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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I driven the E-Class enough, there are two family members with E's. The 5-Series is thought I guess. I guess I really want the fat fendered A6 4.2.

    M
  • Merc1

    Couldn't agree with you more about the A6 4.2 I looked at a used 2003 with 14k miles, black on black with aftermarket 18 inch wheels. It was spectacular! Not the room of my 7, but plenty for 4. Unfortunately, Audi's reputation for big mechanical issues puts me off. Also, for some reason this car was not a certified car, despite being at an Audi dealer. Just the remainder of 4yr/50k miles under warranty. I will say however that a quick drive and those flared fenders have really got me thinking...
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yes, even I the survey detractor have to look at the Audi sideways, only because my own personal observations haven't been good concerning the V8 drivetrain in the A6 4.2 and the previous A8 with the same engine. They are known for drop their transmission from time to time, especially the A8. A friend of mine was looking at a 1998 C280 at a Audi dealership, but Audi couldn't sell him the car because the person who traded the C280 in for a 2000 A8 had a trans failure a day after he drove off in the A8. It seems Audi was giving him static about fixing the trans so he began to raise hell about getting his old car back. Not sure what the outcome of this was. A 2000 A8 is in my price range, but oh no. That and insurance (aluminum car) would be too much for me. I wouldn't go near an Audi with "Audi Certified" being stamped all over the windshield (lol). It's a gorgeous car though and if I go "pre-driven" as they like to say now, it's my first pick.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Is it me or has Autospies run completely out of gas? Like always their reporting is full or errors and in this case way too much repetition. This is about the most ridiculous "report" I've seen from them yet in the fact that some of it true and part of it is pure fantasy. P.S. The Frankfurt autoshow is in Sept of 2005, hardly early in the year.

    http://www.imakenews.com/autospies/e_article000203773.cfm

    M
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    I think of them as the National Enquirer of the autorag business. Their motto should be "don't let the facts get in the way".
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    I think autospies is quilty of more than just errors and repitition. I think they KNOWINGLY publish fabricated stories in order to generate more readership. For example, their "scoop" of about 9-12 months ago that the 2004 LS would involve a fairly radical "total exterior redesign". The story was complete with drawings (actually of an MB concept they said the LS would resemble) and the claim that they got the story from a west coast "meeting of lexus sales managers". Utter hogwash. Then they published pictures, maybe 6-12 month ago, of the next gen S...I thought it so closely resembled the current S that it couldn't possibly be what they claimed it was.
  • I had a 2001 Black/Melange. It was a beautiful car, but required too many visits to the shop during the months that I owned it. I bought it used. The previous owner smoked. I could never quite get rid of the smell during hot weather. I even bought my own ozone machine!
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I know right. They are really something. It wouldn't be such rubbish if they said they're guessing, but they try to pass that mess off as fact and that they have type of corporate spy working at Lexus, MB and others. Most of accurate info they like to report as a Autospies "exclusive" is usually reported in real publications like AutoWeek and Automotive News weeks earlier!!

    I wouldn't even care if so many people didn't take them seriously. You'd be amazed how many people actually believe their "scoop" stories.

    M
  • Merc1, is insurance costs really an issue with aluminium bodied cars? If you're right, this should hurt the new Jag??

    Did I read you correctly that despite your hots for a fat fendered A6 if it WAS Audi Certified you would avoid it? So, that leaves you turning to Ebay and cars.com?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    About insurance, yes and no. For someone around my age, a car like an A8 would be costly to insure anyway, but being constructed of aluminum wouldn't help matters. Now the target group for cars like the XJ and A8, Donfenn, ljfix and others have those much deeper pockets....

    No I meant I would buy an A6 4.2 only if was certified.

    M
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,675
    Porsche seems to be having a hard time selling the Cayenne around here. At Ray Catena (who sells Lexus, MB,Jag, Porsche,Infiniti and exotics) I can get a $60K Cayenne for $75 a month cheaper than a $53k GX470. Plus I can do it for only 27 months. So out of curiosity I took it out even though it doesn't fit the needs I have. I found it very disppointing - noisy, bumpy and not very luxurious - so maybe that is why it is being discounted. But it does handle well but who needs or wants that in an SUV. The sales guy told me the interest in the SUV has fallen off quickly - in our area at least. I told him I much preferred a Lexus GX470 or LX 470. He said as long as I was buying from Ray Catena he couldn't argue with me.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,675
    By the way I also drove a Boxster for the first time. It's my 12 year old son's dream car so I took it out for a spin with him. Loved it. Porsche should stick to what it does best - sports cars.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well I could have told you that you wouldn't like a Cayenne. In all sincerity, anyone that likes Lexus' SUVs, meaning ultra quiet and isolated, isn't going to like any Porsche Cayenne. The Porsche Cayenne, specifically the Turbo is the best performing SUV in the world on-road, and its in the same class as the TLC/LX, RR, G-Wagen, and Hummer in off-road prowess, so of course some might view it as extremely compromised, others will see it as extremely versatile. My only question is did you drive the S or the Turbo, I know that the air suspension makes a big difference in ride, if the Touareg (which I have driven) is anything to go by.

    Plus you know how I feel about SUVs, they usually don't hold my attention more than one model year. I loved the X5 when I first saw it at the Chicago autoshow, couldn't care any less about it now. SUVs just aren't my game. Now a Porsche 911 C4S Cabrio, you'd have to put out a A.P.B. to find it after a letting it go on a test drive with me!!!!

    So let me guess, a 04' LS, and a 04 GX right??

