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No, you got a perfectly valid response about out of warranty...by two years!
There is a reason warranties are 4/years OR 50K miles.
Thank you all,
Joa
The XC70 is a nice-looking wagon, but I have a feeling the new Outback will give it a good run for its money.
Do you know if the V70R will be in more limited supply than last year?
Also, the '04 I drove is a red 6-speed that the dealer has had for some time. They say they will deal. The msrp is 42,500. Any guess as to how much room there is to bargain? Maybe I shouldn't wait if I can get this one for a fair price.
Thanks again.
Do you know if the V70R will be in more limited supply than last year?
Also, the '04 I drove is a red 6-speed that the dealer has had for some time. They say they will deal. The msrp is 42,500. Any guess as to how much room there is to bargain? Maybe I shouldn't wait if I can get this one for a fair price.
Thanks again.
1000 units would be alot IMHO.
I believe thats how many were built for 2004.
Right now you can get a free Premium pkg on the V70R. Value $1715, plus whatever discount you can work out.
lancer,
Wow, the S90!
That takes me back a long way. I had just started selling Volvo's the last year the S90 was available.
What I liked about the car:
Turning radius
Ride
seats, better than the S70
What I didn't like:
style
handling
back seat
ergonomics
All in all the S90 was a nice car, but obsolete.
The S70 was a better car. the S90 being a warmed over 740/760.
The S90 was a great buy however, at the end of the run we had big rebates on the car. You could buy a loaded S90 for under $30k. All the old school Volvo people were lined up to buy them.
In many cases, the S90 was the last car we sold them. Most of the old school Volvo geeks don't like the new cars.
Thanks for your help.
rg
Just get used to the valve clatter from the I6.
V70 in snow,
If you get the T5 you'll proably need snow tires.
Most T5's came with high performance summer tires.
AWD is very nice, but rare. Most of the production went to the Cross Country which is what I would recommend.
More versatile car, fold down seats for example.
Dual zone climate control.
More rear seat room.
Better safety, newer chassis design.
The V70 is no doubt very stylish (I like it too), but I think the Outback will offer more performance, reliability, and value.
I think the new Outback/Legacy may be the car that puts Subaru on the map as a serious mainstream contender, rather than just a niche player.
Btw, I have a 2000 V70XC which I bought in October. It has been nothing but a huge headache. I cannot wait to get it off my hands.
98 was the best year for the S70 GLT.
The steering was more exact than the 99.
Plus, you had the better tranny, with the programmable Sport and Economy modes.
Car was a full second faster than the 99 or 2000 models.
My wife loves the car (though the engine is really showing its wear). The seats are exceptionally comfortable and supportive. It handles well and has plenty of room. With the 2001 model change, they look even better, and I believe they got a strengthened frame.
However, in my opinion, Volvos tend to be way overpriced for what you get. Maybe the V50 will begin to change that. I hope so, because I do admire the way Volvo pays more than skin-deep attention to safety. It is in things like the head restraints and power window switches, not just the number of airbags.
Today, 4-5 years later, we could get a new 2004 Passat GLS Wagon with diesel engine, pay about MSRP, and still be under under $27K.
This includes many features our Volvo does not have: automatic trans, sun roof, heated mirrors/washers/seats, roof rack, head curtain airbags, electronic stabilization program, as well as a diesel engine. Fuel economy is about 10 mpg better than our V70's, and the engine seems more powerful. This is for a nice-looking, comfortable car that has excellent safety features and build quality, and gets excellent reviews.
Now, I still don't think the Passat's seats are quite as comfortable (or as well designed for safety) as our Volvo's. My wife found it a little harder to steer. Rear leg room might be a tad less. But overall, the Passat seems a much better value.
I guess what I was trying to say in my original post #1212 was that Volvo probably think of themselves in the same level as Audi, MB, etc. and as such, their prices are in line. BUT, IMO, the public perception of Volvo, in terms of brand prestige, is at a lower level. Therefore, there are many people who, like you, think Volvos are somewhat overpriced.
According to edmunds.com, the Passat GLS with leather/wood package invoices at about $25,500.
I'm not sure about VW incentives, but Volvo is currently offering the "premium package" for free on the V70. That means a V70 with premium package (leather, moonroof, power seat, auto climate control, wood trim) and auto transmission invoices at about $28,500.
