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Chevrolet Cavalier

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  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Glad your dealer came through for you. Sounds like the letter paid off.

    Good luck with the car. Our 99 Cavalier goes back in 5 months (after a 3 yr lease). Not sure what's next, but the dealer said there was a $1000 "upgrade" credit towards a Malibu or Alero. Sounds like a possible plan if it's still on in June.
  • jpelderjpelder Posts: 235
    Congrats on the $400 victory. Is the Dealer eating this money?
  • Yes, I think dealer is paying it himself. He really didn't think. The day I went in there to pick up my deficient $2100 check, I said, "if I give you guys a perfect survey, will you give me the $400 rebate". The dealer said, "you mean you're gonna ding us if we don't", and I said "well, I'm gonna tell the truth." So, the dealer screwed himself by not realizing he should have done the right thing in the first place. I did slam him on the rebate, so I don't know what he was thinking, except about how he could make $400 bucks of some sheep, that turned out to be a wolf. Woooof.
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    Now get on with your life, please, :))
  • malibu99malibu99 Posts: 305
    The upgrade money is true. I believe it is there if you are upgrading and if you are staying with GM and using GMAC again. I got $2002 rebate + $1000 upgrade incentive + $650 loyal GMAC rebate for a total of $3652 off of my new Trailblazer. It should still be there when you go :-) Go for the Malibu, I loved mine and it was a great car but I needed an SUV for my needs up here in NE.
    Good luck!
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Which car did you trade? The Malibu or the Cavalier?
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Not sure about the U.S. but up here the $1000 upgrade credit is just for going from Cavalier/Sunfire to Malibu/Grand Am/Alero. If I get an Alero I will get another C$2000 Olds credit as we already have an Intrigue. Pretty good deal, but if we will need a van/SUV we may not go for it.
  • malibu99malibu99 Posts: 305
    The lease on my Malibu was up in 3 months so I traded early because the rebates and all covered the remaining payments and also went towards the new Trailblazer. The Cavalier is still on lease, comes off the lease in May 2003, so far it looks like it will be a keeper.
  • isseyvooisseyvoo Posts: 121
    Just took my '92 in for a coolant smell. Turned out the heater hoses were both leaking. Dealer also told me I needed to have my EGR valve service done (an allegedly 2 1/2 hr. job). I thought it was part of the major services at 30K intervals, but I guess not. Anyway, my pockets are now $430 lighter. Did I get hosed, or was this legitimate? Anyone know?
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    YOU got robbed!

    Your '92 could not possibly be under warranty anymore. Why are you taking it to the dealer for repairs?! Find a good area shop. You won't pay such a premium!

    Meade
  • joe3891joe3891 Posts: 759
    know the Cavaliers have no real problems.
  • jpelderjpelder Posts: 235
    Did they replace the EGR valve? It is a $60-80 part, and takes only an hour or less for an experienced mechanic to replace.

    At least you can be thankful you have a cavalier...replacing such a part on an import would have been much more expensive. How many miles on your cavalier?
  • 3871338713 Posts: 26
    Does anyone know if GM Performance parts makes performance upgrades for the base 2.2L engine? If so, what are they?
  • GM is planning to come out with 2.2 Ecotec parts. They had a modded one at the SEMA show in the fall.

    Also, they are campaigning a Cavalier drag car to go against Civics at import nats.
  • 3871338713 Posts: 26
    I know they have the ECOTEC parts, but I was just wondering if they had any for the base 2.2. Like maybe some kind of turbo or anythining to modify the base engine....
  • I've been reading some of the previous posts and somebody keeps insisting that the current Cavalier is a 20 year old design. The first generation J cars were from 82 to 94, the 95's were a total redesign, except for drivetrain which was carried over.

    An interesting thought about the first generation J cars...They may possibly be the most mass produced vehicle of all time. I know most people say it would be the model T with 15 million or the VW bug with 20 million, but if you add up all the J cars produced form 1982 to 1994 what's the total? After all, they were all basically the same vehicle whether it was a Cavalier, J2000, Firenza, Cimmaron, (what was the Buick called? can't remember....).
  • dweezildweezil Posts: 271
    the versions in Germany, Brazil, Japan, Great Britain etc. etc. etc.The Js were built all over the world. There were 3 million [US] as of the 95 intro and 225,000 to 300,000 every year after, at least through 2000.
    Part of the insistence that the "Cavalier is a 20 year old design" is that a lot of people aren't concerned about the credibilty of their statements, but prefer to post misinformation because it makes the story sound better. After all "everyone knows" those millions of Cavaliers out there were all "junk" who needs to be accurate? The R.L. Polk data claims [per the advertising] that "more of them are still on the road than any other small car". I see many many many of them here in the L.A. area from 82 on up. The Polk data is for registrations, which could also mean that one sitting in the weeds is still "registered".
  • joe3891joe3891 Posts: 759
    Go to j-body.org you will find out what you want to know.
  • The first gen FWD Ford Escort outsold the GM J cars. There are other "world cars" that beat them, also. When Opel came out with new Astras in the late 80's, the US J model was on it's own.

    Also, the Cimmarons and other look alikes didn't sell in big numbers to add much to the global totals.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    The basic architecture of the current J-body cars have changed little from their 1981 ancestors.

    The 1995 redesign was mainly body, interior and safety systems. The platform is still the same dated junk GM should have dumped back in 1986.

    The Opel versions of the Cavalier have nothing to do with the made in the USA J-body cars. The current Opel Astra rides on a platform that is 20 years ahead of that of the Cavalier.

