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You can get an LL Bean with the H6 for under $27k easily. That's only about half the difference you mention, plus you get tons of features and even free service standard.
That may be just the ticket.
-juice
Thanks for a great forum. I've really enjoyed it.
Live Happy,
Chris
I am curious how does the H4 engine perform around town and in mountain driving?
Did anyone make some modifications to increase the horsepower like air filter, exhaust, chip Etc... I would like to get up to the 180 horses range.
Thanks
Two BRATs showed up and one owner was determined to cross anything in his path, and basically did.
Check them out. Feel free to copy and share these and I took the photos and own them.
-juice
-r
I have used ebay quite a bit and have found it both easy to use and an easy place to find buyers for unwanted stuff that is cluttering the house. If I were to sell a yakima rack, I would do it there, unless you care to sell it privately.
If you want to sell this privately, I would be interested in buying the towers and the bars. Feel free to email me off the list.
Good luck,
Colin
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I didn't think any drilling was required. Sure you're not talking about a DrawTite or HiddenHitch aftermarket model?
I put one on my Forester, and it took 7 bolts, no drilling, and even included the harness.
-juice
Addressing my previous concerns I would like to know how well the outback performs in the snow and how quiet the Outback is. The reason I am asking is because the nearest Subaru dealer is 100 miles away.
They handle so well that my son, just like the Edmonds reviewers, and some of my friends overdrive them, and crash into a curb. The AWD won't be an advantage in stopping. With care you will have the best snow vehicle around.
Heck, in parts of Colorado, almost every non-truck is a Subie.
My Forester is great in the snow. Outbacks add a limited slip rear differential, so they could only be better.
-juice
Heck, we just bought a 2002 Forester last night (picking it up today) because my wife wouldn't even consider another vehicle without AWD. I tried to get her to look at other cars, but she just wasn't interested.
In terms of quiet, it is almost (not quite) as quiet as a V6 Camry. In other words, I think it is both quiet and has a refined ride, not like a typical SUV.
RR
I too thought it was a simple install (like juice). Anyone out there already have the OE one installed from the port? Maybe we could have someone take a look and see how it connects and all (pictures).
-Brian
-juice
Jeeps can go anywhere, but YOU have to manually put it into 4wheel Hi. The fact is that road conditions change faster than a person realizes. Usually you don't notice that the road has gotten slick until AFTER you have fishtailed once or twice. I have a Jeep Cherokee myself, and with no weight on the back 2 wheels, that back end is very loose (the Jeep's normal mode is 2wheel-rear wheel drive). ANY vehicle with AWD or permanant 4wd is better, on day to day - "on the road" driving, than one with "part-time" 4wd where the driver has put it into 4wheel Hi - either by a lever (the Jeeps) or by a push button.
I myself, am looking to replace my 1994 Cherokee with an LL Bean Outback. I am tired of the Jeep's buck-board suspension, bad gas mileage, poor highway handling, loose back end, and the loud road noise.
I want the LL Bean for its H-6 engine, I live in Denver and want it for climbing up I-70 up to the mountains (have season ski pass) (though many H-4's have passed me in my I-6 engine Jeep).
The Subaru also has a lot more cargo room than the Cherokee and I think just a 1/2 inch less ground clearance. So the Subie will be fine for crawling over snow. Plus a nicer ride and better gas mileage.
Go with the Subie.
Kris in Denver
Thanks for the input.
Paul in MN.
-juice
I am trying to decide between both vehicles
Thanks
2. Highlander drives like an SUV, Outback like a car. If you are getting a 4cl, I would recommed HL.....Outback 4cl is more sluggish becos of its weight. If you are getting a 6cl...tough choice between the two.
3.
Highlander is a wider & bigger car than outback.
4.
But Subaru lasts longer than a Toyota ( in my opinion.....parts are more sturdy in Subaru )....Toyota has better resale.....So if you change car soon - toyota....if you want to keep for long - subaru.
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Subaru - definetely has the better AWD, with limited slip, VDC...Of course HL has the VDC too....you will have to pay more....
