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  • sphil906sphil906 Posts: 6
    How much over invoice should I expect to pay for a 2001 Eurovan GLS. Edmunds does not list a TMV.
  • pltheplthe Posts: 3
    Eurovans can tow a trailer, and many EV_Update list members do so. You can get 1 1/4" and 2" receiver hitches from U-Haul. They're also good for mounting bike racks and cargo platforms.

    Mmimmo's point about weight limits is well taken, though. I think the new Eurovans are rated for 4,500 lb.s or so braked. But if you read the fine print you'll see it goes down greatly with both load in the van and with altitude.

    OTOH the same engine/drivetrain is used by Winnebago in their Rialta RV, which is vast compared to a Eurovan Camper. So a Eurovan can pull a suprising amount of load (as long as you're not in too much of a hurry).
  • pltheplthe Posts: 3
    Not all VW dealers are committed to Eurovans. Only about a quarter of them are authorized Eurovan Camper dealers who've invested in training the mechanics in the intricacies of the Winnebago conversions. Seems like they'd be the likeliest to stock normal Eurovans as well. I found the ones in my area in two steps. First I got a list of all the VW dealers near me from VW's Website. Then I called VW's sales hotline and found out which of those were authorized Camper dealers. That's the way to find Eurovan-friendly VW dealers I think.
  • pltheplthe Posts: 3
    Mmimmo's wrong about the Camper seating capacity. It seats six, sleeps four. Most Camper owners keep the center seat in the garage. That's why you might think it only seats four.


    We went back and forth between buying a Weekender or a Camper for a long time. We finally opted for the Camper for several reasons.


    Power: As of the '97 model VW put in a V6 engine strong enough to haul the Camper's extra 900 lbs. comfortably. In fact, we've found that our Camper can keep accelerating on any highway in California, even the steep one that swoops up the eastern face of the Sierras to Tioga Pass at over 10,000 ft. altitude. And it has a top speed of a true 106 mph (115 indicated).


    Winter camping: the Camper model's 12,000 btu propane furnace let us go camping in Yosemite in February with over 2 ft. of snow on the ground. We were toasty inside.


    Summer camping: the Camper's Winnebago poptop is vastly superior to the Weekender's Westphalia one. Our Camper's poptop has three big rectangular screen windows and a rooftop vent. The camper has two small semicircular ones. Inside on a hot day our Camper is airy and comfortable where a Weekender would be sweltering (and a normal minivan unbearable).


    Camping while it's raining: we can cook, eat, talk and sleep inside the Camper. Our first trip it poured cats & dogs. We enjoyed the patter of rain on the roof. We didn't have to venture out except to use the restroom. The extra 15.8" length of the Camper made up for the narrower space left by the cabinetry along one wall.


    Commuting: despite being longer and heavier, my wife finds the Camper is a great commute vehicle and uses it every day, leaving our Jetta in the garage. Both the Camper and Weekender handle better than other minivans (due in part to the stiff truck suspension) and the high seating position and huge windshield let you see farther down the road--even over the roofs of Jeep Cherokees. Parallel parking in the 17 ft. long Camper takes getting used to, but you learn to swing wide. The Camper will fit in a normal parallel parking space.


    We did have give up one thing in choosing a Camper: the Weekender's beds are wider, since you don't have the interior cabinets. But the space is shorter and the front seats don't swivel.


    Once we drove a Camper and found the power satisfactory it was a no-brainer for us. Especially since when we bought ours in July '98 the Camper actually cost less than the Weekender, despite its additional length, propane furnace, three way refrigerator, sink with running water, second camper battery, rear spritzer faucet thingie, ability to run everything on AC from a shoreline while camping, storage space over the cab (accessible by unzipping the front screen window) and more. Ya gotta pay for Westphalia workers' six week summer vacations I guess.


    All Eurovans do have one defect relative to other minivans: they're noisier inside. It's not unbearable, but I hope VW does something about this as some point. A hearing-impaired friend wound up with a Grand Caravan solely because of this factor.


    For more information from owners like us, join the EV_update email forum. Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/ and search on EV_Update. It has nearly 1,200 members and covers all models/years of Eurovan (but not earlier VW Vanagons/busses).

  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    The camper seats four standard. But your point is well-taken. The optional center seat is available. Of course, with the center seat in place, you can barely get to the back seat and cannot access the frig and other parts of the galley.

    The weekender's jumpseats fold out of the way. The optional center seat for the camper must be stuck in your garage to camp.