Although it's still $3000 more than the VW, I think that the V70 is a lot more car than the Passat. With current incentives, the V70 is an outstanding value.
We have a 2.4L V70 with manual transmission. The Passat TDI I've test-driven, with Tiptronic (automanual) transmission and stability control, seems to get a lot more power from all the torque in that diesel engine. It also gets about 10 mpg better fuel economy. Just in terms of the drive train, I'd say it's more car than the V70, for less money.
But we still prefer the V70 interior, with or without the premium package.
I think the seats are much more comfortable. So we would probably buy another V70 over the Passat. My wife definitely would.
At about 10.5 secs to 60MPH, it's pretty quick for a diesel, and given all that low-end grunt, it probably feels a lot quicker than it actually is.
It's too bad diesel powered cars have such a negative image here in the US. I hope that VW and Mercedes can eventually change the way Americans think about diesel power.
A V70 with diesel engine would be wonderful.
If Volvo offered that, and kept the price within a few thousand of the Passat TDI, I probably would not even be looking at Volkswagen.
Great boxer engine (with or without turbo)
AWD
Good looking inside and out
Japanese reliability
Yes, and the good thing for us drivers who aren't so fond of body cladding is that you can get a much better deal on a regular V70 When I bought my T5 in 2001 the discounts and lease rate were absolutely fantastic. Give me the extra horsepower and beautiful 17" wheels over AWD and SUV looks anyday!
This evening I was driving around, went for the highbeams,
and found they would not stay engaged. I had to HOLD them on. But after parking the car and starting it up again, they seem to work just fine. There is nothing about the stalk that feels loose or otherwise defective. Am I dealing with a service problem, or is there something about the headlight operation that I have not understood?
I'll keep observing it to see if it's an intermittent fault, or controlled by the position of the hl switch. The sales rep had recommended we always leave the hl switch in the full on position, but old habits die hard.
What features did you end up getting?
In the past I never would have wanted that feature, but now that I have it I'm liking it, and pleased by the fact it supposedly does not sacrifice fuel economy.
This car was a service loaner w/3700 mi already on it. A completely new car with packages would have been too expensive for my liking. However, I think Volvo has been throwing in the "premium" package as an incentive. I'd have liked a trip computer and Electronic Climate Control. Some of the other features we could either take or leave (sun roof, fake wood trim). The premium HU-803 sound system is interesting, but unfortunately it's unavailable on the 2.4. To get it, you have to buy more of a "performance" vehicle that gets poorer gas mileage.
My third Volvo after years of Audi and BMW. While I cant deny the fact that Volvo is perceived to be a notch below the other Euro brands, I don't care about the status, and the actual transaction prices for Volvo make the spread significant.
If you place safety and comfort above everything else, then Volvos are good value for money. But if you place handling, pure driving enjoyment, "prestige", or reliability first, then there are many cars that provide better value for your dollars.
I don't think the new S40/V50 change that equation much. For the price of an S40 T5 AWD, one can get an Infinity G35x, a much larger and more reliable car that many reviewers have placed ahead of the BMW 3 series.
1) Is there any advantage other than price of a pre 2004 model to the current 2004?
2) If I get just the "base" model and forgo the extras, am I being penny-wise and pound foolish?
3) Are there questions I should be asking that I am not?
thanks,
Yank
2 ) I kind of answered that already. Base, don't worry about money. Just get what's right for you, and don't try to be smart about it if you're thinking about resale value. Simply put, looking at the fact that you're driving around in a '92 240, it doesn't matter what you buy - there won't be a resale value when it's time to sell/trade in. And whatever extra equipment you get, you're not going to get anything for it later on so that would only be for your own enjoyment - if you like a premium stereo and you think it's worth the extra money for it, then get it. Just don't think of it as an investment becuase it's not!
3) No. The Volvo V70 is definately a car for you. Two kids under three, they need to be safe and you also need to be able to carry around a bunch of stuff. So, a base V70, built in booster seats are cool but about $200 more than just getting the regular kind. However, make sure to get a cargo net so stuff in the trunk doesn't turn into killing projectiles in the event of a collision.