Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





Volkswagen EuroVan

17810121327

Comments

  • Ok, I can only look at the German web site and deam of having the choices provided in Europe. The new 2.8l for 2001 has nice power and price drop is great, but only 188ft/lbs of torque for this heavy van? How about boring this out to 3.2l or larger to improve torque? Five speed would be nice since most of us that have ever owned a bus shifted for ourselves and like this feature. A syncro with a transfer case with low gears plus road clearance would be awesome for those of us that love to venture off-road and camp! Now add the great mileage plus altitude power compensation of the 111KW TDI engine and now we can get great mileage. I remember seeing someone post that VW only sold about 2000 EV here last year. When you're at the bottom, why not experiment with some new offerings? Don't try to be just another DC mini-van. Somebody pinch me!
  • tjparkertjparker Posts: 25
    Hm...

    Well, based on what I saw in Iceland last year as a guide, I'd like a long-wheelbase Eurovan with the TDI diesel, Syncro 4x4, and 5-speed manual. An MV would be okay, as my kids are growing and I probably don't need the poptop for extra sleeping space.

    I actually posted something like this as a comment on VWOA's website. Got a couple of quick responses, until I contradicted the rep's remark that VW doesn't "make" any options for the Eurovan other than what's over here already. When I told him about what I saw in Iceland, I got no response.

    A guy I met at a SOTO meet in the late 80s had a similar experience. He took a Canadian transporter brochure to a VW dealer and pointed to a double cab 4x4 Tristar pickup and said "I want one of those. Can you order it for me?" to which the dealer replied with something like "They don't make one of those." Even with the pictures right in front of him! He ended up buying a used 1984 or 85 doublecab 4x2 pickup from an outfit in Idaho that used to advertise in Hot VWs. Had it right there. SOMEBODY makes them (I'm betting VW ;o)).I checked their prices once, and found them too high for my taste.

    Shortly after that trip last year, someone on the EVUpdate list noted that they heard of an outfit in the upper midwest that will import European cars and equip them for US safety and smog. I may look for them when it comes time to replace my 93 EV. Problem would be getting warranty repairs done, if you needed them (my 93 sure did! SEVERAL times!). I'd probably try to negotiate the price down to compensate for a lack of a powertrain warranty and do the work myself. But even then, I'd have to special order parts from Europe somehow.

    -Tim.
  • tjparkertjparker Posts: 25
    Don't know if it's a misprint or what, but I just got a brochure in the mail for the 2001 Eurovan, with an offer of a free t-shirt if I test drive one. In a small footnote to the base price, it says "equipped with the 5-speed manual transmission". I'd be a notch closer to going for it one of these days if they really do offer a stick. Add the Syncro to that, and I'd be even more tempted...

    -Tim.
  • I will tell you from experience that most dealer's are not supportive of finding parts for non-U.S. spec vehicles (let alone servicing them under warranty). It is sometimes hard to get insurance for these vehicles. I would highly recommend staying away from importing a new European spec cars unless money is no object.

    One modification I was curious about is knowing if someone has added a supercharger on the VR6 engine since aftermarket kits are available for the Jetta & Golf. Don't know if it would bolt into a EV, but the extra power would be great pushing the weight up mountain grades ;).
  • richcolorichcolo Posts: 81
    I got the same brochure as tjparker, but I've checked Edmunds, Kelly Blue Book and VW sites, and they just don't show a manual transmission for the Eurovan. Darn. Oh well, I probably couldn't talk Mrs. Colo out of her Odyssey anyway.
  • Sometimes manufacturers will put out their literature to press before making the final call about vehicle offerings. It is a shame if VW made a last minute decision to ditch the manual shifter. The cool million dollars that the EPA charges to get certification for every single drivetrain combination also doesn't help especially in light of the low sales volumes. If the EPA would revise their procedures and drop the price so that this cost much less, the American consumer would have a greater number of choices available.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,451
    Detroit News article

    Steve
    Host
    Vans, SUVs and Aftermarket & Accessories Message Boards

    Moderator
    Need help navigating? stever@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.