    Agree with the better poptop on the camper vs weekender. And the longer body is desireable.

    I too noticed that previous EVC's were no more expensive than weekenders. BUT, now that VW has dropped the prices on their Euro's, but Winnie has not, there is a significant price advantage for a weekender. I personally don't camp enough to justify the propane and galley stuff. (Probably don't camp enough to justify a weekender)

    I'am glad you like your EVC! I recognize your comments. You are obviously a member of vanagon.com.
  • gdementgdement Posts: 4
    I bought my new full camper with the single companion seat, which mounted behind front passenger allows access to kitchen and seating for 5 (exactly what I wanted.) I miscalculated before; when looking at the invoice again, I paid 2,300. less than MSRP.
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    Of course, you can also mount a weekender rear facing jumpseat behind the passenger in a camper. If you don't mind it being rear facing. Kids dig 'em.


    You could also put a self contained camping module in a weekender, if your the type that doesn't camp enough to justify the kitchenette fulltime:


    http://www.zproducts.com/


    Select "Van camper kit" and "kitchenette"


    http://www.eurocampers.com/EVKitchen.html


    Happy Camping!

  • mtgould:
    Is THAT what that noise was? 2000 Eurovan Camper, 4948 miles, 60 mph on cruise, no A/C, and the engine lost all power for a half-second. Then the Check Engine light came on for another half-second. After stopping, the rhythmic clicking was noticable over the idling engine. It had "never happened before." After shutting off the engine, the noise persisted, and was I traced it to a 2"+/- diameter black plastic valve thing in a vacuum(?) line, had some wires coming off it, led to a fitting with a tag labeled something about "EVAP," but I did not pursue it when the noise stopped. Van is in the shop now for its second oil change, and the dealer will check for a code, which should have been recorded in its memory. I'll try to let you know if they find anything, which they typically don't...
  • The Eurovan Camper ("EVC") has a choice of center seats, single or double (or none). The double really restricts access to the fridge and the rear seat. Must be heavy, too, as my single center seat weighs more than I want to lift, although it is on wheels. It spends almost all of its time in the basement.

    The EVC is longer all around, which provides more room for sleeping and storing all the other stuff you can take camping, fishing, backpacking, etc., at the expense of more weight and a larger turning radius. Doubtless poorer mileage and acceleration with the extra weight, but it still handles amazingly well, with those Michelin load-rated tires.

    Consider also the features over the Weekender:

    Three-way fridge that won't drain the vehicle's main battery (one guy called it a four-way fridge when used as a cooler -- I heartily agree).

    Coach battery can be recharged from the land line (supplied). Don't know if the converter also charges the main battery. It might.

    Superior top with triple windows and a roof vent, smoke detector and CO detector. Possibly more room under the top when raised.

    Propane for the furnace, two-burner stove, fridge, and propane detector, with the requisite loss of ground clearance. Fire extingusher, too, just in case. I won't have a vehicle without one. And, actually, I prefer a pack stove or two and a cookset on a picnic table to cooking in the van, unless the weather goes south, or I'm in a hurry, or I have to prepare a larger meal.

    Very decent cabinetry throughout and storage galore, front and back.

    12 gallons of fresh water and 8 of gray, sink and rear sprayer (very handy), can run off an AC land line or that second battery.

    Possibly more and better lights in the interior (don't remember). 4 AC (when plugged in) and 2 rear DC outlets. LED status indicator for the coach battery, propane, fresh and gray water -- trick!

    Two-part dining table. Swiveling front seats. CD in 2000 vs. cassette, but "only" four speakers, and the rear ones are crummy. Removable face. Speaking of which, why on earth didn't Winnebago spend the extra thirty bucks for the next model up and get us a stereo with a remote?! Finally, a vehicle where it makes sense, and they save a few measly bucks!

    Does the Weekender offer full privacy curtains/shades? I don't know, but the EVC does.

    Of course, all this complexity means more maintenance, more things to pay for and haul around and to go wrong (don't ask me how many times I've had to take mine in to fix the Winnebago-supplied stuff, but now all the bugs seem to be worked out). Furnace, fridge, battery, seems every major gizmo but the water system and stove have given me lip. And the dealer's really slow to agree with me when something's wrong, or to fix things right the first time...

