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Off hand, I can't think of ANY cars which are equipped (from the factory) with BOTH Run-flat tires AND a spare.
Now, whether or not Honda's decision to equip the Touring model with Michelin PAX tires was an intelligent decision or not is certainly debatable.....but probably in a different forum than 'Van Gas Mileage'.....
Yep. Availability is very limited (although I believe that Nissan has started to offer the PAX system as on option on all their Quest minivans starting w/ the '06 models).
Bought 2006 Honda Odessey Touring DVD and NAV end of Sept 2005. Gas mileage is terrible - 13-15 mpg around town (same as my 2002 Suburban) and 24-25 on highway (OK, I get 18-19 on highway with my Suburban), not the 18 around town and 28 on highway they claimed and Honda had on sticker.
Sorry but last thing that bugs me, no spare with Touring model. I know all the reasons but gosh can't I at least get a spare tire with my brand new $38,000 car so I can at least put it on myself to drive to a dealer to get my fancy tire/wheel combo? I know it may damage the vehicle if you're a distance from a dealer to get replaced but what happens if you're out in the middle of desert, you get a flat, you're cell phone or other communication doesn't work? You can't even put a spare on the vehicle because you don't have one!! Thanks Honda.
Sorry, but never again a Honda. They really disappointed me. I have other issues with my new Odessey but I'll write that in a different forum.
Thanks
I hate to admit it, but shouldn't you have considered the lack of a spare before spending nearly $40k? Seems like I'd have to have known that before laying my money down.
Also, when you don't have that cell phone in the desert, you are supposed to run on your flat tire, hence the name of the technology. The tire doesn't fall to the rim, the sidewalls support the car a considerable distance.
My Sienna now has 1470 miles which would have been measured 1560 miles in the Odyssey. Using the 1560 miles the Ody registered divided by gasoline used in my Sienna, the overall AVERAGE mileage would be 28.9 MPG...instead of the 27.2 MPG calculated. The Trip Computer reads 28.1 MPG overall average which is higher than manual calculation but lower if I used the erroneous mileage that the Ody would have read.
Now I wonder if reports of the Ody mileage is based on ACTUAL miles driven or the higher miles that the inaccurate Ody odometer registers?
Regardless, if the Ody is reporting higher than actual distance traveled and its still reporting bad gas mileage ... that's really bad.
Now I need to check the obvious: Drive the T&C on a mileage check to compare with the Sienna.
Maybe all 3 are in error?
I think I would get better gas mileage in the Ody if I drove it on a trip than my son has reported for his trips.
To the individual who wrote the following:
"I hate to admit it, but shouldn't you have considered the lack of a spare before spending nearly $40k? Seems like I'd have to have known that before laying my money down.
Also, when you don't have that cell phone in the desert, you are supposed to run on your flat tire, hence the name of the technology. The tire doesn't fall to the rim, the sidewalls support the car a considerable distance."
Yes, I did look into the spare as I wanted to know where it was located and what type of spare was included. That's when I found out there wasn't any AND yes, I did ask the dealer to include a spare and guess what, they wouldn't because they said I got a great deal on the vehicle and if I wanted the spare, it would cost extra. YES, I was ready to walk away and believe me I wasn't happy but I had looked around for approx. 3-4 months for this particular model (dark blue exterior, gray leather interior, touring, NAV, DVD) and just simply couldn't. And YES, I do know you can drive the vehicle with the "apparent" flat tire but the fact is what happens when you're driving on a Saturday night, you're tires get slashed by lingering metal in the road, you drive howe say the 5 miles, park the car in the garage, and the next morning your tire is completely flat and you can't drive it nor do you have a spare to put on the vehicle to get to the dealer. Luckliy, it happened at home but not out in the desert.
thanks, :mad:
john
This won't happen with run-flats. The tires won't collapse - even with zero tire pressure. (Wasn't this explained in the post you quoted?) I think your frustration comes from misunderstanding the technology. That van doesn't have a spare tire because it doesn't need a spare tire.
Now there is a valid argument that you could get a flat on a Sunday with few tire stores open and even fewer with run-flats in stock. The limited range allowed on the flat tire could put you in a bind.
This is what Chrysler means when it says on top of what looks like the air filter "remove to service air filter".
