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  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I've forgotten the termination date of your lease. When did you say it ends?

    TagMan
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    True, but I actually see more hope for GM than Chrysler and more for Chrysler than Ford. The re-beaked 500 is going to be a dismal failure like the current car a blandmobile.

    And the "new" Focus? UGH! Its like they took their inspiration from the Toyota Echo. Its absolutely hideous. The Euro Focus looks great, is one of the best handling small cars on the planet, and rides on the new Mazda3\Volvo S40 platform. Ours is an ugly rehash of the tired old focus. Brilliant strategy there Ford.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Lease termination is August 1, 2008. I guess the computer's alarm will ring loudly to alert me at least a week before.

    Sat in the 2007 X5 at the showroom today. Not as much legroom as in the 2005 X5 I drove. Wood doesn't seem as nice either. Huge step up to enter. Can easily twist an ankle stepping down.
    Not a vehicle for the senior set or the orthopedically challenged. Third row "symbolic" at best.

    Disappointing!
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Sat in the 2007 X5 at the showroom today...

    Disappointing!


    Well, then, you may have saved me a trip to the BMW dealer. I've been curious about the new X5.

    The new GL diesel sounds nice, and there will possibly be an additional version with a bigger V8 diesel as well. Only thing is, it seems too big. We'll probably just keep the wife's MDX for a while longer. She likes it enough, and it's been flawless so far.

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    When the salesman tells you the X5 is a "big step up", he isn't referring to status! ;)

    Man! I thought I was mounting a horse, climbing into that monstrosity!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    The new MDX is on my "have to drive" list. I will check out the 2008 model next year. Hope they have parking sensors by then. And perforated cooling seats. And real wood. And a power lift gate available in basic, sport and technology packages. And a different front grille. And desperate dealers who are watching inventory pile up and ready to see things "my way." :blush:

    PS: This of course, if my outrageously low offer for the 545i is rejected. :)
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Wife's MDX is an '06, loaded, and yes, it has parking sensors with the camera, nav, satellite, bluetooth, voice command, i-pod link, DVD rear-entertainment, and a long list of options and accessories. No power tailgate, however, and fortunately she's never expressed a need or desire for that.

    As flawless as her '06 has been, I'm guessing the new version starting with '07 is likely even better.

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    The new X5 disappointing?

    That is exactly why my wife drives a BMW touring wagon. Also my kids are no longer Hobbit-sized so the third row X5 seat will no longer be of any assistance to us.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    The new GL diesel sounds nice.

    A V8 diesel with California diesel prices?

    I think I will wait a few more years before seeking an alternative fuel efficient drivetrain. I am looking forward to a lithium ion battery powered hybrid (a Chevy Volt or a Toyota/Lexus hybrid) that wont share the same burning fate as Sony laptops.

    The diesel alternative sounds soooo 19th century. And the other fuel efficient alternatives sounds soooo 20th century---CVT or 8 speed transmissions, low friction engines, accessories decoupled from the engine,, displacement on demand systems, cam phasing and multicam engines. Squeezing out fuel savings from these alternatives is like squeezing a dry lemon.

    For fuel efficiency the 21st century belongs to hybrids and fuel cell autos. IMHO at least.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Was told that one can bring in the vehicle every 12 months for an oil change if the 15k mileage interval hasn't been achieved

    I will have to find out if this covert oil change policy applies to BMW dealerships in Toronto?
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    There you go again.

    The new diesels are not only modern, but will be an even better partner to the electric motors than their gas counterparts, as diesel/hybrids start to make themselves a reality... first in Europe and then in the States.

    And... the diesel GL costs at least $1500 to $2500 LESS than its gas counterpart, so the savings begins even at the point of purchase, let alone the continued savings at the pump. (unlike hybrids, whick take forever at the pump to make up the hybrid purchase "premium".)

    Sorry, Dewey, diesels are modern and will be part of diesel/hybrids, and beyond that they will burn alternate fuels as well. All modern thinking, my friend.

    It won't be all that many years after their introduction that modern diesels capture at least 9% of the entire market here, and will ultimately outsell gas/hybrids. Mercedes will sell 15% of their SUV's as modern diesel models.

    Want to place a bet on this?

    Here's some info on diesel hybrids in Europe:

    plugged-in diesels for Europe

    Here's some info from C&D on the Mercedes GL diesel you might find interesting:

    '07 Diesel GL

    BTW, I absolutely do agree with you about fuel cells, however. But that will come later, not sooner.

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    It won't be all that many years after their introduction that modern diesels capture at least 9% of the entire market here, and will ultimately outsell gas/hybrids. Mercedes will sell 15% of their SUV's as modern diesel models.

    Want to place a bet on this?

    It's a bet! My prediction is that by 2013 non-hybrid diesels in N. America will become relics of the past as plug in hybrids become more mainstream.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    C&D gave the MDX a nice write-up in their latest issue.
    Most of the reviews have been positive.
    Whether I get one or not, I will drive one next year. I remember enough about the 2005 X5 drive to make a comparison.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Absolutely! Let us know.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I mentioned a few posts ago (#22975), that if one wants the true BMW performance and mpg, stay away from the X5 and get the 530xi wagon. Makes sense to me, if very few others out there.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    C&D gave the MDX a nice write-up in their latest issue.
    Most of the reviews have been positive.


