture of work"), same for 5-speed vs 6 or 7 speed transmission (or CVT). It is marketing, as it was with AMD vs Intel processor speed (AMD 1 GHz was faster than Intel 1.2, but nobody listened). Insisting on solutions that were new 25 years ago, decent 10 years ago and pretending that nothing changed is not going to get the anywhere.

    The pricing is also big issue. I see this practice of high list and high incentives/rebates serving dealers only (it gives them more potential play room), perhaps not even them. Everybody else loses. Uninformed customer does not even know that they can get 3 or even 6 large discount, so they don't even bother checking. Informed customer laughes at the sticker.

    New 9-2X is a perfect example: first messed up the product that had great potential (just see sales of Impreza/WRX in previous years); instead of really reworking it and getting something really significant inside (like "Swedish" interior, negotiate Sti engine for Aero trim, etc.), they just changed sheet metal (nicely, I may admit) and slapped the badge. Then they slapped totally ridiculous price premium (esp.on Linear trim, but also for Aero) for virtually no other value than new sheet metal and badge. Result? Now I read reports of selling prices being close or even below the original. They ended up hurting themselves and Subaru as well.

    As much as I find Saab's styling or interior compelling, not knowing the real price is a major annoyance. Not to mention those poor folks who would buy sticker in the first month of the model just to learn about the incentive few months later...

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • fmartifmarti Posts: 2
    We're looking at the 9-5 Arc wagon, automatic.
    What is the real world fuel economy for these vehicles?
    Thanks,
    Felix
  • I Purchased a 2001 9-5 Turbo wagon approx. four months ago. Ex lease car with 54K miles and fairly complete dealer service records (appears well maintained). After putting 3500 miles on the car, I noticed what I thought was a a tire separation problem or a wheel bearing noise. Trans shifts and operates perfectly. The bearing noise is slowly getting louder (still sounds like a wheel bearing-whump-whump?). Took it to a Brake and Tire specialist and was told it was in the transmission. Then went to a local independent Swedish car specialist and was told the same thing. Anyone out there with a similar problem?
  • saaboysaaboy Posts: 23
    Hey hoseman,

    I think i might be encountering the same problem. Do you get it at certain RPM? I get a sound around 2,000 RPM which is also supposedly from my transmission.
  • The noise I'm hearing is at any road speed from 30 MPH on up. Noise frequency seems to be related to road speed. The 4 mechanics that have looked at the car aren't sure of the exact location, (not right side or left but center. Trans but possibly differential? Sort of sounds like a weather forecast!! The Saab is now at the Saab dealer for a diagnosis. Enough of the sideshow - the circus begins!
  • I thought I'd never use "Good News" and Saab in the same sentence but here it is. Took the car to the Saab dealer for diagnosis of what I was told was a transmission bearing failure. Turns out that my own original diagnosis was correct (wheel bearing). In and out of the dealership in one day ($297.88). I guess it pays to get a second opinion. Unless it's a Saab, then you may need four to six!
  • Perhaps I am totally unique to this opinion, but since my husband purchased his 9-5 in 2004, the memory settings on the mirrors have not worked properly. After no less than 4 visits to our dealership, we got the passenger's side mirror to recognize the 2nd setting. Still no movement in the driver's side mirror when changing from driver 1 setting to driver 2. Finally, the service rep conferred with a mechanic with puzzled looks and the owner's manual out, and told me, "Eureka! your problem is solved!" Seems the driver's door must be open (not a crack but quite open) to make the mirror move to the 2nd setting. I asked the service manager, "Is it me or does this sound counter-intuitive?". On the occasion that I get to drive my spouse's car, I would like to sit down, press 2 and have my seats and mirrors conduct themselves to my personal settings. I WOULD NOT LIKE to have to keep my door ajar while this takes place. I WOULD LIKE to see the mirror setting itself so I can see if it is correctly placed. He explained to me that the logic for having the door open is that after one driver's is finished using the vehicle, he/she would have the courtesy to change the seat settings as a courtesy for the next driver as he EXITS the car, i.e. with the door open!

