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I wish I could get some of the Explorer owners to chime in with some info on there dealings. The Explorer rep all of sudden disappeared when I started asking for some pricing, so I called HQ and they won't talk, they say I have to talk to the regional rep.
Jerry
Jerry
NADA lists a SE 300 for '93 and a SE 301 for '94.
The '93 300 whsle 1920. retail 2430.
The '94 301 whsle 1790. retail 2260.
check Edmunds for cargo chassis value.
Jerry
Thanks for the information on the StarCraft.
*** EXPLORER VAN INFORMATION ***
For everyone else that is looking for a new Conversion van here is my experience(opinion/information) on Explorer.
1. If Explorer treats customers they way the treat prospects, don't buy one! Here is why.
I sent e-mails to HQ, and to the regional rep, I also called HQ and the regional rep, I paged the regional rep. And guess what. No one would call me back and no one responded back to my e-mails. I finally reached someone at HQ on the phone and they would not talk to me they said I had to talk to the regional rep....who doesn't return calls, e-mails or pages.
2. Quality - the van does seem very well made, and I have not heard anything to change that feeling.
3. Price - I was looking at a 2000 GMC with the X package (fully loaded all the bells and whistles) sport top. The sticker price was $46,900. I got the GMC dealer in Manassas, VA. down to $39,500. He told me his cost on the van was $37,000. If he went below 39,500 he felt he was not going to make any money on the deal... lets see, GMC has a $500 dealer incentive on the savana, and I was going to order my van so 3% holdback was another $750+ I guess this dealer wants more than $3000 profit on each van they sell. Lets see if their tune changes closer to the end of the month. But I must say, at this point I am no longer interested in owning an Explorer Package.
My current van the 93 Starcraft I also bought new. The sticker in 93 was $38,000 we paid $25,000. I hope all this information helps anyone else that is looking to purchase a new Conversion van.
P.S. StarCraft answers e-mails and phone calls.
Jerry
Jerry
I have four kids, and with the exception of one overhead light, everything on my 1990 still works. I have been very impressed with the quality of the conversion, and that's the main reason I am looking at replacing it with an Explorer.
The only difference is that I am looking at a new GMC Savana instead of a Ford this time around. Anybody have any input on the Savana? I'm looking at the 1500 with the 5.7L V8. Occasionally, I tow a utility trailer and a 3000 lb. pontoon boat.
My questions are -
1) how do I find out what a reasonable price is - (20,000 miles, properly maintained, 5.4 V8, Electric Seats and Windows, running boards, and a stupid little TV that we never use.)
2) what is the best way to go about selling it?
(I should add that I tried taking it to a local CarMax here in Gaithersburg MD and got a price which I desperately hope is too low (14,800).
You can check Edmunds for cargo van values.
Absent the msrp, if the CarMax price is a wholesale price you could add 2,500 to 3,000 for retail price.
Thanks for the input on the Explorer. It is good to hear from a current owner that feels highly of the company and the quaility. I guess I have just had an unresponsive sales rep, I will see if they start calling me at the end of the month. I would like to trade pricing info with you further as we both seem to be attempting to order a new GMC. I am looking at the x package on the GMC with the 5.7. I have posted my first go around with the sales people.
I currently have a 93 Chevy with the 5.7 and It has been very reliable and durable. We use it for trips heading from VA to WVA and Arkansas, lots of mountains etc. I set the cruise control and let it roll, no problems pulling either. Only problem I have had is that it is rough on brakes, but that is normal on a full size van.
NADA '97 Ford cargo van whsle 12,000. retail 14,400. Deduct 975. for hi miles.
Suggest you compare cargo value with Edmunds.
Jerry
1. Quality Coach reputation and
2. Current value of their 1994 orig $11,000 MSRP Conversion.
I have the Chateau van-only value from Edmunds, just need the Conversion value or an approximation.
Thanks,
Here are 3 possible models;
Limited msrp 8,900. whsle 2,700. retail 3,420.
Limited HiTop 11,900. msrp whsle 3,630. retail 4,600.
Trendsetter HiTop 8,995. msrp whsle 2,720. retail 3,440.
I recommend using Cargo van values. Club Wagon or Chateau vans are fully finished oem vans. The converter does not use these type of units for conversion but rather an "RV" ready version.
Jerry
Jeff
Your welcome! I hope you have have an excellent experience with it.
Jerry
The front bumper on my 94 had paint peeling off it. Our dealer was extremely rude and condescending and was definite about not covering it. Another dealer told me they would repaint it under warranty because Chrysler had a problem with the 94 and the front bumper paint. He agreed to this without even seeing it! We did go to this dealer about the transmission but didn't know to ask about any transmission problems. Should have known about Edmunds then!! This dealer wanted over $2M to fix it and 1 1/2 weeks to get it done. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask Chrysler for an extended warranty on a new purchase at no additional cost given what we have gone through. I can't sell it myself since I know the transmission is going to go out - so I'm losing money on that too!! Any suggestions? If I don't get Chrysler to come through I'm afraid I may end up in a Windstar. It's okay just not as nice a ride as the T&C. Sorry for rambling. I needed to vent. Appreciate any feedback you can give.
Chapped
Seems you've had a one if not a two thumbs down experience. Your thoughts on the ("insurance policy") extended warranty gives rise to the question;
Given your apparent lack of confidence in the reliability of the van in question, why is it even a candidate for purchase? Warranty or not, somebody will pay for it and guess who that most likely will be? Does it really make sense to spend extra dollars on an insurance policy and put up with the grief and aggravation of repair down time to achieve a debatable better ride?