  • tjparkertjparker Posts: 25
    Another horse-puckie review!

    I'm convinced: These twits just read each others' reviews and propogate the same stupid misinformation from the previous reviews.

    Once again, they're comparing the EV to minivans. It ain't. Why not compare them to full-size vans? The EV does pretty well by comparison, particularly since it's a lot cheaper to feed. Why not compare them to the Chevy Astro/Safari vans? It's got more interior room and much less of a "wheel well interference problem" than those goofy dinosaurs.

    And 201 hp isn't enough!? Give me a break! These people can HAVE their 50K Mercedes and BMW Sputes with their nuclear seat warmers and 50 drinky holders throughout the cabin.

    Who cares if the "design is a decade old?" If it was a good one, why replace it? (I think the Microbus concept is one of the ugliest vehicle designs ever, second only to that ridiculous Pontiac Aztec - Heck, even the 1960 Desoto was a prettier car!).

    Dual sliding doors? What the hell use are those, even on minivans? Seems like an excellent way to reduce the structural integrity of the vehicle, though, by "installing" big holes on BOTH sides of the van body. Oh yeah, forgot to mention to the designers of these - the curb is on the right side! Then there's the rear hatch: Mine 93's isn't heavy at all. And when it's open, it's great for getting out of the rain under. And a lot less silly than the Chevy Astro/Safari solution to put 3 doors in one opening. THREE!!!

    Don't understand the hill-climbing remarks. My 93 EV with the 109hp 5-cylinder keeps up with the so-called minivans up grades just fine - even passes them. with nearly twice the hp and a good third more torque, the new ones ought to do pretty well, too.

    Can't comment on the complaints about the automatic. I've never driven one, and would rather not have one.

    As for removing the rear seats: Most of the time, you probably don't need to do this at all. Even with the seats in with the backs folded down, the EV can carry more than a minivan. I've taken both seats out of my EV. Center 2-person bench is easy, but probably a tad heavy for some people. Doesn't bother me. The back seat requires tools and two people, but it's not hard either. I've probably had it out 3 times since I bought the van 7 years ago, though. And I haul a LOT of big, heavy, and bulky items with my van. Can't do what I do with my EV using a minivan. I know, I had a Toyota Previa (aka Jelly Bean) for about a year. And yes, the 93 EV had much more power than the Previa, even though it is a bigger vehicle.

    Gawd, I hope we can someday get some decent, informed reviews about the Eurovan one of these days.

    And a 4x4 with a 5-speed stick would be just the ticket for me...
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,451
    "Gawd, I hope we can someday get some decent, informed reviews about the Eurovan one of these days."

    I think we just did :-). Thanks!

    Steve
    Host
    Vans, SUVs and Aftermarket & Accessories Message Boards

    Moderator
    Need help navigating? stever@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.

  • Anyone have information on what the next EV platform will be like?
  • lmac1lmac1 Posts: 13
    I'm not sure I have a dream EV any longer. After measuring the interior passenger compartment of a '01 EV GLS, I found the floor to ceiling height is now only around 53", compared to the 61" of my "90 Multivan. So, an EV is not for me.


    Anyway, I did see this site http://www.expatica.com/germanymain.asp?pad=190,230,&item_id=11159 for a German EV which is clearly NOT one I would dream about (if my math is right, I believe it comes to something like $76,000 US.

  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    Utility is cannot be measured with a skidpad or race track so it isn't sexy.

    These folks (reviewers) aren't much different than everyone else with Madison Ave. Groupthink. There's really two brands of automobile journalist out there: 1: The Road & Tracker who thinks everything should sit three inches off the ground and have a v12 biturbo, and 2: The Consumer Reporter who thinks everything should be small and preferably run on batteries.

