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Audi S4 and S4 Cabriolet

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  • creisscreiss Posts: 1
    Although I think I could handle the extra power of the S4, I'm not sure I can handle the price tag. Does anyone know how much extra horsepower, torque, etc. adding a chip to the 1.8t adds. Also, how much does a chip cost?
  • I think the 250hp is correct. Remember that two turbo's are small ones for quicker spool up. The 3000GT has bigger turbos so more hp.

    What is real impressive is the 258 lbs-ft of torque at 1850 rpms.

    And, I think it was a S8 they used in Ronin. Which is an awesome movie, BTW.
  • I've been driving 3 series BMW's for 12 years and, maybe I'm getting old, but after driving the new S4 I can't wait to trade my '97 M3 Sedan. The S4 may not be quite as "hair on fire, seat of your pants" as the M3 but it is certainly every bit as capable. I drove the S4 around a rutted, potholed cloverleaf at four times the posted speed limit and never felt a wheel out of place. I perform the same exercise regularly in my M3 and although the car has no problem succeeding in its appointed task the S4 seems to accomplish it with much less drama. Maybe that's what the automotive press calls "less sporting". I was also thoroughly prepared to be disappointed in the gearbox but found that criticism a bit over stated as well. I think that the lack of gearbox precision, the same press core refers to, is in comparison to a gearbox that, if memory serves me, they called "notchy" about six years ago. In any event if the M3's gearbox is a 9 the S4's is at worst an 8. I also can't ignore the fact that a loaded S4 costs about the same thing as a new 328i with Sport and Convenience packages and the rest of the options you have to purchase separately in the 328 to bring it up to S4 level (split fold-down rear seat as found standard in garden variety Honda Accords for example). Never mind the M3 which still runs on a seven year old platform. What you get with the S4 is AWD, an extra 55HP, torque NOW and standard everything. You give up "Key Memory" (the ultimate power seat machine). I can't wait to see the new M3, which I am sure will be an amazing 2-door coupe (BMW seems eager to abandon those of us who require 4 doors and won't say for sure if they will ever produce the sedan again) and cost $10K to $15K more than a comparably equipped S4, but I'm still waiting to see the new M5 which is supposed to be for sale now. I'm not holding MY breath. My S4 hits the beach in two weeks. I plan on burning up the standard Y rated Bridgestone re09 Potenza's and getting a set of Michelin Pilot SX's on it as fast as possible. Maybe that will make it more "sporting". I'll let you know how it goes.
  • I don't know what weight the quattro adds to the A4. The figures for the weight of the A4 2.8 in Edmunds new car section indicate it is 421 lbs. lighter than the S4. I am assuming that weight is sans quattro since it is an option on this model. As indicated, you have stated the A4 quattro is over 200 lbs lighter than the S4. Kind of hard to believe the quattro system only adds 200 lbs. Nonethe less, the turbo hardware/plumbing and a longer list of standard features (bigger wheels & tires, two power seats so more electric motors/wire, CD changer etc...) all add weight. Assuming everything else is equal (from what I have read Audi has not used any aluminum in the S4 vs. the A4) the S4 should be heavier than base A4 2.8 quattro.
  • Does anybody know the affect of these chips on the warranty? Does a company like Dinan exist for Audi's? I have just purchased a '97 A8 and am interested more in a transmission chip than an engine chip currently. (or would they be a set?) Any suggestions?
  • mgreene1mgreene1 Posts: 116
    my local dealer said he would will order you an S4 at MSRP. no more and no less.

    he wants a $1000 deposit, but he's only ordering them loaded (everything but navigation and phone)
    for $41,700 + tax.

    www.carpoint.com indicates MSRP should be $41,400 so he's at least in the ballpark.

    www.carsdirect.com price is $2000 above MSRP!?!
    they must be out of their minds.

    my insurance agent tells me the S4 is cheaper to insure than M3; just a little more than A4 2.8Q.

    it would be nice to find an S4 for MSRP (or less) without Bose and CD changer.

    S4 vs. IS300
    CAUTION: based on sketchy data and assumptions

    Lexus is saying IS300 will run about $30 - $35 k. IS300 MIGHT get a manual and it MIGHT have 225 hp (same motor as GS300); rumor says maybe even 245.
    i'd only consider a manual with at least 225 bhp.

    my guess is that a loaded IS300 would be closer to $35k than $30k. another $5k buys you an S4.