The get in line, take a number, and maybe we'll talk dealers, are not deserving of the money that you work very hard to earn. It is you who will make the loan payments or lease payments. It is you who should continue to do the homework you've begun. Bologna to extended warranties. Buy into reliability. Buy into peace of mind. If you must take a financial hit, make it once rather than 2, 3, or more times. Find the means to acquire that vehicle without the abuses you refer too.
Don't give up and don't cave in. It's your money, your life, and your household. If a good used car will get the job done and that's what it takes, do it!
Oh yes, I drive a Ford conversion van and I do like it. That's not to say that Ford is the only "good" vehicle on the road. I'm sure there are many voices to contrary.
Good luck in your pursuit. I do not mean to offend and apologize if I did.
Go State!
Jerry
Seems you've had a one if not a two thumbs down experience. Your thoughts on the ("insurance policy") extended warranty gives rise to the question;
Given your apparent lack of confidence in the reliability of the van in question, why is it even a candidate for purchase? Warranty or not, somebody will pay for it and guess who that most likely will be? Does it really make sense to spend extra dollars on an insurance policy and put up with the grief and aggravation of repair down time to achieve a debatable better ride?
The get in line, take a number, and maybe we'll talk dealers, are not deserving of the money that you work very hard to earn. It is you who will make the loan payments or lease payments. It is you who should continue to do the homework you've begun. Bologna to extended warranties. Buy into reliability. Buy into peace of mind. If you must take a financial hit, make it once rather than 2, 3, or more times. Find the means to acquire that vehicle without the abuses you refer too.
Don't give up and don't cave in. It's your money, your life, and your household. If a good used car will get the job done and that's what it takes, do it!
Oh yes, I drive a Ford conversion van and I do like it. That's not to say that Ford is the only "good" vehicle on the road. I'm sure there are many voices to contrary.
Good luck in your pursuit. I do not mean to offend and apologize if I did.
Go State!
Jerry
You can e-mail me at quinnbritt@aol.com
Jerry
Now i feel chapped
Also as a point of comparison, NADA shows Club Wagon values of whsle 7,350 and retail of 9,350. Add 400 for low miles.
Again, compare these chassis values against Edmund's and other sources such as local classifieds.
Jerry
mileage 33,000 Excellent condition inside & out
4 Flexsteel captain chairs power bed/sofa, fabric pull down shade, reading and mood lights oak interior Could you please help me price the Van.
Thank,
Bob
Diamond new msrp 14,000. whsle 4,260 retail 5,410.
Eurosport msrp 10,000. whsle 2,210. retail 2,860.
Check Edmund's and other sources for cargo van values. NADA shows 1,850. add on for low miles. The G2500 Vandura whsle 7,975. retail 10,000. plus mileage adjustment.
Jerry
This is a great forum ;-)
Jerry
Does anyone know a source for this or can you supply me with the information.I am looking at Explorer, TrailMaster, and Geneva conversions.
Additionally, does anyone know for certain if year end carry over allowances still exist with Chevrolet and GMC.
I don't know what rebates may available from GM.
Jerry
I need help pricing my 92 chevy Mark 111. It is loaded with all the usual items and is in very good shape with 72000 miles on it.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
new msrp 8,295 whsl 1,600 retail 2,090
Check Edmund's for cargo van values.
Jerry
p.s. Can you recommend any other sites for full size van info?
When I bought my 97' Ford conversion, it too was a prior model year clearance van. I bought it on 12-31-97. I paid the the Ford window sticker (give or take $200.) for it and that included sales tax, title, and plate transfer fees which amounted to about $1,300. The Coachmen conversion had an MSRP of $9,200. and the Ford sticker was $23,200. or there abouts.
I've checked the NADA book and the only mfg. listed for Legend (current production) is Infinity Motor Coach in NY. They have a Legend and a Legend SE in the 2000 model. It is possible to have a 2000 conversion on a 1999 chassis. I can give you book numbers if this is the converter you're refering too.
Also, be sure to check Edmund's and elsewhere for mfg. rebates that are currently available. Mine had a $2,000. rebate from Ford.
Jerry
Thanks
mike
1993 Chevy G20 half ton, 4.3 V6
Gladiator conversion - low top
Television
AM/FM CD player, 6 speaker sound system
Front and rear A/C
Lighting package
Teak wood trim and accy's.
Six ceiling reading lights
Vacuum cleaner
Custom carpeting
Radar detector
Custom Alarm system
Running boards (a little damage)
Rear drivers quarter panel (a little damage)
98,000 miles
NOTE: Van is minus the 2 center captains chairs.
Well maintained, excellent mechanical condition despite minor running board and quarter panel damage.
Thanx...
Responses can be made to: Vegemann7@earthlink.net if you wish.
Work in Queens, live in Nassau. Email if interested Sempefi1@aol.com
Half Back 1840. 2310.
Leader Series 1720. 2150.
Quarter Back 1520. 1900.
Value Series 1880. 2390.
Check Edmund's for cargo chassis values.
Jerry
Larry (Vegemann7)
elec.sofa, TV/VCR, Pioneer am/fm stereo CD,tilt, cruise, real wood enhancements, mood lights, blinds, f&r heat/air, game hookup, rear jacks, builtin air compressor,chrome wheels etc. I need to find a retail and trade in value for this vehicle. Exc.cond in & out.