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Volvo V70 Wagon Experience

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  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I would not put my children in the 3rd seat. My friend was rear-ended while waiting at a red light. Fortunately, he had just dropped his children off at school - their stuffed animals that were left in the seat were completely mangled. He went out the same day and bought a Lexus SUV.

    Don't put them in the left or right outboard 2nd row seats either because you might be T-Boned while going through an intersection. Oh, and of course, don't put them in the front passenger seat because in a frontal collision, the airbag might seriously injure them.

    Now that you mention it, don't let them outside the house, they might be hit by a car while crossing the street.
  • stmssstmss Posts: 206
    Your'e right of course. It all comes down to risk and exposure. Intersections are most dangerous. Don't know if T-bones or rear enders are more common - I think t-bones?

    Can't single out Volvo here - take a look at any third row seat in most any vehicle. - most are no more than a foot or two from the rear glass. Some better than others. Depending on what hits you, the Lexus SUV will likely be no better.

    Unfortunately, life is such that many of us need a vehicle that can hold more than 5 and we are no longer allowed to put all kids in the back seat like Dad use to do with the Chevy Biscayne.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Were the animals belted in to the 3rd seat?
  • We own a 1997 Volvo GLT wagon with 99K miles and this year had the 3rd seat installed by our Volvo dealer. We used a Volvo rebate offer [use Volvo genuine parts and receive $ back] to try to minimize the price but I grant you it wasn't cheap.

    We have 3 children, ages 6,4 and 2 and needed a way to have a 4th child in the car [car pool, friends, etc.]. We made the investment because we want to have this car long enough that our 6 year old can have it when he gets his license. Additionally, the 3rd seat gave us some breathing room [no pun intended] while we decide what car to buy to replace my husband's 1997 850 GLT sedan [an XC90 versus Honda Pilot debate that we haven't resolved] We do not have our oldest ride in the 3rd seat on the highway, and use it merely around town. I do have fond memories of traveling to Florida in the back of my parent's station wagon [with 7 total in the car!]. The dealer never once suggested from a safety standpoint that we shouldn't install it.
  • stmssstmss Posts: 206
    Your approach to this is identical to ours - use the third seat for casual/occasional use and try to keep risk low when using it. It wasn't too long ago that you simply put 4 in the back seat for the occasional trip but no longer acceptable.

    I just went through the replacement option and also looked at XC90 and Pilot but went with the Freestyle (based on Volvo platform) due to ergonomics - better interior layout and space. Of course less money than either (quite a bit). I just wish Ford would put the Volvo seats in it. Should look at it. Getting very good owner reviews!
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    The Freestyle is going to be dropped due to poor sales.
    In addition to not using the Volvo seats the Freestyle doesn't use Volvo's hardened steels in the chassis.
  • stmssstmss Posts: 206
    So what - it is still being made and being sold now. The debate is on about the future of the Freestyle from being discontinued to showing up as a renamed Mercury to everything in between. As far as sales go, the debate is similiar and ranges from Fords lack of promotion to stealing sales from more profitable Explorer to media reviews.

    I am not trying to say that Freestyle is a replacement for, or same as the XC90 but only an alternative. And for almost $20k less money for similar equipment it is a good one. But if you want the Volvo prestige, go ahead.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    And for almost $20k less money for similar equipment it is a good one. But if you want the Volvo prestige, go ahead

    $20,000 less?

    At Ford.com I built a Freestyle Limited AWD with Safety Package, Homelink, and Moonroof for $32,000 after rebate.

    At volvocars.us, I built an XC90 2.5T AWD with free premium Package for $38,000.

    Personally, I think $6,000 is a reasonable premium for the Volvo's luxury ride, comfortable seats, higher quality materials/build, additional built-in safety features, more powerful engine, longer warranty, and 4 years free maintenance.
  • stmssstmss Posts: 206
    First of all I am in Canada so I need to assume that the Freestyle and Volvo prices are similar here other than exchange rate. Second, we need to ensure we are comparing similar equipment.