    IS300 will be rear drive and have 17" wheels but i'm not thrilled with the idea of driving around in the snow, even with snow tires.

    i'm assuming that the S4 with snow tires would be an excellent winter car even though it has a very low ground clearance. is that true?

    i'll probably still wait to see what happens with the Lexus IS300 next July, but it's looking like the S4 might well be worth the extra money.

    wishful thinking?
    is the body style for A4 was going to be changing a lot for 2001? if so, that MIGHT bring down the prices for the 2000 S4 next summer.
  • Excuse the ignorance but how do you go about choosing a chip for a car? Where do you get them and how much do they cost?
  • jwolffjwolff Posts: 19
    Visit a4.org where they have a forum that reviews all the different chips. Bang for the buck are the Neuspeed chips.
  • you can also find ECU chips and other performance options at vwvortex.com. once you have entered the main page click on the resources button in the upper left for a list of hot links.
  • Not to be repetitive but...

    Has anyone purchased an S4 below invoice? If so, can you share your strategy with us?
  • mgreene1mgreene1 Posts: 116
    I saw a recent post in the S4 forum at www.a4.org where someone said they just paid $550 below MSRP.
    (might have been in D.C. area, but I'm not sure.)

    That message board has a lot of recent posts and there may be other price info / advice there.

    Happy hunting.
  • skightskight Posts: 1
    I was offered 1k under invoice from a number of dealers. Dont expect to get a walkon and drive off for 1k under though. If you want it next week you will pay msrp. if you want it in december. 1k is easy.

    HBL, and Tischer offered 1k under.

    week 40 black/onyx-silver. Comfort, convenience, bose (ugh, didnt want it but..) and nav. Should have a vin on saturday, mid-late november delivery.
  • roane1roane1 Posts: 3
    $1000 Under Invoice or Under MSRP?

    $1000 under invoice would be a deal, like $35k
    out the door.
  • roane1roane1 Posts: 3
    $1000 Under Invoice or Under MSRP?

    $1000 under invoice would be a deal, like $35k
    out the door.
  • cmoreacmorea Posts: 1
    I found a dealer west of Philadelphia that is offering me 3% under MSRP (41K for a 43K car). You can email me for the name of the dealership (I will get a small kickback to pass on their name or so I hope). disaster@usa.net
  • moishemoishe Posts: 1
    Checked out some dealers in Cincinnati. They want MSRP and to order color and style I want, delivery in January. 500 dollar deposit and pay on delivery.

    Anyone heard better in this area?
  • The dealer where I drove the S4 last night told me of mods his customers have had done on 1.8Ts.

    He even gave me a list of mods that went from 193HP for $575 (installed) to 265HP. 215HP is about $1500 and includes a muffler (but no exhaust system change). This is advancedmotorsport.com here in SoCal. They haven't yet posted the available options for 2.7T mods.

    There are a number of places on the web where I've found many performance upgrade options from hundreds to thousands of dollars that promise increases of 70HP or more from a chip upgrade alone (tap1.com). There are a few other companies I've found on the web that currently promise 50HP on the 1.8T chip, but don't have any data on the 2.7T option yet.

    I'm only hoping that the upgrades will eliminate the small turbo-lag in mid-RPM off-throttle response... 'course a zippier car wouldn't hurt either!

    gregoryx@exo.com
  • roane1roane1 Posts: 3
    This has a S4 forum, so you can ask all kinds
    of questions about the S4. Also, 0-60 mph is
    closer to 5.6 seconds.
  • uworduword Posts: 1
    I must withdraw my comments (post #48) on the handling of the new S4.

    I went back to the dealer the day after my disappointing test drive. As I stood there looking at the car, I suddenly realized that the tires were shining black. Indeed, the RE-040's had been "cleaned-up" with Armor-All; right to the outer tread blocks, and right before my test drive. Anyone who has driven a vehicle so treated knows that when you turn the front wheels the lubricant will slip under the tread, and reduce traction to near zero. Hence, the car will follow its own momentum regardless of AWD or anything else.