Not very intuitive, but I hope my description helps.
i wonder what your net effective increase in MPG was JUST because of the filter alone! if it were 10-20% that would be a wow!
trust us, it is an objective method. the more variables you control, the more objective your result. for example, if you try the first tank at 65MPH highway, then the second at 80MPH highway, and the third all city, you're wasting your time right?
well no. dtownfb keeps a logbook. in this way, he can see the vehicle's fuel economy trend and determine if its degrading (during break-in, if it is improving). if you did this you might want to mentally estimate approx city/hwy mix and write that down too. you'd also capture the date and the overall mileage on the vehicle. if you are a real junky at it, you note when certain service is done like oil change, air filter change, sparkplugs, new tires, A/T flush, etc. if you are excessive compulsive, you note stuff like average temperature, humidity, brand and grade of gas, spending money in your wallet, waist size, etc.
but seriously, while i do not do this for every tank, doing it periodically is a good idea, and you dont have to go so far as to average 3 tanks. some idea of your economy baseline can be helpful for you to detect a possible problem requiring maintenance.
Mileage is higher when A/C is not needed, vehicle is well maintained, and tire pressure is correct.
I do get up to 20-24 MPG on highways, up to 420-440 miles in a full tank in favorable conditions.
HK
I am very pleased with both the power and fuel economy of our 2006 Sienna.
For 15-20K it was 22.9.
For 20-25K, despite winter and having snow tires (Michelin X-Ice) average was 23.1.
The highest single tank we've recorded is 27.5 mpg, on a trip from NH - Boston - CT - NH that was mostly highway 65-75mph and the AC on recirculate.
The 3.5l Nissan engine is AWESOME!
Someone mentioned poor mileage in the city. We also have a 99 Caravan (not Grand). With a lot of short trips in cold weather and idling at traffic lights, our average can dip to 15mpg in winter. If we take a highway trip, it's 22+mpg, so you may just be facing the winter and city driving.
Also folks here are highly variable in how they record mpg. We keep fuel logs of exactly how much fuel is purchased and the elapsed mileage. Others here look at the readout, or SWAG it. So YMMV.
We have two friends with nearly identical Chevy Suburbans. One says he "gets" 18mpg because that's what it was the one time he checked it. The other guy logs fuel use and averages under 14 - under 12 around town. YMMV.
Last tank dropped to only 23.8 MPG with more city driving than previous tanks. Highest was 36.0 MPG in a controlled test drive with speeds about 55 MPH. Lowest ever was 22.4 MPG in cold weather of late February.
Cold weather and stop and go driving lowers the gas mileage rapidly. The Sienna idles when first starting at the same RPM as driving 60 MPH on the open road.
How many miles did you drive at about 55 mph during the drive? Was it level ground? How big a load?
And how did you arrive at the 36 mpg? Was it the computer display? Or miles divided by gallons used at fillup? Or estimated by fuel gauge?
As stated, the maximum possible gas mileage is MUCH higher than the overall average of 26.1 MPG in first 2300 miles.
My test was to show myself the "potential" mileage under ideal conditions. Ideally, a round trip of 500 or 600 miles would be more accurate but I could never drive at or about 55 MPH for that long. My time is worth more than the cost of the extra gasoline burned driving at or above the posted speed limits.
'06 Honda Odyssey EX-L R&N
I believe 36 mpg at 55. I get about thirty going 65.
I believe a 2006 Odyssey will get mileage just as high as the 2006 Sienna under the same conditions and the GC SE or T&C LX with 3.3L V6 will get only 1 MPH less than our Sienna or Odyssey with a 5 speed AT. The GC SXT or T&C Touring with 3.8L V6 would get about 2 MPG less than our Sienna or Odyssey under same driving conditions.
I am NOT going to drive 55 MPH for an entire 1400 mile trip to save a few dollars getting 36 MPG when I can drive at 65 MPH and get close to 30 MPG or drive at 75 MPH and get 25.9 MPG.
Where is the speed limit 55 mph on Interstates? Please do not be a traffic hazard by driving 55 mph in a 65 mph or 70 mph or 75 mph speed limit zone to squeeze a little better gas mileage. Most serious accidents are caused traffic traveling at different speeds. If you are doing 55 mph in a 70 mph zone you are a hazard. Plain and simple.
As I said, I am NOT going to drive 55 MPH just to get high gas mileage when speed limits are 65, 70, or 75 MPH on the Interstate or Freeway.
but forget and drive aggressively or tow a trailer then you can watch your mpg go down the drain... we get around 19 mpg in the city with bad traffic. so we are very happy as we drive 1200 miles a week every week .
If EPA shows 18 MPG HY, It would be impossible to do 36 MPG even at 55MPH drive. If Sienna could do that, it would be a headline. Let's not kid ourselves. Right Fred222?