    I just picked up a 06 Freestyle Limited, loaded with nav and dvd for $43k cdn (35.8k US?). A base XC90 '5 Seater' is $50k ($41.7k US). A base XC90 7 Seater is $56.4k cdn ($47k US). The 7 seater is over $6k more than the same 5 seater here. Add the premium and convenience package which you need to do to get the same level of equipment along with $5k cdn worth of nav and dvd equipment and you quickly get to $64.4k ($53.6kUS). of course, if you upgrade again to V8 add some more cash.

    When I was faced with this difference in price it wasn't much of a decision. If the Volvo was only $6k more I probably would have picked one up for some of the reasons you state. All $6k here gets me from the Freestyle I have to a base XC90 5 seater - and I already had a V70 7 seater.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Yup, Canadians definitely get the short end of the stick when it comes to car prices.
  • growwisegrowwise Posts: 297
    True... Canada sucks when it comes to car prices, gas prices, astronomical insurance costs and congested traffic because of poor planning. Anyways, I digress...

    Can anyone give some input on volvo car seats? I am more keen on upper back support.
  • stmssstmss Posts: 206
    Canada sucks when it comes to car prices, gas prices, astronomical insurance costs and congested traffic because of poor planning.

    high car prices - Maybe (depends on cdn $ value which is now high compared to the poor US $), high gas prices - yes (it is about $2.50us/usgal where I live, is that high), high insurance - yes (pay $500 US/year - is that high), traffic (must be thinking about Toronto), poor planning - maybe but we have no toll roads to pay for new ones.

    It isn't all that bad - uniiversal health care, more work than we know what to do with and more oil reserves than Saudi Arabia.
  • growwisegrowwise Posts: 297
    My insurance cost is 300 bucks per month. I used to pay 100 bucks a month with same history in states... btw, 300 is the cheapest I found (most wanted 400 a month with same history with which I paid 100 a month to GMAC, Esurance, AllState etc)

    Gas is right now 90 cents a litre which is around 4 bucks almost with 15% tax.

    Cars are priced ridiculously high.. 28K CAD for same cars that are around 20K USD which is around 23K CAD.

    Universal healthcare is a bunch of BS. If you add up your taxes, it amounts to taxes + health insurance in states.. Quality however is a different story.. You will have to wait for hours on end before you see a doctor.. and if you need surgery forget it.. If its not related to heart.. wait for several months or even years.. BTW, its like a frozen tundra right now here...but I digress...
  • stmssstmss Posts: 206
    Then you need to move to Alberta (or,if it is so bad, move back to US). Health care is a total other story. Despite its faults here it will not backrupt you. My Dad who use to live in Florida can no longer as he can get no insurance. Can't fathom those car insurance rates - 16 yr old with Ferrari?, lots of speeding tickets, DUI?
  • Be very careful in this car! My 24 year old daughter was killed while driving mine. It was a freak accident and the only reasonable explanation the expert accident reconstructionists have come up with so far is the replacement ETM failed and the car accelerate out of control while she was changing lanes. There were no passengers in my car, and no one else was seriously injured although she collided with another car, but my car went over the guardrail on a bridge, was totalled, and my daughter was killed instantly. Volvo is well aware of the ETM problems but refuses to do anything to correct them on the older models (the design has since been changed on the newer cars). I bought this car to be safe and it wasn't. I'm doing everything I can to prove the replaced ETM caused the accident, but others are still being injured in the meantime...
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    You have posted this before and it is simply impossible.
    An ETM failure causes the unit to either shut down or go into limp mode.
    Unintended acceleration is a discredited farce.
    This was disproven years ago after the so called experts accused Audi and Mercedes of it.
  • pete51pete51 Posts: 20
    I have been looking at the messages and it seems to be proud group of owners. Just purchased an off lease V70 and must say that I am pleased. I a replacing a Toyota Camry, my wife drives an E320. I was looking at a M-class, but I was very disappointed with how it handled plus the nightmare stories of reliability records did not help. Took a look at some the large suvs and just didn't get that comfy feeling plus gas prices are just to unpredictable. Went by a Volvo dealer to look at an XC90, but out of the price range I wanted to stay in. Salesman had V70 2.4 with third row and it worked out perfect, good price, good ride, good flexibility (kids with friends-third row) and kinda sporty. With the E320, we have been overall pleased. It has had some little Mercedes :surprise: Gremlin problems but at 170k it still runs great and treats us pretty good. Are there any little Volvo Gremlins I should be aware of, because my plan is to have this for a while? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. :) Oh yes, what kind of gas mileage should I expect from the 2.4 engine I assume it burns premium only?
  • Hi everyone, this is my 1st post here, and I'm happy to be aboard. I have a question(s)...I was recently looking at a 1993 volvo 240 wagon, automatic, w/164,000 miles, excellent condition, leather interior, smogged, registered. This is my 1st foray into buying a car...I don't really know much. The seller is asking $5000. I checked the Kelly Blue Book value and it listed $4300 as the appropriate asking price?