    M
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,675
    It was the S and it stickered around $61k. I could get it at $515 per month with $4k down or $699 per month with 0 down - both for 27 months. I'm at a loss to explain Edmunds TMV pricing on this as they say it sells at MSRP. The $53k GX470 goes for $735 per month with zero down and a 58% residusl after 3 years. Either Porsche has the most creative leasing plans on the planet to preserve MSRP pricing or Edmunds has it wrong. In fact when I added up the down payment, lease payments and buyout I was a tad under MSRP without interest effecting anything. Put a present value stream on those future payments even at a low discount rate and I was well under MSRP. The residual on the Porsche was 70% after 27 months so that's just about in-line with the GX470. Finance is my gig but I don't get this one. I didn't realize the Cayenne had that level of off road prowess.

    For me - the LS is a certainty. The car is better than ever - tighter than the 2001 base suspension but rides even more silky smooth. The 2004 Euro is also a better handler than the 2001 version. I want to get the Euro though and that is not easy to come by. Lexus is pushing the modern lux package (with or without Euro which is now actually called Sport) or the ultra and doing away with the custom lux per my dealer. If I miss the sport I'll likely go to the ultra lux but that is not till April anyway.

    I still prefer the LX470 over the GX470 - simply for size and I prefer the LX styling though the GX does ride better. The LX puts the bumps away better but on a highway the GX is the creamier ride. But when you are married you have to make compromises and my wife loves the GX. The alternativve is that I can get the LX but have to get her an RX. No dice on that one. I have my eyes on the SL based on my personal business developments in a year or so - as the toy car - not an RX330.

    Now about that Boxster. If I'm a single guy like you and don't have to drive every day that's the car I'd save for. Yes its noisy and not the best riding but it is pure sports car, lots of fun and brings me back to my single days. Cars like the SL and SC don't do that. They are too mature/grown-up. But the Boxster has to be a weekend/leisure car. I wouldn't want it in a rush hour rain or snowstorm.
  • My dealer is telling me Lexus has gone to almost all Ultra to catch up with the demand for that model.

    Also said Custom Luxury is Very hard to come by...It is the model that suites my needs if I am to upgrade.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    That sounds like a hell of a deal on a Cayenne. I know you're going to go for the LX470, but I'd drive a Cayenne Turbo just because, since you have such a good relationship with the dealership. Yep the Cayenne is the swiss army knife of the SUV world.

    If you were to buy a SL500 I don't know what I'd do!! Did you ever check out the CL? The CL is Mercedes' best all around car in my opinion. Timeless style and just the right amount of space for two.

    Strangely, for some reason I've never like the Boxster. I'm ready for a luxury car, no more pounding, stiff-riding cars for me, at least for a while. Entry-level or a pre-driven mid-level luxury car, is where I'm headed. Either that or a classic "GT" car like the G35 Coupe.

    In other news, the uber-Audi has arrived:

    http://www.germancarfans.com/News.cfm/NewsID/2031125.001/audi/1.h- tml

    M
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    I wonder what the extra weight of the W 12 will do to the ride quality on that car?
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    What did Audi do, kidnap Bangle from BMW and have him apply his weird sense of styling humor to the front of a car?

    That big chrome gaping surround gives the new Audi a very familiar look - like a new Kia Amanti.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    Actually it is a Auto Union look from the 30's race cars.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,675
    No I haven't checked out the CL but I will. By the way it was fun driving stick shift again.

    The deal on the Cayenne is pretty standard around here from what I was made to understand. I've only seen one or two on the road. It's just not selling well here as there were plenty of them on the lot and more due in. Contrast that with trying to find a GX470 which is not easy. On the other hand the LX is negotiable. I had my pick of color on the Cayenne. I went to the dealership mainly because my son is nuts about the Boxster and I must admit that car intrigues me as well. There are several that I see at local sports events.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,675
    In New Jersey the LS is selling quickly. The Ultra is not easy to get nor is the sport suspension. I may actually have to order the car in early January to get it by April the way I want it. The custom lux is a custom order car and you may have a long wait for it. I was told they will likely discontinue it pretty soon. But they are increasing production on the Ultra because demand is high despite a $71k price tag.
  • I went for the Euro sport suspension and the mod luxury package and had to order the car. Added to the above, since there aren't many sport models being produced, according the the dealers, I wanted the Briarwood Pearl. There's also very few of them.

    I ordered at the beginning of this month and it should arrive at the end of Jan to mid Feb.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,675
    A8 - that may explain why some have felt the harsh ride and others have not.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    i just assumed the poor ride quality(relatively speaking) was due to the extra weight of the AWD.
    Didn't know there was a suspension part issue.

    What about the quivering body structure?
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    For those that are interested, I spoke with a VW salesman last night to see if they had any Phaeton brochures. I am not in the market for a car right now and have no interest in ever buying a Phaeton (plus it is beyond my price range anyway), but I am curious to read about the car. Anyway, the salesman said only 270 V12-equipped cars will come to the US and all will be black with a beige interior. You can only select color on the V8.
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    I couldn't find any from the 30's that looked like the big square on the nose of the A8.

    The Type D that competed against MB circa 1935 - 1939 or so has a distinctly triangular or arrowhead shaped grille.

    But hey, in this forum, one man's triangle is another's square.
  • pathdocpathdoc Posts: 126
    The decision to only import black V12's will certainly help their sales in areas like where I live (Palm Springs,Ca). We have more Rolls,Mercedes,BMWs,etc. than most places but almost no one would buy a black car here because of the heat and dust(sand) issues. Another great move by Volkswagen.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    VW is really just half doing things with this car. An 88K luxury sedan that only comes in Black?? Thats ridiculous.

    M
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
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