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So, I guess the crappy 750iL is better than the S-Class?
I have no problem talking about cars with others, but please say stuff that makes sense.
For example, I would love for someone to tell me why the extra money is worth it for the Vanden Plas over the LS 400. I think the LS is a better car, and a lot cheaper.
I don't feel like bashing the S. Its a fantastic car, too. The dashboard is better than the LS and the Command center's integration with a window in the dashboard is outstanding. But of course the new Lexus DVD nature is superior to the CD-ROM based Command Center.
Both are true luxury. Some prefer the quiet isolation of the LS, others prefer the "presence" of german luxury. The S-Class is not noisy and it's not rough. Its simply a different kind of comfort.
I'm also tired of all the pricing confusion of the new LS. The Ultra package sounds like it will add 8-10K to the base, but if you consider what it includes, its seems like a good value to me.
I think it unfortunate, but expected that the first deliveries will be Ultra equipped as I personally only want one option - GPS. I'm also bothered by the fact that they dumping the 2000 models at $5,000 off list. This causes me to see the 2001 as $5,000 more expensive than it really is.
Finally, do you think the Toyota division is going to get the Celsior for sale here? I kinda of doubt it.
The Celsior is the Lexus LS430! In Japan their is no Lexus division therefore the LS430 is sold as the Toyota Celsior. Why would Toyota, in the US, sell the Celsior for $70K when Lexus would be selling the same car for $70K?
In the last year of a cars lifespan, cars are generally discounted heavily because of the eminent redesign. And actually in past years, the LS400 was discounted more than it has been in 2000.
Please tell me you're kidding!
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M
I am having a tough time deciding where to land in the MBZ S class line-up. I read the 2001 brochure and really like what I see on the new S55. However, I am not sure that will be the sportier S class it intends to be. I never had the pleasure of pushing any of the AMG tuned MBZ vehicles but hear raves. I am also concerned on how long the S55 will last as an offering and don't want to miss the boat. I think it may become a prize like the 500 E class.
Anyone have any thoughts on the S55 vs the S430/500. Think long term highway car with emphasis on power and comfort.
FWIW, I haven't considered the LS430 but it looks tempting. Not am BMW fan. Tried to like it, but it just didn't grab me.
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Thank you
You're going to pay very close to full price(MSRP) or MSRP for a 2001 S430. I doubt there are any 2000 S430s available at this point in the year.
I am exploring the options of purchasing an S500 with the ABC suspension and a few other options.
Thanks for the insight.
A dlr. I am trying coax has a '01 s500 sport with ALL options. Not available. Or so he said.
Is the Distronic option worthwhile? Also, does the Sport Package S500 ride harsher than the regular version, or can you tweak the ride via the ABC suspension to get a luxury ride when you want it?
To BOB711
I have ABC on my CL and it is pure magic. The car is pure luxury on either setting, THANKS to the ABC suspension and you notice the difference in cornering with ABC switched to sport. I wouldn't think of getting an S500 without ABC. Also, I think long-term maintenance and reliability will be with the ABC rather than the air-suspension. Cost will be same or more, but I think reliability will be better with ABC
I have 13,000 miles on the car and it have been fabulous. The voice activated phone is a great feature and I found the Bose Stereo with CD system to be very good. Not one rattle and the build quality is terrific.
This generation S combines all the new technology and is a big improvement over the previous generation. The more you drive one, the better you like it. And I have been averaging over 21 mpg in combined ciy/highway.
I live in NJ but am willing to travel to get the best price.
Any sense in waiting until later on this year, closer to the newer redesigned 740 model?
Thanks,
Ken
But, this is true for all luxury cars. If you enjoy the experience of owning a new car then the value can't be measured in dollars only. Enjoy,
DB
I am considering buying a used 300SE or S320 from 92-94 with around 75-100K miles. Do any of you know what reliability has been with this base S-class sedan?
I am considering purchasing a 96, 97 or 98 740il or 750il. What are the maintenance on these vehicles and which, if any, would you recommend over the other. I drove the 750il and was in love immediately. But, very expensive and certainly don't want to have nagging, expensive service bills to take away from the joy of owning such a vehicle. Your opinions are appreciated!! Thanks, Rick
Andrew
Scenario:
One day I crank up my car and it starts idling rough, then an unusual amount of exhaust starts (which smelled like gasoline). I tried to drive it to a shop, but before I could get five blocks there was a trail of smoke, and the interior of the car started filling up too. I had one shop say it was a fuel injector, only to replace it to no avail. They then said it was a control unit, which only a Dealer could repair. Now the Dealer is sitting on the car (for a week now). I have talked around and heard different stories about the "engine problems". I need advice, and fast. Any help is greatly appreciated.
http://www.koalamotorsport.com/v8shortblock.htm
Note that starting in 96 BMW switched to Alusil for the V8s. All V12s are Alusil.
I prefer the Audi A8, but from what I've seen in the paper; they don't depreciate nearly as much.
Does this say something about the quality of the car? or just availability?