    So every vehicle is compared to a Lamborghini (sp?) or Prius. And, of course, every vehicle falls short. Moreover, a fullsize van is just short of the dreaded, evil, assault SUV as anathema to the Consumer Reporter set, at least until they built a fullsize truck based vehicle out of recycled tofu and run it on batteries or biodiesel.

    As for "vans" neither of these folks really like them at all. If they must review a van, they prefer a momivan-- everything is compared to the Honda. Momivans should be low and built on a car chassis with tiny payloads and lots of power gadgets.

    You'll never see a kind word about any fullsize or midsize van because they simply do not value what these vehicles bring to the table.
  • Okay, so if you're 6 foot 4 and you'd love to get a new weekender or winnebago camper model, how do you alter the drivers seat so you can fit? The dealer doesn't know. Both models feature luxury seats that don't adjust vertically. Both have steering wheels that are fixed. Try to get into the cab, bump your head, jeeze. Then the knees sit so you can only drive with them and not the hands.

    Is there anywhere we can go to fix this or get a fix? We had our heart set on replacing the 78 camper that fits perfectly.

    Someone tell VW what a crappy deal this is. No way to fix means one less customer.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,451
    EuroVan is updated offspring of '60s VW bus

    Steve
    Host
    Vans, SUVs and Aftermarket & Accessories Message Boards

    Moderator
    Need help navigating? stever@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.

  • tjparkertjparker Posts: 25
    This one is much better, actually seeming to describe the vehicle in the title of the review.

    They did an okay job of describing the history of the transporter, though they are a bit off with the naming of the things. I don't remember seeing a sticker on any "barndoors" about a 50mph speed limit. It's possible, though (early microbuses had governors on the carburetor, but I never actually saw one still used on a daily driver). In fact, I was on a SOTO caravan in the mid-80's with a 52 microbus that kept up just fine at 55-60mph, and with the 25-horse engine at that. My 67 did fine up to 70mph, but the engine lasted a lot longer between overhauls if I kept it below 65. I ususally drove it at 60.

    It truly is great that VW dropped the prices of the 2001 EV by about $5K, but considering they were prepostrously priced before that, it only brought them in the range of other vans (including the dreaded "minivans") in price. Still pretty pricey for my blood, but I'm still thinking about going that route someday.

    I'd also have to spring for the $1k sunroof to keep the vehicle from getting too hot inside on summer days (but I paid half that for my 67 Microbus when it was only 8 years old). My 93 EV developed a crack in the windshield last summer when it got into the high 90's for a couple of days while the windows were buttoned up. Outside layer cracked because it was a lot cooler than the inside layer. The crack is about 18 inches long now.

    Heated seats? Sheez!

    An MV with a weekender package would be cool, but now we're well over $30K. Yikes! I could pick up 10 to 20 1967 Transporters for that.

    I just have to come out in defense of that rotating seatback adjuster, though. Ever try adjusting the seatback in a car with the conventional kind? The kind that releases the seatback so you fall suddenly if you "leave" your weight on it and don't let go of the lever quickly enough. End of comparison!

    15-20mpg for a mid size van isn't all that bad, and is all you could get from a Chevy Astro. Bigger vans suck more fuel, naturally, and cars (like so-called minivans) *sometimes*
    use less. No surprise there. Now if we could only get the TDI diesel, we could have 30+mpg and all that room to boot!

    The rest of the review comes out pretty favorable to the EV, actually.