    Justify your ancient cars all you want, instead of asking GM to bring a truly competitive world class small vehicle that can take it up with the Ford Focus, VW Golf/Jetta and Mazda Protege.

    No wonder GM keeps churning them out. Its customer base only wants a mediocre "Good enough" car to go by.

    Wake up J-body fans, this car is seriously outdated and out of touch with the market.
  • malibu99malibu99 Posts: 305
    Thank you for that profesional comment teo, maybe you can tell us how your 2nd Impala is doing, or you can tell us about your ISS when it needs replacing? Entertain us with your superior vehicle teo, tell us about the defects the Impala suffers from.

    Guys ignore this guy, he puts down just about any car that does not have a leeping deer on the trunk. Don't get me wrong, I love Chevy , but he new Impala is a disgrace to the Impala heritage, can't wait till Chevy replaces that heap with atrue Impala.
  • malibu99malibu99 Posts: 305
    Also Mr. Teo, be careful with calling people's cars junk, you don't know the situation of people, you could potentially insult someone who got a hand me down car because tehy are students or because they don't have money, so quit your "superior" attitude with your Impala wanna be, which is really a bad Lumina.
  • jpelderjpelder Posts: 235
    Teo, please do not take this the wrong way, but could you explain what you mean by outdated?

    Perhaps I am underinformed...if so please bring me up to speed. What specifically makes the cavalier platform junk?

    I do not buy into the idea that just because something is old, it is bad. It would help your argument to be specific. It may sound cool to repeatedly use phrases like "ancient", or other cars are "20 years" ahead, but it does little to convince those who think.

    Again, I am not necessarily saying that is what you are doing, since I know little about the platform issue. But a little information would be helpful to me!

    Thanks,

    John
  • ehaaseehaase Posts: 328
    I think that the original J body platform was identical, or very similar, to the platform used for the early 1980's Opel Ascona (now Vectra). I think that the J body platform was originally a world car platform. However, the Opel has been redesigned several times since.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    I didn't realize how old the Cav. was until I purchased an Elantra. Much larger inside, more pleasant, more amenities, much more comfortable, etc.

    In some ways the Cavalier is nastier than the old Topaz which is was nicely updated than the worst car I've ever owned an 86 Tempo. (I bought the Top. used for my daughter, the other two were new purchases.)

    Unlike my other daughter's 1990 Prizm, the Cav. could not be called a pleasant driving experience. It's like sitting in a bucket. But it gets you there.

    However, the Cavalier with the 2.2 engine has been fairly reliable. In 75K miles it's gone through a valve cover gasket, an ignition lock module (my fault for hanging too many keys off it) and an alternator. It gets 25+ mpg in mixed driving and burns little if any oil. I don't like automatic transmissions but the four speed was pretty nice. Other than 4000 mile oil changes-- $11.99 at Wal-Mart, get them to substitute the Wal-Mart filter for the standard Fram-- its cost me next to nothing in maintenance. The dealer assures me he's had no trouble backing the original spark plugs out for replacement even at 100K.

    If I lose my Hyundai keys with remote and the chip I'm out big bucks-- don't even want to think about it. I get the theft protection discount in the Cav. with a rather cheap system that uses 75 cent Wal-Mart keys. I also pay less for insurance since Cav. parts are readily available and in-expensive. Any boob will be able to fix it and mechanical parts like body parts should be available from a wide variety of sources.

    I mentioned the Topaz because that was an example of another crude car that was replaced with a far more sophisticated world car platform. The Contour/Mystique got great reviews, but it's shuttled off this mortal coil (at least in America) while the Cav. motors on. Sometimes that's not all bad. However, would I pay the same or more for a Cavalier when cars like the Elantra are available for the same money???-- no way.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Teo does the same thing on every site. I have seen it on this one, the Jetta board, and a couple other boards. I think everyone is to the point of ignoring him now.
  • Well, not all Impalas of the past were "memorable". The ones in the late 70's and early 80's were taxicabs, basically.

    Back to Cavalier. The interior and the noises to me make the car crude. It sells well, but only with rebates.

    When will a new one come that will sell without rebates?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Please, let's get beyond the personal comments. If you are unable to respond to a poster respectfully then just ignore the person. No one is going to keep trying to irritate you if you don't provide the encouragement of showing your irritation.

    So let's let it go and get our attention back on the Cavalier.

    Thanks.

    Pat
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    Sedans Message Board
  • adc100adc100 Posts: 1,521
    I replaced pluge at 65K in my sons Cav. They don't come out easy let me tell you.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    The crash test scores of the Cavalier tell the whole story on how outdated this platform is:

    www.iihs.org

    The minute GM stops giving $2500 rebates on the Cavalier just watch those things pile up in dealer lots catching dust.

    Tomcat: The Cavalier will sell again in quantities without hefty incentives when the next generation "Delta" Chevy Astra makes it to market in 2004.

    GM is hurting in the low end of the car market because its offerings are no longer competitive.

    Suggestion: Go and climb inside (and drive) a basic 2002 VW Golf GL 4-door. That car looks, feels and drives like a near luxury sedan, but it costs 50% less. My sister bought a new Golf 2 weeks ago...what a car! The interior, materials, fit and finish, handling, details and the whole cleverness of the design leaves the Cavalier in the dust. 6 Airbags, ABS, adjustable headrests in all seating positions, lap shoulder seats belts for everyone, incredible brakes. If VW can make a WORLD CLASS small car, why can't GM the NUMERO UNO manufacturer in the world?

    Bob Lutz: Please bring the Opels and pronto!
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