    I know that our family gives our '06 a thumbs up. Personally, I do wish it had a little better styling. Otherwise not much to complain about.

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Well, let's be clear here. My point is that the diesel engines are indeed "modern". And I'm talking diesels whether they go solo or as a diesel hybrid. It's the "gas" ice that's not modern. It's ancient... goes back to the historical beginning. and that's why your beloved gas hybrid is going to have competition from both diesels and diesel hybrids, just like the ones I linked in my original post about this.

    So, my bet is on the diesels representing 9% of the entire market by 2013, whether or not they are solo or married to an electric motor makes no difference to me.

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Well the new MDX is a stylistic improvement. How could it not be? But it really doesn't stand out from the crowd.
    One reviewer mentioned that when he drove it (when it first came out), nobody looked.
    No "wow" factor and that front grill really should be modified a bit.

    The MDX looks like a lot of other SUV's, only it performs better. Its 3rd row while still not terrific is not the joke that the X5's is. (I sat in the new MDX at the auto show).

    I'm curious enough to take one for a drive next year. It really has to be pretty special for me to like it since I am not an SUV person and I am looking for only 1 vehicle.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Well, we'll have to wait until 2012 to see this, but it seems that after the 2009 or 2010 Panamera 4-door, Porsche will release it in a coupe form, possibly calling it the 928 again.

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    Gosh, has the Audi R8 really stirred things up or what? ;)

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Wow... one vehicle to do it all? I'd go crazy!

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Well, I am the only driver and my garage has 2 golf carts and room for only one vehicle. I bet that 928 coupe would fill the bill just fine! That's what I would call the perfect antidote to the X5.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    2 golf carts, eh? You and the wife both golf your seperate ways, or are we talking golf party?

    Anyway, yeah, that 2012 928 looks sweet to me. Others may not like it, but I'll say if I can hold on to this 911 for 5 years, I'd be a player for it as a possible replacement. Of course, who knows what might be on the market by then.

    Maybe I should have known this, but I guess you are retired down there in Florida?

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Yes. I retired at 51 and live in Florida. My wife uses the golf cart for traveling around the community. I am the only golfer. The quick off the line acceleration of the battery-powered golf cart is as close as I will ever get to experiencing a hybrid-powered vehicle.

    I'm with you. I believe ultra low-sulfur diesel will make it big over here soon.

    Jay Leno had a cute spoof of that self-parking vehicle last night. If you missed it, it's probably on You Tube. Hilarious!
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    So, my bet is on the diesels representing 9% of the entire market by 2013

    OK the clock is ticking real fast now and we have only 2,170 days to go to find out who wins this bet. By then both of us will be driving hydrogen BMWs and talking nostalgically about the good ole days of disputing hybrids vs. diesels . ;)
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    No free annual oil changes at my BMW dealership. :lemon:

    Since it's important that the first oil change is done at a low mileage point I have already made an appointment with my independent mechanic. Since April my wife already had two oil changes done on her her 530xi touring.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Sorry to hear that.

    Well, the synthetic oil is designed for higher mileage intervals between changes, so that helps.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    OK. So, I'm looking for diesels (either solo or diesel hybrid, so long as they are DIESEL) representing 9% of the market by 2013. Your position is that it won't happen. If this is our bet, then you're on, and you'd better print this out and save it in a safe place.

    As you said, by then, the hydrogen will be in use, and I'll add that global warming will have made Canada a vacation paradise. :P

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    51?!! Lucky guy. From NY or North originally and came down to Florida, or native Floridian?

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I'll add that global warming will have made Canada a vacation paradise.

    That is exactly why we still own our old emission spewing diesel MB300. I'll do anything to make our habitat a bit more warmer and sunnier. :shades:
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    The VP of Toyota Motors predicts a cheaper Lexus will be available soon. Imagine a tiny Lexus hatchback competing with a MINI Cooper?

    According to this theory, someone in her 20’s might buy a Scion, trade up to a Toyota sedan in her 30’s, and then, when she is older and perhaps has more money, might move up to a Lexus. The goal is to keep a buyer moving through the three divisions, all owned by Toyota.

    But now, some Scion buyers are trading up directly to sporty Lexus models, like the IS sedan, despite an effort to make Toyotas look more stylish.

    In the 1990s, consumers “for the most part bought cars by the pound," meaning the big S.U.V.’s and pickups then in vogue, said James Lentz, executive vice president of Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A.

    Now, he said, "kids want smaller, but not cheaper." Mr. Lentz said the average buyer, who is 25 years old, pays $18,000 to $19,000 for a car, including accessories like wheel covers and interior features.

    While it is a big leap from there to the Lexus price range, Mr. Lentz said it might be time for Lexus to consider selling something cheaper. "The luxury market over time has really evolved," he said, and Lexus is considering "the fringe of each end" meaning smaller cars and those priced above $100,000.


    SOURCE: NY Times
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