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Oh really. For an ad man you surprise me.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Oh really. For an ad man you surprise me.
Doc, my meaning was that "Lexus dominance" means nothing TO ME PERSONALLY. Sorry for the confusion. Of course, results from ads are important. That goes without saying. Leave it you to catch me, though. You didn't let me down.
TagMan
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Too darn easy-going for ya, eh?
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Heck, I even agreed with the DOC earlier. Absolute proof.
TagMan
I'm pretty lucky about the timing of my 545i lease expiration.
There are so many fantastic choices either out there now or coming soon, that I will only lease for 2 years or shorter (if they allow it). I want to experience as many of these great vehicles as I can.
As nice as that Twin Turbo engine seems to be, I'll bet it is more thrilling in the 3-series.
And... you and I, blkhemi, dewey, houdini (I think), and others have been waiting a long time for really great diesels to come stateside. I would expect it would be hard for you to pass up one of them.
How fortunate you are to have such an upcoming dilemma... we could all use those kinds of problems.
The closer these cars get, the more exciting it all seems... Finally.
TagMan
I would have to do a great selling job on the dismal 11 cu ft of trunk space since I do a lot of airport duty.
The British press has been raving about the 335id coupe and I read somewhere that a more powerful 335id engine is coming next year.
It's going to be a tough call with all these great vehicles coming to market next year.
I feel sorry for ya'
It'll be fun watching you change your mind a couple hundred times before making the final decision.
TagMan
If that's the one I'm thinking of, I actually thought it was a good looking vehicle with graceful lines, as I recall... unless I'm thinking of something else.
TagMan
There is very serious talk of a monster diesel in the R8. What a dream car that will be, if it happens.
TagMan
Could use the space of an SUV, but would hate to drive a vehicle that large and heavy even if it would be the 4.8 L X5. I do believe I would regret it.
I would be interested in any BMW diesel that comes along at that time. Of course, that decision would be affected by whether I have to drive to Pittsburgh to re-fuel. :surprise:
And I may test drive the A8 if I see some good leasing deals out there.
Yes, the next time around will be the most exciting.
However, whatever my choice turns out to be, I won't be driving it for more than 2 years.
The rear should please most folks.
Shows BMW corporate can listen.
Now about that thing you call iDrive....
Yes, the next time around will be the most exciting.
However, whatever my choice turns out to be, I won't be driving it for more than 2 years.
Ah, yes, by all means add the A8... great car.
However, by the time you are ready, the "list" will be more like a scroll of candidates.
Would you turn down that diesel if the shortest lease were 3 years? Or are you sure there will be a two-year term available?
BTW, how many total cars do you and the wife drive, or expect to drive?
TagMan
One good thing; my wife has become totally accustomed to BMW's and wants nothing else. She protested loudly when I test drove the LS430 and GS430 in 2005.
BMW offers 2 year leases on all their vehicles, no exceptions, with incredibly high residuals of 72% or better for 24k miles on many of their vehicles. The X3 2 year lease residual is currently 77%.
I don't believe the BMW leasing protocol will change with the arrival of the diesels, but a minimum 3 year lease would be a deal-breaker.
If BMW ever decides to go with 18 months, I'm knocking on their door.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
"While Volkswagen and Mercedes already sell diesels in the U.S. market, BMW has no plans to do so any time soon and declines to use the BLUETEC name, currently being used to help sell Mercedes-Benz E 320s that run on ultra low sulphur diesel in the U.S.
The world's biggest premium carmaker, a fierce rival of DaimlerChrysler's luxury Mercedes brand, first wants to develop a urea-based technology to reduce nitrogen oxides before considering a sustained entry into the U.S. diesel market."
From Reuters, Nov. 22, 2006
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From Autoweek, Dec. 7, 2006
You can bank on it. There is enough publicity already, and it makes too much sense. Given their position, they could not make such a blunder and leave it to the rest. And being BMW, they will offer a terrific one at that.
hpowders may be the first one here to actually own (lease) it.