    By the by, spoke with a guy at a campground last weekend who paid $36K out the door at Niello in Sacramento for a "plain" 2001. I know it had a sunroof and climate control. And very pretty, aggressive looking five-spoke 16" aluminum wheels -- are they standard? My 2000 EVC was just under $40K out the door at Ron Price in SSF, after some haggling. I think I did okay...
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    The weekender does have curtains and a second battery.

    No propane, kitchen items, or A/C land line capabilities.

    $36k for a plain van? Ouch. That should be more like $26k- if you pay list price! $31k for a Weekender. I haven't seen prices for the new '01 EVC.
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    "Only problem with the EV Camper is Winnebagel's camper conversion. (I had
    one about a year ago...now drive a Syncro Westy w/Subaru Engine.)

    It's very noisy while driving,particularly the bedframe, which squeeks and
    rattles like hell. There's no sound insulation in the vehicle. The thing
    makes more noise while driving than a symphony tuning up. The camper
    lists significantly to the left. The water pump would wake up all the
    campers within a few blocks. The EV is a "good road only vehicle", i.e
    very little ground clearance. No off roading. Wierd footwell gives no
    place for your left foot while driving. Hell to work on...only midgets and
    fairy's can do it.

    Still it has a few strong points. Proper (up front) air conditioning and
    really love that forced air furnace. (Gotta get one of those in my
    Vanagon). More storage space than a Vanagon. Nice pop-top canvas with
    three large windows, but poptop lifts with only gas struts, no locking
    frame, so can't put anything on the roof or the top will fall down. The
    foam mattress in the top has no retainers except little velcro tabs which
    come off and every time I stopped hard, the top bed would slide forward and
    hit me in the back of the head.

    Winnebagel needs to go back to the drawing boards on the camper interior.
    Or maybe they should just get Wesfalia to do it.

    Just one opinion, I'm sure there are lots of others that think a EV is
    just great!"

    His opinion, not mine.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Why not invite the members of the other list to post here in Town Hall as well? It would be nice to see this discussion topic active again (and even more than now) just as it has been for the last few days.


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  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    but they're a weird lot, except me, of course.

    That is the vanagon and eurovan list on vanagon.com. Problem with that list is its very esoteric. Lots topics like how to improve your fuel injection sensors, bolt in exotic engines, make your van run on vegetable oil, adding solar power, etc.
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, just arrived in New MexicoPosts: 40,538
    It's nice that some of the VW bus crowd continues to live up to our "hippie" expectations. I carried a goat in my '69 VW bus once for a few blocks, but that's about as esoteric as I got.

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  • Fairly scrutinized one at the dealer yesterday. It was locked, but I got a good look-see. Interior looks the same as the 2000 except for the Sony stereo (does IT come with a remote?).

    The two most notable things about the exterior are the 16" styled steel wheels sans cheap-looking and hard-to-clean wheel covers, and fog lights. I'd pay for those. Judging from the light switch, the headlights may need to be on to use 'em; couldn't test 'em. Of course, most folks drive around with their fog lights on for no apparent reason other than to draw attention to themselves anyway.

    The larger wheels give it slightly less of a roller-skate look, and possibly provide a tiny bit more ground clearance (however, 60 series aspect ratio vs. the 2000's 65-series 15" tires and wheels). German Dunlop 225/60 R16 SP Sport Reinforced vs. yesteryear's Italian Michelin X Agilis 205/65. Load range nearly identical, Max PSI was 49 now vs. 55 then. 2000's PSI is supposed to be 51 front and rear, although my dealer sets my rears to 45, like the regular van, and get to I fix it. The Michelins handle wonderfully (for a truck/van -- my ol' RX-7 is a poor comparison vehicle); I wonder how the wider Dunlops will do. Personally, never met a Michelin I didn't like; never met a Dunlop I did, but those were on smaller cars.

    I'd like to get a 2001 on a freeway on-ramp, but I wonder how that 43+% increase in hp will wear on transmission components, CV joints, fuel mileage, etc. Neck muscles, too.

    Sticker price and features were obliterated, actually not even printed for some reason, but the radio adds $203, the two-person middle seat adds $709, for a suggested conversion price of $11,943 in California anyway. As I recall, that's _about_ the same as the 2000 package. (Does that stereo have a remote? Did I ask that already?)

    According to my "precise calculations" from info I collected, dealer markup was right around 10% last year on the vehicle, barring rebates, holdback, large federal tax cuts, etc.