    When I go to replace the 93 EV, I'd also like a 4x4 and a stick, so much so that I might just go ahead and bail on VW and buy a 4x4 crew cab Tacoma and use my 60 VW singlecab for hauling the big stuff. I'd truly like an old 4x4 collector vehicle instead (like about a 1988 VW Tristar), but can't see using one for long trips, so boring and new seems to be my only option.
  • osvaldoosvaldo Posts: 11
    I am looking to replace my Ford Expedition and think the Euro might do well. Problem is the only one around here is a very ugly White color. I know its not a pretty vehicle but I wish dealers had a better selection of these vans and especially the darker colors. I really enjoyed driving the white one but am not sure I can live with the styling. Its amazing how much room it has in a space narrower and shorter in length than my truck. It handles amzingly well and actually feels peppy. I can't seem to find much pictures of these vehicles on the web and the dealer brochure even is very unrevealing. Anyone with sites that show more pictures would be welcome.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,451
    Did you see Edmunds' link to photos?

    Steve
    Host
    Vans, SUVs and Aftermarket & Accessories Message Boards

    Moderator
    Need help navigating? stever@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.

  • carleton1carleton1 Posts: 560
    We got it from Bob Brunner Volkswagen on East Grand in December 1970. We loved some features and especially the scraper Bob Brunner himself gave us to scrape the frost from the inside of the windows in the winter when the "heater" did not provide heat to defrost the inside of the windshield. For us, the firm and well designed seats in all Volkswagens were a very nice feature.
    We got our next VW (a 1965 Kombi) in Neu Ulm, Deutschland. The 3rd Volkswagen was a NEW 1975 VW Rabbit from C.Pace Volkswagen in Laramie on South 15th Street since Clarence Pace had purchased the Laramie VW dealership from Bob Brunner. Got our 4th VW (used 1971 Bus) from a private party and our 5th and last, a used 1977 VW Bus in January 1979 from a VW dealer. That dealership was very incompetent and had mechanically ruined the 77 Bus. Their rotten, care less attitude tarnished the VW image. Hope you are enjoying your new Eurovan....which should give excellent service unless VW dealership mechanics ruin it.
    There are some VW dealerships that have outstanding mechanics. The mechanics at a different VW dealership fixed our 77 VW Bus so it would get 30 MPG whereas it got only 11.1 MPG on the highway at 50 MPH when we got it and the selling VW Dealership told us there was nothing wrong. Be very careful with whom you trust the maintenance of your excellent new VW.
  • I am so undecided, I'm torn between which car to buy. My choices are the Hyundai tiburon, the toyota celica, the civic, the VW golf 1.8T, and the Jetta 2.0. They are all around the 18-20 thousand range. What should i do??? Theya re all nice cars, and i'm a valet so i've driven all of them, but i don't own any. I need to know what problems i'll have 3 years down the line. Any help would be appreciated. Oh and what is the difference between a 1.8L T 4a and the 5m?? thanks.
  • Greetings all,

    I was wondering if anyone knew where I might see a photo of the fold down bed in the MV?

    And/or, could any MV owners describe the bed and their opinion of it?

    Many thanks!
  • I am looking to buy a new Eurovan. 2002's have been on dealer lots for about 3 weeks now, but no invoice prices are showing on Edmunds pages. Also, dealer tells me there is $750 dealer cash on 2001 models. Edmunds shows dealer cash in the amount of $1000 which expired 8/31/01. So, does anybody know anything about current dealer cash incentives. Apparently Edmund's is behind the times.
  • I don't think you will get any cash incentives on a 2002. You will get good prices on 2001s whether VW is giving any incentive or not. I just took possession of a 2002 Weekender today. The only difference between 2001 and 2002 models is the warranty and the depreciation factor, assuming that being able to say that a vehicle is 2002 rather than 2001 affects depreciation (in the insane auto world it does).

    I expect that you could end up with pretty identical situations by getting the best price on a 2001 and then putting the difference into extended warranty insurance. The best price on a 2001 at this point should be under $29,000 for a Weekender. I paid $30,069 for my silver 2002. I could have gotten the price down to $29,069 by going about 80 miles north of Seattle. Most dealers in the Seattle area wanted somewhere between $30,500 and $31,000 for a 2002.