TagMan
I completely understand the emotion associated with that post. I think it is incredibly common now in this country.
Recent survey showed Americans wanting a mandated 40 mpg average for cars sold here. Talk about a potential diesel market!
Unfortunately, the urge to have a second high mpg vehicle for "emergency" needs to be evaluated. First, it is only the difference between the current mpg useage and that 50 mpg that would be the statistically significant number.
Then there is the acquisition of that second vehicle itself. So, if you must spend, let's say, $18,000 - $28,000 for an upcoming theoretical economical diesel that gets an additional real-life 20 mpg over your current vehicle... then the price of the acquisition will take many, many years before you would ever see the monetary benefit...if ever.
Instead, consider purchasing or leasing an actual replacement car that serves as your full-time driver... One that gets terrific mpg's.
Frankly, hpowders approach to the upcoming marketplace is quite brilliant. If leased as a diesel.. a short term obligation with reasonable payments, and terrific mileage, and all in a great performing well-appointed vehicle... how does it get much better than that!!? And.. in two years comes the next best thing. Freakin' brilliant. It really is.
Heck, I might just be talking myself into doing the same thing!
TagMan
With all the new technology coming at us at a fever pitch, I want to drive as many of these great new vehicles as I can. A 2 year (or shorter) lease with a high residual seems the way to do it for me.
We'll see about the first to drive a diesel in the HELC thread.
That would be quite an honor!
On the BMW threads, I would probably be #262!
The 335id sound intriguing-all that power with great mpg.
I agree. BMW will not let MB bring BlueTec here without an appropriate response.
Let the diesel wars begin!
As exclusive as the upcoming LS500hL might be, I have recently updated my position on this vehicle as too RISKY.
And, as a side bar, the styling is bland enough even by today's standards, that in five more years, the styling could look too old to warrant it's initial giant price tag... and of course the technology will certainly have improved hugely, if not even completely changed, by that time, leaving the vehicle's powertrain technology much closer to the risk of becoming somewhat obsolete, or at a minimum outdated.
LS600hL? - move with CAUTION!
TagMan
TagMan
It's all over the place here... only thing missing is the cars... we (and 4 other states) have to wait an extra year.
TagMan
Here's the list of the 2007 All-Stars:
2007 Automobile All-Stars
Here's a quote and the direct link to the S-Class:
This latest S not only addresses every single criticism we've mentioned, it moves the bar for this class virtually out of sight. That's depressing if you work for Lexus or BMW but mighty good news for fans of undiluted German motoring pomp.
All-Star: 2007 Mercedes S-Class
Anyway, I'll just post it, and you'll have to excuse me if I don't put a cheerleader spin on it and if I don't get out the pom-poms, all the while gulping Kool-Aid and yelling "Mercedes dominates the designation of benchmark"... blah, blah, blah.
TagMan
XC90 SE Sport starts @ 36K GBP or 72K USD
XC90 Executive starting @ 46K GBP or 90K USD to 100K+ for the V8 edition - WOW
UK Release News
The XC90 SE Sport looks somewhat like the Porsche Cayenne.
Might not match the Cayenne S in performance but the XC90 sure looks stronger, sexier, and safer too (The 2007 Volvo XC90 Rated Top Safety pick by IIHS)
SE Sport
Executive
Again, everyone has a big month in December. We already know Lexus outsells BMW and Mercedes during the year so why would Dec be any different? Now would be a good time to fall back on sales numbers though seeing as though Lexus new LS didn't make the Automobile Magazine's All-Stars list. The S-Class has that spot thank you.
M
Yes and we already know that Thunderbird outsells Chateau Rothschild.
The Volvo XC90 Sport & Executive editions main competitors will be the Range Rover, Range Rover Sports, Cayenne S & Turbo, Mercedes M&G, X5 (MDX & Touareg, Lexus don't fit into this category)
The sport edition has twin-exhausts, and just checked Volvo website, the SE Sport edition is available in US for 2007 model, and the Executive edition is to follow soon
I just do not see the rationale behind a BMW diesel. I don't think even hp would want to keep a BMW long enough to wear out a diesel engine. By that time every other part on the car would have had to be replaced 4 or 5 times. Talk about a money pit!