    Perusing the manual, it describes a nifty full-featured trip computer ("Multi-Funktion" something-or-other) with its display where the clock is. You know: instantaneous mileage, trip time, yada yada. Does the 2001 EV have this available, even as an option? Is Winnebago reading this? I'd pay for that trip computer, too, especially on a traveling van like the EVC. And a remote for the stereo, did I mention that?

    Oh, thanks, mmimmo, for settin' me straight about the Weekender features (battery, etc.). Sometime I don't know out of which side of my mouth I speak. And honestly, the guy told me $36K. Maybe, just maybe, with his rather thick Russian accent, I misunderstood, or maybe he got took. Niello in Sacramento once offered me an EVC for 7% above invoice, FWIW.

    As for the guy with the Synchro Westy with the great, great, Subaru Legacy engine conversion: I possibly would get one too if I could get it new, but I couldn't, so I didn't. Of course there are the issues of having nothing between me and utter disaster but some thin sheet metal and and a boiling hot radiator, no ABS, no airbags, etc. His EVC must have been older, as I've experienced none of the problems he's described, except some of the cabinetry rattles, but what did I expect? Haven't tried it, but I suspect you could put more than a few pounds on a roof rack (I've seen it done), as it takes quite a pull to lower the pop top for driving...
  • joseph35joseph35 Posts: 6
    Any news about its anticipated redesign?
  • bcambobcambo Posts: 3
    The Eurovan sounds very interesting after reading several hundred Chrysler/Odyssey comparison posts. Can someone please tell me if there is a VW dealer in the Chicagoland area that actually cares if they sell any Eurovans or not?I can't seem to find any who want to take an interest.I did see one GLS at the Autobarn on Rand with a sticker of $34,000.00.I can only assume they have heard about the growing interest of these vehicles. Also, can someone tell me the road/wind noise level at speed on the highway in a Eurovan GLS? The reportedly high noise level of the Honda minivan on the highway seems kind of off-putting to me.
  • goblue96goblue96 Posts: 33
    Did you try Jennings in Glenview? Just a thought, I know they move a lot of VW's.
  • erics6erics6 Posts: 684
    Has anyone compared the GTRV Westy to VW's Winnebago Camper conversion? Saw a GTRV Westy at Costco and it was priced in the low 30's with a number of options.
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    No. Never seen or even heard of anyone buying a GTRV. But I have seen a few Sportsmobiles, http://www.sportsmobile.com , and heard very favorable reports. Quality in the Sportsmobile I saw was excellent. Especially the cabinetry.


    Most of the EVC types wouldn't buy a van based on an American van. The ride is just different, as is the image. YMMV

  • jjgittesjjgittes Posts: 54
    Car and Driver reviews the MV weekender in the current issue. They pretty much hate it and think it is still way overpriced. Better as an airport shuttle . . . .
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    doesn't like anything that isn't biturbo-ed and tri-spoilered. What a surprise.
  • lmac1lmac1 Posts: 13
    I'm now considering a '01 EV to adapt to carry two wheelchair passengers. I've got two questions that, hopefully, someone can answer (the EV I'm considering is 200 miles away and I haven't been able to see one locally):
    (1) is it possible to move the rear beach seat in an '01 GLS back some (by unbolting, adding new mounts closer to the rear door, etc.)?
    (2) What's the floor to ceiling distance in an '01 GLS (I've seen reports between 53" and 58")?

    Any help would be appreciated.
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    Consider directing these questions to the Eurovan list. Go to www.vanagon.com and browse through the various vw van mail lists. It will give you a link to the Eurovan list. I'm sure those folks would be glad to help. Interior height shouldn't have changed, but it will vary between a camper, weekender, and standard EV. I would trust the numbers at vw.com.
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, just arrived in New MexicoPosts: 40,538
    "The EuroVan is so boxy that it makes the old Ford Aerostar, former holder of the minivan car-as-carton trophy, look curvaceous."

    Columbian review

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  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/Job /Volkswagen/EuroVan/2001.asp


    http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/Heraud /Volkswagen/EuroVan/2001O.asp


    You'll have to cut and paste as the word was too long for the program.


    All point to the obvious. This vehicle is for utility. Look for dual electronic power leather comfy gizmos elsewhere.