    Good luck

    Dale
  • Test drove a 2001 EV and here are my impressions. Has plenty of power and the chasis handles extremely well, but it seems to have low feature content for the price range. I know VW has taken a step in the right direction by dropping prices and improving the engine output, but I still think they are a way off from offering a truly competitive model. Gripes: no tilt wheel, no leather wheel or shifters, poor radio, fixed seat that only slides fore & aft, rediculous mount for middle seats, lack of interior storage and (dare I say) cup holders, lack of curtain/head/side airbags. These features may have been endearing on the older VW models before other minivan choices were available, but they have no place being absent on a modern vehicle. I would not even look at this model if it were not for the MV with weekender option which makes this vehicle unique. Hopefully, VW will get it right in the next version of the bus coming in a year or so.
  • This vans best value is with the base model, no options. Beyond that the value slips.
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    Base model is not attractive, even to a VW nut like me. 4 captain chairs, but the crazy things don't recline!!!! You buy a van for long distance driving, right? And the seats don't recline?

    The new v6 is peppy. BUT, the thing gets less MPG than the small v8 in E150. Amazing.

    TDI. Forget it in USA. Manual tranny. Forget it. 4 WD. Forget it. Slider on the left (available in VW vans since the 50's). Forget it. All available in Europe. Forget it here.

    Eurovan is a pretty neat product, really. Very roomy. Front wheel drive package. Real payload and towing capacity. But it is available only in such idiotic packages here, it will never be successful. How could anyone be receiving a salary to make these product decisions?
  • jimjpsjimjps Posts: 146
    MRNIMMO you are exactly correct. VW is trying to "americanize" the Eurovan and the result is
    a what-the-hell-is-it unharmonious paradox. (see post 268). They would be well-advised to bring in Europe's hot-sellers and cater to the European-appreciative niche market in the US. The hot-seller would be a TDI with manual transmission, and how about the stretch Caravelle which is about 2 inches longer then the Odyssey and is comparable to an E150 in hauling space (this is the chasis the Winnebago camper is based on). There is no van available in the US with a manual tranny and they could bolster their meager sales with the inclusion of a manual tranny alone - there are lots of guys like me who feel driving with an automatic isn't driving. They could build on a small but loyal following with products they alrerady have instead of trying to turn a Eurovan into a Grand Caravan. But you are right, forget about it - they don't get it. PS. I only criticize because I like this car so much (with TDI and 5-speed).
  • My husband and I are relocating to Denver from the Washington, DC area in the next month or so. We promised ourselves we would get an RV when we moved West again -- but we're now having trouble seeing ourselves in a big, honkin' barge. I've now focused on an EV since it seems nimble while having the things we'd need to get off the road.

    I relied heavily on these Edmunds boards when buying my Passat a couple of years ago, and now I'm asking for help again. My memories of the Westfalia's of my "hippie" years stick in my head (refrigerator, sink, etc.) Can you get the EV's fitted out that way? Does VW do it or must one go through a "conversion" company?

    Since I'm in SUV/minivans country, we haven't found any EVs on VW lots. So, I'm sure we wouldn't find a camper van new. Are there areas of the country where you can go look at them?
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    from thecarplace.com on the Eurovan camper:

    http://www.thecarplace.com/01eurovn.htm

    Junebug, I think you'll find all of your questions answered in this review.


    Drew
    Host
    Vans, SUVs, and Aftermarket & Accessories message boards
  • Oh, my. I have to agree with the reviewer -- my generation will love the new concept design. I want one, bad. By the way -- I saw my very first EV commercial a week or so ago. It was good to see VW finally starting to market it in the US.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    You're welcome :-). Yes, I have seen the VW Eurovan commercials a few times now. The one that I've seen has a few kids riding in the back, and then they pick up a hitchhiker who goes to the cargo area, where we find out that they're all hitchhikers.


    Drew
    Host
    Vans, SUVs, and Aftermarket & Accessories message boards
Sign In or Register to comment.