    Please, someone enlighten me. :confuse: :confuse:
  • bcoolbcool Posts: 59
    I have an '04 Aero wagon automatic and get 21.0 avg. Lots of stop and go on the LA Fwys. Road trips average about 24.0 - maybe more.
  • cboy3cboy3 Posts: 5
    Thinking of buying a new wagon, and wondering if I could get some feedback on Trim level...is the Aero worth the extra money? Any other options that that you wish you didn't get or wish you did get? Any and all feedback on the decision is appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Chris
  • nelsoncmnelsoncm Posts: 103
    My '02 arc v6 gets about 17.5 city and up to 29 freeway on the road out to Palm Springs. Very respectable. FYI, I just changed out my original Michelin Energy tires for some new Kelly Platnium tires. What a difference in ride quality! Granted, my old tires were darn near bare, but the Kellys really add some nice cushion to the ride. I've always been annoyed by how much I feel and hear the road in my Saab (from the day I bought it) and these new tires are really nice and quiet.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,693
    we had an '01 9-5, but turned it in in march of '04.
    my 'memory' might be kind of fuzzy, but aren't the memory seat controls actually on the seat?
    what i would do, is after someone drives your car, press your memory button before you get in(with the door open). if they reset it for you, you are all set. otherwise the it will adjust for you. does this help?
  • aeroaero Posts: 1
    I just bought a SAAB 95 sport wagon AERO. Is this necessary to use the premium gas? :confuse:
  • smu1976smu1976 Posts: 110
    Yes, it hurts but your gas mileage will be better with the premium gas, so the extra cost is often a wash. Also with the Aero, I would give that engine the premium fuel to keep your chance of any pinging to a minimum. I Have a Toyota Avalon also, same deal, Honda S2000, again same deal.
  • hi,

    as an engineer I would think the use of higher than 87 octane would be a complete waste of money...unless a) you have to drive up gigantic hills everyday or b) drive like you are in a race constantly...I believe the aero has a slightly higher pressure turbo than the linear so the fuel may tend to ignite "earlier", this is the knock referred to as a ping...this can be corrected in 99% of all engines requiring premium by simply accelerating softer...also fyi nearly every computer controlled ignition system sold on the market today has a knock or "ping" sensor mounted on the engine block, when preignition is detected the DI module retards the spark to prevent early ignition...what all this means is you have to try really hard to get your car to knock...the difference in power & hence mpg of 93 over 87 is at best 2 to 3%...I run 87 in my linear and have never had a problem

    good luck,

    Tony
  • saablcpsaablcp Posts: 195
    As a SAAB sales representative I find it helpful to try and keep a reference library
    addressing many of the questions that my customers raise.As to the effect on performance of regular vs. premium fuel on the 9-5 Aero,the effect is significantly greater than you propose.An article in Car and Driver in 2001 dyno tested the Aero using premium and regular fuels.The Trionic engine management system dialed down the power by 9.8%,almost 25 H.P.on an '05 model,performance at the track(acceleration tests) was down 10.1%. Your Linear does not require premium to deliver peak performance,any Aero will run fine but at a noticeably reduced level of performance.
  • smu1976smu1976 Posts: 110
    Saab is coming back with another six, at least I know its coming in the 9-3 combi wagon. Not the same engine as the 9-5 SE/ARC V6. Not sure if its going to be in the 06 9-5 which looks great before the major overhaul of the model. Saabs always go with a model for 8-10 years, I don't know why people [non-permissible content removed] about this.

    I had a new 99 9-5 SE V6, best car ever, less problems than the 04 Avalon I replaced it with. Yes, Saab had less problems than an Avalon. Better gas mileage also.

    Now I am buying my 4th Saab (Aero Wagon) to replace a Suburban. I don't know why everyone freaks with a 4 banger with Saab. They are bullet proof engine's and if you didn't lift the hood, you would think you had a 6 or small 8. Whats wrong with 30mpg on the highway with a car as large as a 9-5? Perfect high gas car IMO. People who complain about Saabs 4 cyl, don't know Saabs or have driven them. Look on ebay, look at the 4 cyl Saabs with over 100K miles, pretty good. Saab is not BMW or Mercedes, but hey, we didn't pay that price. For a low 30K car, its a good safe, "different from the crowd" car.
  • Hello all,
    I have a final price of $32,025 for 2005 Parchment silver Aero Wagon. It has approximately 5500 miles (a demo-but still new car financing) and has Executive package and Sentronic auto. Is this a good price on a Aero wagon? Tax will be another $2000 or so OTD price would be $34,285 here in Texas. Even though it's a 2005, 2006 remodels will arrive at the dealership soon. Dealership is giving me over $12,000 in discounts, but I think I could pull even better price if I could wait just a bit longer...Also, is Parchment silver a popular color? I could live with the color, but I am concerned in a long run if I ever have to trade this car.