    So, no-thanks to my dealer for ruining my first test drive. I tried again, and found the vehicle handling to be just fine. The fore/aft weight balance is actually supposed to be 1% better on an S4 than on an A4 1.8T.
  • Anyone have any thoughts on the S4 with the 5 spd tip? I live in So Cal and while I do enjoy shifting my '96 M3, it does get tedious in traffic. If the Tip is made by Prosche, it seems it ought to be pretty decent.
  • In response to #49: actual s4 tests yield 5.5 to 5.6 sec 0-60 times. Peak torque at 1850 rpm is at least part of the answer to the "how can it accelerate so fast" question. You are far from the first to ask the actual HP question. Only a dyno will tell.
    I presently drive an M3 and have driven the S4 twice. I feel the S4 is a superior car for spirited everyday driving. The M3 may be more fun 3 days a year but the roads where I live are about as far from the track as you can get. In the world of ruts, potholes, and expansion joints that I live in the S4 excels. I can't say for sure until I've had the S4 on the track which I prefer there. The M3 has a go-cart personality that is definitely absent in the S4.
    The weight issue is not an apples to apples comparison. Compare the S4's weight to the new, comparably loaded 328i's and you will find only a 100 lb. discrepancy. Don't forget that a base M3(400 lbs. lighter) is equipped more like racing car than a luxury car. Manual seats, no folding rear seat, no glass sun roof, no keyless entry, etc. AWD more than makes up for the other 100 lbs.
    Y rated 225's were probably a ride quality decision. Euro S4's have Z-rated p zero's from what I've read.
  • matthkmatthk Posts: 3
    Curb weight on the new 328's is about 3250 lbs. The S4 is listed in Car and Driver as 3620 lbs. Seems like I saw this 3600 lbs somewhere else though I could not find the weight at A4.org or the Audi site. Anyway, unless it's a error, there is almost 400 lb gap between 328 and S4 which would not be narrowed appreciably by any of the BMW options(manual). I made an earlier post that it seemed like an error since the S4 weighs 220 lbs more than the 3380 lb for the A4 quattro.
  • I have been waiting for the S4 to be available... since I have been a Audi/VW fan for a while.

    I currently have a '94 325i that I have had a few Dinan things done to is: Level 3 suspension, chip, cold air intake & throttle body. My car has apros 220 hp & 215 fl/lbs of torque... and drives harder and edgier than an M3

    The new S4 is a VERY torqueie car off the line! Press the throttle and instantly the car lunges ahead... much like a V8 Mustang. My 325 (with the Dinan cold air ram) waits about a 1/4 second to gulp some air before the power comes on off the line. I felt the Audi's shifter was a bit vague...

    but it was the Quattro that really impressed me. I took a downward sweeping off ramp at 70... and I could feel power shifting to keep the car on track. The stock tires are better left for winter use... this car could really use some Pole Positions!

    I am currently trying to decide if I should take the plunge and sell my modified BMW and try the Audi....

    1) although I feel the S4 is fast off the line, it is not as fast as I would like. I have emailed some tuners to see how fast this car could be EASILY made... if I can get 300 hp (chip +50 hp) for $500... and 350 hp (intake & exhaust +50 more) for another $1500 THAT would be a KILLER deal for a 350 hp car. to do the same with a 2000 m3 would take $8,000 for a supercharger... and a 340 hp 2002 M3 will cost $50,000 out of the box...

    2) almost everything else about the car: interior styling; hip, trendy outside look, is excellent. Breaks are good. Suspension has a bit too much roll, but sport springs & roll bars should solve that. The interior leather is VERY nice.

    3) I HATE limited availability cars... probably why I bought the BMW instead of a 240 hp Cobra Mustang in '94... one thing I don't need in my life is attitude from an Audi dealer!

    http://homepage.interaccess.com/~dkelly/my325i.htm
  • I stand mildly dyslexic and corrected. The 328i does in fact curb at 3250ish lbs. Sorry!
  • Anyone have the 0-60 times, etc for the S4 with a tiptronic? Anyone testdrive or buy this version?
  • Hi all!

    I was searching on A4.org. Look at this post (link down below) by someone who was at a track. I think he works at a dealer. But then again he could be lying.

    My brother has an M3 and I love how fast it is, so I've been looking for a dealer who has one, otherwise it looks like a long wait

    http://www.a4.org/forum/m/s4/11173.phtml
  • Hi all!

    I was searching on A4.org. Look at this post (link down below) by someone who was at a track. I think he works at a dealer. But then again he could be lying.

    My brother has an M3 and I love how fast it is, so I've been looking for a dealer who has one, otherwise it looks like a long wait

    http://www.a4.org/forum/m/s4/11173.phtml
  • Has anyone received lease prices on an S4? I received a quote from a dealer on Friday and it seems extremely high. For a 3yr lease($41K) with no down payment, $25K one time pre-payment or $744/month for 36 months. (Both leases were 15K miles per year). The dealer explained that the car has a low residual value after three years. The cars appear to be readily available (several in stock), but that is simply more than I care to spend for three years usage of a vehicle.
  • Has anyone received lease prices on an S4? I received a quote from a dealer on Friday and it seems extremely high. For a 3yr lease($41K) with no down payment, $25K one time pre-payment or $744/month for 36 months. (Both leases were 15K miles per year). The dealer explained that the car has a low residual value after three years. The cars appear to be readily available (several in stock), but that is simply more than I care to spend for three years usage of a vehicle.
  • laufulaufu Posts: 1
    I was looking wondering how this car compared to other "sports sedans". Has anyone ever compared the S4 to the Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 or the Subaru Legacy B4. All 3 have AWD and twin-turbos but I think the Subaru is a 4 cylinder.

    Anyone have performance info on the 3 cars?
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