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They are very tempting to me, but I prefer ownership for the time being. I like Lexus first, BMW a close second, Audi an even closer third, but I don't really care for Mercedes and have never actually wanted one (except for the time that I wanted a 1984 300SD as a teenager ONLY because it was far and away one of the most reliable vehicles on the road according to CR ).
You definitely got a great deal on your lease!
And totally worth it.
'06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
I saw several months ago there was one guy on leasetrader.com who had the same equipped 2005 545i and was paying around $1050 a month vs. my $673. Ouch!
I do believe I have the reputation of being a mild irritant around here.
When these things happen now, I simply fix/clean what I can and go about my business.
Considering the price difference, shouldn't Mercedes be doing everything better than Lexus, and not the other way around?
DrFill
But, I can surely understand your potential anxiety.
My last BMW had a scratch put on it (probably from a Lexophile) of about 2 inches in length. They didn't bother me about it.
But they do expect new or almost new tires, so now I put them on 2 years into the lease so at least I get some use out of the tires in year 3, whether I need them or not.
link title
All for only 27 months! Unfortunately, the S550 is not included - but I would not expect it to offer special lease rates this early in its current model run.
I enjoy the Hpowers needling of the Lexites, as well as the Drfill jabs at us. [German geeks] I just went at it with Houdini and his lovely grandmother for goodness sakes. Please don't worry about me being offended.
And now back to our regularly scheduled roasting......
Are we still on this? Yes, that is correct, and the bottom line is that Toyota/Lexus's OVERALL rating is now officially lower... a small dent in the Toyota/Lexus bubble.
TagMan
Especially when buying cars!
But it is best to stay with the reason when posting, please.
TagMan
Back on topic, according to R & T Magazine, the LS460 is on even footing with the S550 in their performance tests, except for the breaking distance. The tested LS is almost 40K cheaper.
LS460 ............. S550
0−60 mph
5.6 sec ............. 5.7
0−¼ mile
14.0 sec ............. 14.2
Top speed
130 mph* ............. 130
Skidpad
0.80g ............. 0.80
Slalom
59.9 mph ............. 60.1
Minimum stopping distance
From 60 mph 143 ft ........... 130 ft
From 80 mph 251 ft ........... 229 ft
Total swept area 554 sq in. ........... 580 sq in.
Swept area/ton 248 sq in. ........... 246
Idle in neutral 38 dBA ........ 48 dBA
Maximum in 1st gear 66 dBA ........ 66 dBA
Constant 50 mph 61 dBA ........ 62 dBA
Constant 70 mph 65 dBA ........ 66 dBA
test conditions
Temperature 101˚ F .......... 65
Humidity 29% ........... 19
Elevation 350 ft .......... same
Wind calm ............ same
Location Irvine, California .......... same
Turning circle 35.4 ft .......... 40.0 ft
Price as tested $67015 ......... $106745
Impossible!
TagMan
Was that on a short LS460 or a long-wheelbase LS460L? Because only the LS460L can appropriately be compared to the S550. The price would be much closer and the performance results completely different for the LS460L... Afterall, the LS460 and LS460L do not have the same performance specs.
TagMan
Absolutely, it is lower with the new tests than it was before. But is it lower than how people on this board perceived Lexus to be, safetywise, before ever looking at the IIHS data? I doubt it. Few here would have seen Lexus as producing safer sedans than say, MB. Certainly none of the germancarfans. Yet even with the "now officially lower" safety ratings, Lexus sedans look safer than MB's! Tell me you're not surprised by that.
When MB gets around to introducing an S450, it follows that we should then ignore any comparo of the LS460 to the S550, including the C&D comparo, right?
That's how I see it.
TagMan
It is more logical to compare similar vehicles, when possible, IMO.
TagMan
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
The point I tried to make in this post is that TMC didn't have "the worst ratings" for rear crashworthiness. It had the worst rear crashworthiness ratings among the subset of cars that had TOP marks for front and side crashworthiness.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Keep spinning. IIHS introduced a new criteria that practically snags everyone except for perhaps a few Swedish models. How does that affect the relative ranking of Lexus vs. MB vs. BMW at all??
Not exactly. The significant difference is that the L stands for long wheelbase. The S550 is a long wheelbase vehicle by default, so when comparing the LS to the S550, the LS460L is the logical choice.
The long wheelbase model will perform differently, so the test comparo data would be more meaningful and revealing of the true differences between the models had the LS460L been used.
TagMan
You keep spinning. Be brighter, brightness.
the bottom line is that Toyota/Lexus's OVERALL rating is now officially lower..