  • tjparkertjparker Posts: 25
    Okay, I've just read the Edmund's review of the 2001 Eurovan. Though this review is more favorable than many reviews out there, like those other reviews, they continue to miss the point in a couple of key areas:
    1) The Eurovan is NOT a mini van! Why keep comparing it to the mini vans? Mini vans make me sick, because the auto makers in this country seem to think that, because they sell well, EVERYBODY wants one. I don't want one! They're cars with a thyroid problem. If I want a station wagon (what they really are, after all), I'd rather have something like a nice old 57 Desoto.
    2) Where do these reviewers get the figures for cargo volume? One of them (don't remember which) actually says the cargo volume of the EV is only about 19 cubic feet! So, no surprise, the Honda and Mopar minis have more cargo volume than that! Take another look, guys, ALL the minivans are TINY inside compared to the Eurovan!

    The closest thing to the Eurovan today is the Chevy Astro or GMC Safari. I rented one of those recently to use on vacation. It's bigger outside and smaller inside than my 1993 EV (which has AC problems and a lot of miles, so I didn't want to take it across the desert). I would have been a lot more comfortable in the Safari if I'd had my left leg amputated before the trip - there's just no place to put your left leg in that thing! The fender well intrudes into the driver's legroom MUCH more than does the EV's fender well. Also, the engine cover in the Safari, though less in the way than it was several years ago, is still this big ol' box right there, jutting out from the middle of the dashboard. The Safari has gotten better reviews from the same people that reviewed the 2001 EV. Heck, my 1993 handles better than the Safari, so I'm betting the 2001 does even better. The Safari blew all over the road in windy conditions, whereas in my EV I have to check the bushes along the freeway to see if the wind is blowing at all, because I've never felt it in the EV. The 2001 EV has a smaller, and yet more powerful engine in it than the Safari, and it can tow nearly as much even though it's front wheel drive. Go figure, though.

    Then VW misses the point in having the poorest marketing of the EV in the US of just about anything imagineable. While I was in Iceland last year, I was amazed at the number of "eurovan" (still called transporters, which is what they should be called over here, dammit!) models available. Like, why can't I buy a VW "Californian" here, with my choice of gas or diesel, synchro 4x4, 5-speed stick, and a camper package made by VW, not some after-market outfit with poor quality control and customer support like Winnebago??? Many of the taxis in Iceland are long-wheelbase "eurovans" with 9-passenger seating, 5-cylinder diesels and 5-speed stick shift transmissions. I was amazed at how well they got up and went with the driver, myself, and about 6 friends on board.

    My 1993 EV is a stick. I don't like automatics, but that's just me. I'd be much more inclined to consider upgrading to a 2001 EV when it's time to give up on the 93, if I could at least get the currently-available MV (even with the automatic) with 4-wheel drive. That'd be nice. Swap out the "little girl's transmission" with a 5-speed and I'd be happier than a...

    -Tim.
  • jimjpsjimjps Posts: 146
    VW has a real marketing problem indeed. The Eurovan is very European. To those that have driven much over there the name of the game is to cram as much space as possible into the shortest length and narrowest width. You can get a hint of this by looking at the external dimensions of a Passat compared to an Accord, or look at the lengths of BMW's. Length in and of itself is a bad thing. But Americans look at it differently and want size for their money - e.g. SUV's. The Eurovan does the best job possible in meeting this European concept by building a tall box, it is shorter than any US available mini van (except MPV by 1inch) and it has way more space than any of them. Worldwide, it is a very popular van. In the US most everyone thinks it's weird. I think VW should cater more to the European-thinking niche market in the US and offer it with the TDI engine and 5 speed manual like they do in Europe. Then it would be the MPG champion of all Vans in the US and stil have that great TDI torque. Instead they give us a version that is unpopular in Europe with a real gas-guzzler engine requiring PREMIUM gas, and a slush-box transmission, so it becomes a weird hybrid indeed.

    There's my 2 cents worth ( I recently got back from driving a Turbo Diesel 5-speed Renault Megane Scenic van in France which got well over 40 mpg with plenty of torque. No problem at all doing 100MPH plus on the Auto route. With diesel the equivalent of $2.60/gallon my fuel costs were actually lower than if I was driving a minivan in the US (which get ~1/2 the gas mileage of the Renault.
  • Greetings from Wyoming. We just purchased a 2001 Eurovan MV and we love it. Now we're considering floor mats, seat covers, bra, and mud flaps to protect our investment. Is this a good idea? Can anyone recommend specific products? Should we buy genuine VW parts or is there a good alternative? Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks.
  • gdementgdement Posts: 4
    to zugbrown
    I just purchased floor mats and bra from gowesty.com and was very happy. Let me know if u find seatcovers.
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