    So my question/ questions:(1) is the $5000 crazy?
    (2) What problems does this model have or will/might have given the 164,000 miles?

    Any words of wisdom or advice, insight regarding the '93 240 would be appreciated. Thanks.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,916
    pete51, the 2.4 runs fine on 87 octane with no mpg loss according to my many tests. same with the 2.4T. same with the xc90 2.5T. for mpg i bet you'll see lower 20s city, upper 20s highway.

    regarding other posts, regarding V70 ETM & "sudden acceleration":
    i do not agree that the only possible ETM failure mode is "limp home" and believe that plenty of ETM/software failures could theoretically cause an acceleration burst. software bugs are unavoidable. also unavoidable is the fact that a Yugo's brakes could stop a Dodge Viper at max torque. on the other hand, any sudden/surprising change in a vehicle's behavior can have dire consequences.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    IF the 240 has no rust, new tires, and is perfect, $5000 is all the money.
    I would offer $3500-4000.

    As for problems, same as any old car. Things wear out. Alternator, a/c compressor, electrical issues etc.
  • growwisegrowwise Posts: 297
    How is the back seat (second row not rear facing kids seat) for three adults? Is it more suitable for 2 rather than 3?
  • WHAT THE HECK ARE THEY ALL HAVING KIDS FOR ANYWAY? IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY KIDS, ALL THE WORLD'S MAN MADE PROBLEMS WOULD BE OVER IN LESS THAN 120 YEARS!

    I know that would wreck the auto industry, but it would sure save all the oil.
  • I have been told by my dealer that the A/C comes on after you turn your car off, IF , the interior gets too hot. It will cool the interior down even if the car is off.

    It will save your dog or kid life if you leave them in the car. It might, however, kill the battery? I assume it goes off when the car gets cooler. Then will go on again when the car heats up again. Moral, Leave a window down and leave your dogs and kids at home.
  • "WHAT THE HECK ARE THEY ALL HAVING KIDS FOR ANYWAY? IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY KIDS, ALL THE WORLD'S MAN MADE PROBLEMS WOULD BE OVER IN LESS THAN 120 YEARS!"

    Hmm. :surprise: :confuse:
  • I just purchased a 2006 XC70 and want to do my own oil changes. Does anyone know the procedure to reset the 7500 mile service reminder light? Thanks
  • Our '01 XC has given us good service although the maintenance experience hasn't been great. Two truts and the automatic transmission have been replaced under warranty, the ETM failed when I was in the middle lane of I95 one weekend, we have had various electrical problems with the doors, light bulbs burned out regularly for the first couple of years, a recent brake job cost $1100 or so, front control arms have been replaced, etc. (This is the short version and from memory.)

    All the work has been done at a local Volvo dealer in central New England whose dealer principal lives out of state and is invisible in the community. The work hasn't been great and mechanics tools have been left in the engine compartment. The car has never been washed after a service which doesn't bother me but it is their policy and leaves me wondering what else wasn't done?.

    A week ago a warning light came on. Some of the time it was accompanied by a message saying that the right rear door was open (it wasn't). The dealer diagnosed it as a bad seal on the right rear door. They have ordered the parts. This may be expensive and unecessary (we do not use the back seat.)