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Subaru's AWD is active rather than reactive ( if you get the auto )
Thanks again,
Kevin
L wagon auto: 3400 lbs
GT wagon auto: 3505 lbs
Actually, the Highlander uses the same type of AWD as the manual trans Outback (center viscous coupling). The Outback has the edge because a rear LSD is standard (extra cost option on Highlander).
The auto Outback has a more sophisticated (and just as effective) AWD system, also with a rear LSD. The VDC is comparable to a loaded Highlander with the VSC option.
I like the Highlander, but Toyota nickel-and-dimes you for everything. Everything is an extra-cost option, including ABS, AWD, alloys, rear LSD, and a roof rack. My guess is a similarly equipped Outback will cost you a few grand less.
-juice
Cheers
Pat in NC
Any 1.0 version will have some unknown bugs.
Bob
Also, on dealer's recommendation, I switched to synthetic oil (Mobil 1) at 5k miles on H6.
Mike
In any case I love my limited. I have never test driven the LL because I did not want to be tempted into spending at the time 2K more than for Ltd. But at today's prices I would definitely get the LL. Maybe that will be next.
I guess I paid the premium of the Bay Area along with wanting a car that week to take to Tahoe the coming weekend. Funny, the Dealer would not even entertain the idea of making less than 1K over invoice. I should go there today. I am sure the story is different.
So congrats to all of you who are buying them now. You are getting a great car at a great price!!!
Thanks,
Paul
Look at it this way - you could have rented or leased a car in the interim, but it would have cost you a lot more.
In Canada, prices are obviously different than here in the US. Just for reference, a no-haggle dealer in DC has Outback Sports starting at USD$18,220 for manuals and going up to USD$18,721 for an auto. Considering all that you get (wagon, AWD, alloys, ABS, power everything, etc) it seems like a good value.
How to talk your mom into it? AWD is a huge plus in Canada. It's about the most affordable AWD vehicle you can get. I guess the Sportage and Vitara are cheaper, but those are older truck-based designs, and you'll make up the difference with great gas mileage and cheaper insurance. Subaru has a great safety record, and long-term reliability ain't too shabby.
I would also suggest they look at cheaper base Impreza wagons, and even a Legacy L wagon. The latter is listed for USD$18,817 for 5 speeds and start at USD$19,403 with automatic. Just be sure to mention to your mom that the Legacy aced IIHS crash tests.
Good luck.
-juice
Outback vs. Highlander...
Just remember, you won't find a Toyota dealer discounting a Highlander. I think they are pretty attractive vehicles but I also think you pay a premium for the "T" name. Best of luck!
Paul in MN.
I feel somewhat better. Gees. Paulsgt $28,157 is what I would have paid more or less for a Bean here. I paid 26K for my LTD. I still have the sticker marked $27,500+. I was one of those that brough home the car I test drove. I looked at online orders and I could have saved 500 bucks at the time. To me that was not worth the wait and search for color.
I guess location does mean something. I just learned that the 10th District of California has one of the highest per capita income. I guess that will do it.
I called two local dealers. None of them have had any notice from Subaru.
If anybody have your squeak brake fixed, please post your stories here. Thanks.
However, this SUV drives more like a mini van than like a car to me (as many have reported, drives like an SUV). Perhaps I am not used to the high sitting position? I felt there was too much body roll as well.
When I drive the OB I don't feel much difference than when I drive my wife's Camry. When I drive the highlander, I feel in a totally different kind of vehicle.
That's too bad, as I was really in love with the vehicle otherwise!
Pat.
Seems to me the ratio in third is wrong or the electronic control is shifting it too soon. I even tried setting the cruise at the bottom of the hill at 60 and it will not hold it with out all the shifting back and forth.
With a 212 horse power engine it should scream up hills. My Explorer which I traded for the
Bean had no trouble getting over the hill. Any wisdom out there on this?
Thanks!
The engine-transmission-gearing combo certainly needs to be revisited by Subaru engineers.
Bob
chuck
-mike
..Mike
..Mike