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Rather than try and get personal and insulting in a post, just make a point and be on your way. Don't read 3 kids when it say 2 and all the other parts of my first reply to you that you seem to have missed. I guess in a perfect world we would all have loads of money and live in huge houses on reclusive Islands and spend our days on the computer typing away......
My wife was waiting to turn left across three lanes of opposing traffic. Opposing traffic was stopped for a light and had left a space for cars to turn left in front of them. The driver of a truck waiting in the middle lane waved my wife through, and she go nailed by a van.
Our insurance company says the frame's definitely bent, but it's too close to call whether they'll total the car or fix it. They'll take a second, closer look at the car up on a rack next week (I'm having it towed to my Volvo dealer) and make a determination at that time.
I'm not sure what I want to do. We love the car, and it is exactly what we want to be driving right now, but I fear permanent ill effects from the crash, even if it is expertly repaired...plus the depreciation hit I'll suffer come trade-in time (whenever that might be). This is a first for my wife and I, as neither of us has ever had an accident before, so I'm not sure what to do.
Oh yeah...while getting new tires last weekend (see below), I noticed that the rear springs don't match. The driver side is green and the passenger side is black. I looked because I had previously noticed that the passenger side sits maybe 1/2" higher than the driver side. I never really thought much of it until I checked out the springs last weekend. Since we got the car CPO, I'm now wondering if it has been through a previous, unreported accident...
Any thoughts?
P.S. I put brand new Bridgestone Turanza LS-T tires on our V70 last weekend and they simply transformed the car. If you don't mind sacrificing a couple tenths off the skidpad, these tires are the smoothest, quietest tires I have ever owned. If we end up with a new V70 with 15" wheels, I'll be keeping these tires!
Since the airbag deployed the frame is definitely bent.
I've seen them repair worse however. A competent bodyshop should be able to make the car good as new.
If you keep the car I'd go after the other guys ins co. for diminished value on your car.
lancerfixer - I haven't driven the Turanza's in rain or snow yet, so I can't really comment. I researched them at the Tire Rack's web site where, based on thousands of surveyed respondants, they were the top performing tire in their class for wet and dry traction, hydro resistance and snow traction.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?typ- e=ST
I hope I get a chance to find out for myself...
Ask Connor at The Tire Rack
Based on the photo, I'd say the estimate should be between $7-10,000. Could be as high as $12,000 if there is more hidden damage.
I don't know if your insurance co. will total the car based on those dollar amounts.
And fedlawman, sorry about the accident, but based on the pics, I doubt the damage is sufficient for write-off.
I'm just wondering if anyone with a current vintage V70 AWD or XC70 has directly compared it with the Passat V6 4motion and could offer some comparative comments?
He mentioned something about the car's electronics being located in the engine compartment (OBD?), and that since the box was damaged, it would be difficult to repair. That plus the dashboard, airbag, frame, sheetmetal, etc.
I guess I'll be back on the internet this weekend looking for another perfect CPO V70...
Thanks all for your advice and comments.
The ECU and Tranny computers are located in the RF fender area.
There's no where in the cabin to put boxes that big.
The ecu's are about the size of a hardcover book, maybe a tad smaller.
Plus, since they control the engine/tranny the wiring is there.
The are far enough back that in a normal frontal accident they are protected.
In a front-side hit like feds there is some vulnerability.
The ecu's are only $1000 each. There must have been alot more damage than we suspected the feds wagon. Lucky for him.
I'm so relieved that I'm not going to come up short.
Now I need to find a replacement.
My salesman just got a 2001 V70 2.4T ASR with Premium, Climate, and Touring Packages. It's a local car sold and serviced by them for the past three years, and then returned at lease end. It's got 39,900 miles on it and they said they'd install the 3rd row seat and sell it to me for $24,250. I was thinking $23,500 would be a fair offer.
What do you think Volvomax?
BTW, Volvo's incentives are tempting me to take the plunge on a new V70 with all the packages. With $4000 down, free Premium Package, $750 dealer cash, and 1.9% financing, that would make a 2004 about $120/mo more than the CPO I'm considering.
I keep remembering how tight and smooth that '04 loaner I got was compared to my '01...
However, you can't combine the APR w/ the free Prem pkg or the $750.
I would take the $$$ and get a regular loan.
If your an A+ tier you should be able to get under 4% for up to 60 mos.
I'm assuming the 01 is certified as well.
If so thats a fair price.
I actually went and checked out the '01 today. Unfortunately, it didn't have traction control...which is a deal breaker for us. They were also very firm on their asking price of $24,250. I was, however, very impressed with the extra power and the ride also seemed smoother and tighter than my '01 non-turbo. Do the turbo models have some magic that makes them ride better?
So basically, I'm totally confused about which way I want to go. I can rationalize anything from buying a CPO V70 all the way up to leasing a brand new XC70...just depends on how much I want to spend. I'm going to crunch some numbers, do some soul searching, and make my decision.
Thanks again for your wisdom.
Brian
Oh, I'm sorry, was that out loud...?
:-)
I would take a close look at leasing an XC70, pretty good programs out there now.
As we were heading home from a dealership with two cruddy wagons (I don't know how they passed certification), we stopped by one more dealership close to home. It was past closing time so I figured we could just walk the lot and look at the cars.
Of course, we were greeted by a salesperson within a few minutes and the talks began. They had an '04 V70 (non-turbo) platinum green with taupe interior (our favourite combination) with Premium, Climate, and 16" Mimus wheels. We settled on a price $150 over invoice, deducted $2575 for the free premium package, and added $1200 for the 3rd row seat installation. Bottom line - $31,150.