    Now at 68K miles the right rear wheel bearing became noisy. We were quoted $250 for the wheel bearing and $200 installation labor by the local dealer. Once at the dealers they called to say that the left one also needed replacing. We never heard a noise from the left side, not even when I went with the tech on a diagnostic drive. Never the less, we gave them the go ahead and $900 later we have two new wheel bearings.

    When we got the car back to our company yesterday we tried to mount our winter tire/wheel package and discovered that the gorrilla at the Volvo dealership had put wheels back on with an impact wrench set at 650 foot pounds of torque. We had to use a 3' cheater bar and an impact wrench to get the wheels back off.

    By personality (we're New Englanders), driving habits (only 10K per car per year), and the number of cars available to us, my wife and I tend to keep cars. Do we dump the Volvo for something else (I do though hate depreciation), stay with the very convenient local dealer, start taking it to a less convient dealer, or find an independent shop?
  • Got rid of my 01 xc v70 today. Here is my story which is remarkably similar to yours.

    2001 XC V70 Car full of christmas presents, 2 kids, wife and father-in-law stalled on Christmas morning. It was jerking and hesitating intermittently for months when problem started getting worse. Then "performance decreased" message came on. Towed and car sat at volvo dealer over holidays. Became aware of throttle problem last summer. I was in denial. Volvo not only has a throttle problem. I believe the car is poorly constructed. Numerous suspension components needed replacement, problem with computer chip, wiring harness, seat motor, door locks, windows, gas cap, faded trim, etc. The dealer was moving and I asked for a print out of service records. It was 28 pages long at the end of last summer. Bought extended warranty for thousands so I could keep car longer. Got back half of cost in few months from repairing faulty computer chip.

    The car is still a bit jerky on the ride from the Volvo dealer after software upgrade. I was told the throttle was clean and did not need any service but only a software upgrade. I am wondering how a software upgrade can fix a defect in a faulty throttle??? I was told the car was fixed and drove like a dream on a 10 km road test. It is more of a nightmare. I drove home, cleaned it up and went to the Lexus dealership on same day. Got an RX 330 and only $15k for the trade in value. The Lexus dealer told me they called 3 volvo dealerships. None of them wanted it but suggested that low ball price as wholesale anyway!!!

    Driving this car has been emotionally similar to although not as serious as spousal abuse. You always get let down. You fear the next episode. You think you will make up and things will be better after just one more trip to the repair shop but it never ends until now. I do not want to sell this junker privately as I do not want to lie to some unsuspecting buyer. It is with great sadness I sell this Volvo. My mom and dad had 3 before and drove 2 into the ground. I was planning on doing the same. These new Volvos are junk. Shame on Volvo. Shame on Ford. Putting families at risk when there motto is Drive Safely. Do they not even care about repeat business?
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  • SOFTWARE UPGRADE NOT ENOUGH, STALLED DAY AFTER!!! Throttle now changed and software reloaded. Told service advisors I wouldn't be seeing them because I bought a Lexus. One told me it was a good choice. He showed me his watch with a Toyota logo on it. He use to work there and drives Toyotas. This car runs smoothly but I do not care anymore and it only has to last another 2 weeks.
  • Replying to: marthacooper (Sep 05, 2005 6:31 am)
    "I have been told by my dealer that the A/C comes on after you turn your car off, IF , the interior gets too hot. It will cool the interior down even if the car is off.

    It will save your dog or kid life if you leave them in the car. It might, however, kill the battery?"

    THIS INFO IS WRONG! Do not rely on the AC to come on to cool your interior or occupants - you will kill them.

    The electric blower will come on for a short time around 30 minutes after shut-down in certain circumstances to remove humidity from the system. There will be no noticeable change in interior temperature due to this, and negligible battery drain.

    For the Air Conditioning system to function as a cooler, the compressor must turn, which is mechanically linked to the motor by a belt. In other words, the motor needs to be running for the AC to work.
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