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
WHAT!!!??? You always crow about the reliability of the Lexus, yet BWM would have a reliable long-lasting engine and you think it's nonsense.
TagMan
There is no advantage if the engine lasts 10 years and all the other parts on a BMW wear out or break in 3 years. Why do you think HP leases BMW's for the short term?
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
How can anyone possibly have a rational discussion with you when that kind of a totally ridiculous statement is made. Do you actually believe that? No... you know better... I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. In that case, you are intentionally poking at dewey, d-man (edited), and hpowders, our primary resident BMW drivers... and for what reason?
Either way, it's either an ignorant statement... or one to provoke and ignite. Or am I missing something?
BTW, hpowders intends to lease short term to look forward to getting a newer model sooner rather than later. It's a great idea, IMO. Sure, the risks of maintenance with ANY car increase with age, but ALL PARTS IN THREE YEARS? Total BS!
TagMan
We all use a little hyperbole here to make our points so of course not ALL parts in 3 years will wear out. But we all know that maintaining a BMW is an expensive proposition. And IMO they are overpriced to begin with. So, no matter how much you shout in caps and stomp your feet, I still disagree with your assessment.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Ahh, now the truth. Thank you. Another case of mea culpa. Hmmm... hyperbole, eh?
TagMan
Seems a few of them have just popped up.
Your right on the money post #22019 is one of the few things making any sense here lately. You and I know my post was written in very clear English. How it could be so misconstrued is a mystery.
I guess some folks are just sore that their favorites didn't pop up on the great Automobile Magazine's coveted All-Star list; to be specific: the LS460 and totally incompetent GS450h.
PS- By the way, an excellent and well-rounded list consisting mostly of fun to drive vehicles in all price categories. One of the best lists I have seen in quite a while.
XC90 Executive starting 46K GBP or 90K USD to 100K+ for the V8 edition - WOW
You cannot just use the exchange rate to compare prices in the UK to prices here in the states. Its the same with Canadian car prices. A Nissan 350Z here is around $32K. There its 28K GBP. Our A4 3.2 Quattro is 37K, there its 30K GBP. I don't know what new equipment these Volvos have over the XC90 V8 we already have, but I can absolutely guarantee you that they will not sell a $90K car here in the next 20 years.
Ha, that's what's been happening to me!
I have [at least] a good two years until I get rid of my baby S4, but this is going to be the hardest decision I've ever had to make, car-wise. The S4 was a no-brainer- the only thing I had to choose was a body style. But now...? Between the Carrera/Carrera S Cabriolet, new XKR convertible, CL550 with AMG bodykit (if I can bring myself to get a coupe), the possible one-year-old AM V8 Roadster (poser car, I know), a 650ci, and maybe even an SL550, there's so many tempting companies trying to pry me from my $100,000! Obviously, this is the most self-indulgent car purchase I will make in a long time, so I have to choose wisely.
I'm glad I have another two to three years to decide, while enjoying the Cabriolet along the way.
'06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
Now would be a good time? You just made my point. Lexus sales rock ALL THE TIME! You act like I just came up with that as a fall-back position, when that's my main point, always and forever.
The commercial runs because the commercial sells. It's 50 times more successful than anything Mercedes is doing.
So when Mercedes comes up with ONE DECENT commercial, this decade, then do a commentary on how lame Lexus commercials are.
No one does more forgettable commercials than Mercedes. Let's look up the word "lame" in the dictionary, and place it on the correct ad campaign.
If you, and everyone else, are spending this much energy commenting on it, while Lexus is selling BIG with it, you're probably using the wrong word. :surprise:
Any description of them is inaccurate if the word "successful" is not included.
Thank you.
DrFill