Although there was an '01 moondust 2.4T that we could have gotten for about $24,000, I figured $7,000 was a good price to pay for a brand new car with 37,900 fewer miles on the odometer...in a color we actually like (love).
The '04 drives so much nicer than our 2001 did...it's tight and rattle free, has so much better road isolation and heavier, more solid steering feel. It is also equipped exactly the way we wanted (don't tell my wife I love the upgraded wheels). Thanks again for all the advice and support!
P.S. I actually looked into leasing the XC70 and almost took the plunge (the rates are very attractive). In the end though, we knew we planned to keep the car for a long time, and we decided we didn't really need AWD. Purchasing the V70 with the free premium package discount was the way to go for us.
Mostly, I think the difference in ride can be attributed to the worn Michelin Energy tires my '01 had when we bought it. It suffered from noise on textured pavement, and impacts such as bridge expansion strips felt relatively sharp through the car compared to the '04.
When I put new tires on the '01, the ride was significantly improved, though still not as tight as the new car. The '01 steering also felt more boosted, which resulted in a less connected feeling to the road in comparison to the '04.
Also, the '01 was a used car with almost 30,000 miles. The suspension was not as buttoned down as a new car, and I suspect the shocks were past their half-life.
Finally, I don't know if this is true, but I was told that Volvo retuned the suspension in '03, and the newer cars have a better ride as a result.
There is no doubt though. To my well-tuned seat of the pants, the '04 ride is better than every CPO V70 I drove...in every way. It's smoother, quieter, tighter, and firmer, yet the car has better road feel, and more confident cornering with less roll. Is there some psychology involved in being behind the wheel of a new car with a clean interior and new-car smell? Probably, but who cares. There is a qualitative difference, and I appreciate it.
Bushing design was changed for 03 I believe.
Also, How do you think your wife would have made out had she been driving something else?
Glad to hear you found a deal that worked for you.
Drive it in good health!
bodble2 - Definitely wasn't me. The only thing I was unhappy about was losing the car.
John
For 3 grand it's a no brainer for me.
The manual is not available on the XC models. Only the V70 2.4 and T5
and front passenger areas feel a bit more cramped following
the redesign. you should drive both - you'll notice a difference.
mike
Larger and more capable, much better off roader, better ergonomics.
Manuals were never available for the XC's.
CR is pathetic as far as I'm concerned.
They recommend some junk and pass on some fine cars, not just Volvo. Their methodology is highly suspect IMHO.
Went from Magnetti Marelli to Bosch.
Emphasis on better low end response for the American market.
2002 V70 same as the 01 except for the throttle upgrade.
1)They have way too long a delay from hitting the lock/unlock button. You frequently try to open the door just as it's unlocking. It should be instant
2)You cannot unlock the tailgate with the door unlock button with the car started, in park. Our son was sitting in the third row seat and he needed something so we stopped, put it in park, and went to the back. The rear hatch wouldn't open. Click unlock. Not unlocked. Hit the 'hatch unlock' button on the key fob in the ignition. Won't unlock. Had to stop the car. Take the key out and to the back to unlock it.
You see, embarassing as it is to tell this tale (and one reason why I didn't), one week after my wife totaled our (her) V70, she was driving home from the gym in our (my) Acura TSX and was hit by a red-light runner.
The repair bill comes to $4000 and includes new wheel, suspension components, plastic bodywork, and refinishing. The other driver's insurance is paying all the repair bills and rental car fees, but when I asked the adjuster about diminished value today, he simply said, "oh, we don't pay that."
The car is supposed to be ready by the end of the week, so I did a little research on the internet and learned that "diminished value" is a very touchy subject, but that as an innocent 3rd party, I am entitled to it IF I CAN PROVE IT.
Do you have any experience or knowledge of how I should proceed?
I very much appreciate your feedback...
Brian
I was hit by a tire that came off another car last year. My 98 Accord suffered around $8,000 in damage by the time it was all said and done. One thing they had to replace was the exhaust system. The adjuster from the other company tried to charge me for part of the exhaust because they felt they had to improve the vehicle.
Thanks!!!
In order to prove diminished value you would have to have a certified appraiser or a car dealer give you a value on your car based on it having been hit and then repaired vs what that car would bring in pristine undamaged condition.
Since you were hit thru no fault of your own you may be entitled to this. I know that Ins co's hate this and do try to fight it. Good luck!
I agreed that as long as I don't have to sign a waiver of my rights when I pick up my vehicle, I would accept his position and take a "wait and see" approach.
BTW, it did happen in three's. A week before the V70 was wrecked, I was sitting inside Baskin Robbins with my kids and saw a delivery man open his van door and whack the passenger side of the TSX...to the tune of almost $1000 to repair the dent. He glanced around as though nothing had happened and started climbing in the driver seat to leave. You should have seen the look on his face when he glanced in my direction and saw me glaring at him, then stand up and start walking towards him.
I pick up the Acura tomorrow...
Rather than dip into the wallet for another $700 to add a new power booster, I test drove an '02 V70. I was surprised that the brakes felt VERY similar.
I have owned a '65 122, '69 142, '85 740 and 240, and a '95 850 T 5. None of the brakes on these cars felt ANYTHING like the '01 V70 brakes that I've got now.
Can anyone comment on this issue, and potential need to repair? My local mechanic told a tale yesterday of a customer of his with an '01 V70 XC who had the new power booster and master cylinder put in and it didn't make any difference!
Thanks for your feedback.