That statement means lower overall as compared to its own previous rating prior to the additional criteria. It is the additional study's results that lowered Toyota's overall rating... relative to itself, not other vehicles.
It is entirely possible for a vehicle to get a lower score than it previously had and still be ahead of some others. In this case, that is exactly what has happened to Toyota/Lexus. This is not hard to understand.
TagMan
This test was misleading and worse than meaningless. Please hold off on your crowing until a real LS 460L can be compared.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Your perspective is fine, but I think some of the others may have misunderstood the meaning of the article's bottom line.
The bottom line is the same and will not change no matter what any of us say.
Due specifically to it's bad showing in the latest study, Toyota/Lexus's newest overall rating has become lower than it used to be. That's just the way it is.
TagMan
I think everyone here looks forward to all the comps. The more the better, as it will give us all a broader consensus view of the differences between these HELCs.
Some negative attributes of the LS appear to be true already, but certainly it will be interesting to see if the future tests redeem those issues somehow. I have no problem with that. I'm good with whatever the results are... even if they ultimately suggest that the LS460L kicks the S550 in the butt, although I personally doubt that it ever will. It won't bother me a bit. I'm not going to buy an LS no matter what the test results, so if they are horrible or great, no problem for me. I do believe, however, that those results might help others to make an important purchase decision.
TagMan
Yup and so does Lexus as Blkhemi pointed out:
Now that $459/mth '06 LS430 sounds extremely good right about now....
Unfortunately I was not able to get a good lease deal or a purchase price discount on my BMW335i.
I envy you folks down south for your great auto deals. Here in Canada we have higher MSRPs, higher invoice pricing and not so tempting lease terms when compared to the USA. Here in Canada it is tough to get deals on cars like the MB CL, SL, BMW 6 Series and ofcourse the MB S Class since these cars have very low dealer turn rates . In fact the only cars that sell faster than these luxury cars are Yarises, Fits and Accents.
Good luck in trying to get a good deal among the above mentioned cars. Especially if you are Canadian
TagMan
And buying the car from the USA and bringing it to Canada can be a real headache. Duty/customs costs in terms of time and money, warranty issues and metric conversions.
TagMan
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
First time I've ever seen you using the "eh" word! Amazing that you avoided doing so for so long.
For example:
Cadillac DTS got G/A/P in front/side/rear while Volvo s80 got G/NA(not tested)/G. So you know Volvo's rear got much better score than DTS, and the side score could put it anywhere in the list. Maybe better (as good as Audi A6?), or maybe worse. So everyone "below" volvo , including BMW 5, Accura RL..are "unknown".
That's just my take on this list..
So a revised listing would be:
The ratings of OVERALL crash safety in the IIHS "large luxury cars" category:
1. Audi A6
2. Lexus GS
3. Infiniti M35/M45
4. Mercedes E class
5. Cadillac DTS
And for their "midsize luxury/near luxury cars":
1. Audi A4
2. Saab 9-3
3. Lexus IS
4. BMW 3 series
5. Lexus ES 350
6. Acura TL
7. Volvo S60
8. Mercedes C class
9. Saab 9-5
10. Acura TSX
11. Lincoln MKZ
12. Jaguar X-Type
If your vehicle is less than 15 years old and was manufactured for sale in the U.S., you must first determine whether it qualifies for importation. Transport Canada's Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) program ensures that qualifying vehicles are modified, inspected and certified to meet Canadian safety standards.
Upon arrival at Customs, a qualifying vehicle will be entered into the RIV program. The registration fee is $197 in Quebec and $182 in other provinces. Within 45 days, the vehicle must be altered at your expense to meet Transport Canada requirements (it may need daytime running lights and metric labels for instruments, for example). You won't be able to register and license the car in Canada until it is modified and inspected. The RIV Web site contains a list of eligible vehicles and detailed information about typical modification and inspection requirements.
Cover-up? Attack?
Sounds like words from the Pentagon and not from this forum.
BTW, I always referred to the bottom line as being relative to itself. Someone else, perhaps you, thought about it being relative to other makes. So..the bottom line still can not change, no matter what anyone ever says, including you.
Just because you now finally understand the true meaning of the bottom line doesn't entitle you to use words like "desperate, snide, cover-up or attack" in reference to me. That is WAY too personal my friend and has no place on this forum.
You need to let up on the Starbucks or something. Way too serious and insulting I might add... and I suggest that you do not go down that road again, or the HOST won't take too kindly to it either, and you will ruin this forum for all of us. To disagree is OK, but do it without the personal insults! Got it?
TagMan
Absolutely true. Volvo was once almost exclusive in its quest for building the safest vehicles. That is certainly not the case any more. Good point.
TagMan