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.
  • I am buying a 2006 BMW 325 and trading my 2004 SAAB Arc Wagon. SAAB has 10,000 totally trouble free miles, I get 18-32mpg on Hi Test. I am selling only because I want a sportier, smaller more-driver oriented car. My buying experience at SAAB was so rotten that I will never again consider buying one. Dealer lied, weaseled and even at delivery handed me documents that were $500. off (in his favor). I wrote to SAAB and got some satisfaction, but friends have had similar bad experiences with other local SAAB dealers. Service has been superb.
  • I have a 2004 BMW 325 and a 2005 9-5 Sportwagon. We (my wife and I) never drive the BMW anymore except to commute. The ride is AWFUL and the seats are very hard. BMW does make a very solid car. I have had no mechanical problems with the BMW. The only really annoying thing about the BMW is that the front windows creak while driving. Oh, and the paint discolors and chips easily. Oh, and it is really, really slow at only 184 hp (The power band is set between 70 and 90 mph and I don't get to drive it that fast very often). But I have had the BMW for over two years and 28,000 miles, and I just have 12,000 miles on the Saab. Right now the Saab just seems like a much better purchase than the BMW was, and I am kicking myself because they were sold at within $1000 of each other in price.
  • ort11ort11 Posts: 4
    Hi: I read the first few notes and did not read the next 900, so here are my 2 cents worth.

    1) The 9000 v6 GM engines requierd a timing belt change every 30k. Believe me, I had one and yes, the belt failed inbetween changes = pretty blady damaged engine.

    2) The 9-5 v6 recommends changes every 60k, and they are not 100% free changes. I think they cover the belt itself. There is also some rumors about issues with the timing belt idler pullys, etc. that dealers try and get you to do and then add on big dollars.

    Being an avid Saab owner, I will NEVER purchase a GM v6 engine in a Saab again. The v4's are PLENTY and I wish now that I would not have purchased a v6 2001 9-5 wagon. I might sell it and find a used v4.

    Don't get me started on the envoy platform for the Saab SUVs (why oh wy aab SUVs?).

    Thanks
  • geojoegeojoe Posts: 2
    My Saab 9-5, year 2000 has amind of it's own exactly like the Saab owner in Saab message no. 1968. After driving for a while then turning off the motor, it randomly will not start for about 15 or more minutes. Then when its ready it starts. The Saab dealer says when you have the problem, bring it in...duh! Any help out there?
  • As a recent buyer of a 2001 9-5SE wagon with 47000 miles, I noticed there appear to be heating elements on each of the two rear quarter windows. Do those supposedly operate when the rear window defroster is acivated or are there separate controls? Also, what activates the wipers on the headlights? Any help would be greatly appreciated. BTW, I love the car so far. Great in the snow and comfortable.
  • stmssstmss Posts: 206
    Don't know about the window defrosters, suspect they would be on the same control. The headlight wipers are activated with front windshield washer (ie assumes the headlights are dirty when the windshield is - likely good assumption)
  • I had the same car, same problem....I recently traded it in frustration.

    Eventually car would not restart - ignition cassette burned up - this is a pending recall from Saab, supposedly later in 06, so if it happens to you get Saab to pay for it ($500)as I did.
    Then it happened again - shop found ignition sensor was bad - replaced ($300) on me.
    Then reason it went bad was a coolant leak damaged the sensor.....I got rid of the car....good luck.
  • zoozeekzoozeek Posts: 32
    I have a 2005 9-5 Arc Wagon and am utterly confused by the owner's manual as well as several "Saab service advisors" from different dealerships regarding proper tire pressure. The manual first states, "Look on driver's door jam," which lists 42/39 psi front rear; then the manual lists 33/32 psi for light load and 36/35 psi for heavy load on the last page. One advisor recommends 36 all around, another recommends 42 all around, and a third said to read the owner's manual. What's the correct pressure?
  • joeshanjoeshan Posts: 70
    NEVER exceed the maximum pressure as listed on the sidewalls of the tires themselve. 42 all around? They'd probably blow up in the summertime.
  • I have a 2003 9-5 Aero wagon. I put 40psi in all around
  • nelsoncmnelsoncm Posts: 103
    I personally keep my arc wagon at 35psi up front, and around 32psi in the back. whenever I'm at the dealer, they push it up to around 40psi. It drives much harsher then, and in the summer, that would be too much pressure in hot weather. I drive with pretty light loads in mostly city driving.
  • goa2bgoa2b Posts: 1
    Purchased Bridgestone all season tires fall '05, disappointed with performance on snow,slush and winter conditions. First winter as SAAB owner-is it common to use winter tires or all season? What brand recommended and sizing? Tire rack recmnds Michelin X-Ice any experience to share appreciated. Wagon is 2001 9-5 SE 3.0t FWD.
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