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Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable Sedans Pre-2008

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  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    More than likely the ad for under $13K in the paper was a scam by yet another sleazy Ford dealer.

    The invoice price is 19,339 for a base LX with no options. Then a $3000 rebate is $16339 and then maybe another $1000 off at most to cover other dealer incentives, holdbacks etc is still $15339. Even if you qualify for the College Grad rebate on top of that will be in the $14K+ range.

    Sounds like they will say it was already sold when you show up and actually try to buy one at that price.
    Just because there is an ad in the paper doesn't mean you can really buy for that price.
    Maybe it was a demo with several thousand miles that they marked down for the ad is the only other possibility I see to get into the sub $13K range for a "new" Taurus.
  • jebinc1jebinc1 Posts: 198
    ... and don't forget the "military" rebate :)
  • upsetter1upsetter1 Posts: 205
    For a big city like NY Corolla may a be a better vehicle than Taurus, esp considering fuel consumption. In my nearest dealership they put a firm price on Taurus, something like $15,500 on the sticker. The thing is that they have to sell them, there was an overproduction lately. Hertz sells 2003 Tauruses in our area for $10,500, asking however for basic Camry $15,500, what I consider ridiculous, because for one grand more you can buy brand new Camry.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    Yes, you will save money on gas an depreciation on a Corolla. It takes at least 2 years for the depreciation on a Taurus to settle down. You could buy a 1 year old Taurus from Hertz for $10,500 and still have it only worth under $6K on a trade-in one year later. After that, the depreciation rate starts to get a little slower. There are some new cars that depreciate less than a 1 year old Taurus does between year one and year 2. The depreciation on a brand-new Taurus from date of purchase to 1 year old is outrageous even subtracting the rebates.
    A 2 year old Taurus for around $7K with some factory warranty left is a good buy.
    If it has under 36K miles, you can still purchase the ESP PremiumCare warranty if the prior owner didn't and have at least 4 years of good service and bumper to bumper warranty for under $10K including taxes. Plus you might be able to resell it after 3 years for around 50% of what you paid if it still has some of the extended warranty transferable to the next private party.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    Yes, some look worn out with dings and dirty interiors, but there are so many of them, that it really doesn't take that long to find a good one when you have dozens to choose from from multiple dealers. There is an almost endless supply of 1 year old Tauruses available.
  • jebinc1jebinc1 Posts: 198
    Has anyone ever noticed an occasional dampened scraping noise when putting a Taurus in park? If you move it out of park to Neutral, or some other gear, the sound goes away. Sometimes it stays away when you put it back in Park. Sometimes, it is never there in the first place. Has anyone ever heard of this?
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    Some dealers don't realize or don't want to admit that many car buyers are now a days very knowledgeable about models, features, prices, etc. During my visit to Ford dealers, one salesman after going around in circles with me, told me that I'm quite educated about cars. I told I'm a former Sable owner, I know your cars and I'm here to deal on the spot. The guy left us for several long minutes and shows up with a goon-looking guy who later I find out was the manager. The creep just sat there, and I was the one who said "You must be the manager".
    That's all he said and continue to sat there like a bus instead of engaging us and try to address our needs. We left.

    The second dealer was a L-M showroom. After spending some time with what seemed a wishy-washy looking salesman during a rainy Labor Day afternoon, I deemed it strategically appropriate to appeal to their compassion and mentioned that my beloved Sable was totaled in an accident. I was lured back to the showroom several days later under pretenses that "Ford had just upped the cash to customer rebate". So wife and yours truly marched back to the dealership really enthused that that same Saturday afternoon we'd be returning with a shiny new Merc. Sable. I initially didn't want leather or moonroof, but decided to settle for a car with these features because these guys had sold the 04 black Sable fully equipped and without leather and moonroof that was available on Monday and that they had promised to keep until Saturday and without a deposit. On Saturday the car was " just sold to Enterprise rental car". Enterprise closes at noon on Saturday, and by now it was 3 o'clock. But okay, we're ready to buy here and now, these are invoices from internet sites. You know the rest.

    Next, we went to a Ford dealer, and they tried to play other games out of their never ending hat of dirty tricks.

    The rental Tauri I saw were mainly at Enterprise, which I rented the Focus from. These cars were 03's with 26000 and went for $11399. They had some power features with Vulcan engines. The interior looked in need of a shampoo job, and the exterior had some minor dings. It's difficult to impossible to drive in NY and keep the car immaculate. My Sable had only one ding in 4 years. But basically these cars looked like they had lived a hard life. I became ambivalent. Perhaps I passed up a good opportunity.

    Now, I can't get used to that the emergency brake is no longer on the left and that I used to engage it with my foot. The transmmision lever is no more steering wheel mounted but is floor mounted. Radio controls are different. But other than that, I parked my Toyota easily and in small places. Parking in NY is at a premium. Gas consumption is real great, but with 70 fewer ponies. Awful looking BMW, MB's and similar vicious evil types leave me in the dust and give no second thought about cutting me off. My Sable left some of the above mentioned evil doers behind in seconds.

    Oh well :(
  • Well guys, my wife's sable didn't start last sat. morning and she had it towed to Gene Evans stealership owned by Teams Ford. I wasn't home. The guy named Eaton tried to sell unnecessary services to her. after the diagnoses, it was a faulty PCM relay. a PCM realy all you have to do is pull it out and put in a new one. THE stealership charged her $175.00 for that service!! including diagnose fees!!! When I got home, I was presented with a humongous bill that I almost passed out!!! Now the little handy diagnose machine they sell at Pep boys come in very handy... My mercedez dealership waived the diagnose fees if i opt to have my car repaired with them.
    I called the stearlership. of course no one wanted to take the call. was told the manager will call me back.
    Be aware of stealership jacking up the prices.
    They are THEIEVES trying to steal your money by offering unnecessary services. They prey on female most of the time!
  • jasmith52jasmith52 Posts: 455
    Don't be too hard on the dealership. Many of them operate that way.

    I had a similar experience with a Buick dealership when my blower fan went out. I took the car over to the dealership and told them to replace the blower fan. Well they charged me an hour labor ($82.50) for diagnosis and another hour labor for installation plus the price of the blower. The total charge was around $350.

    Needless to say I haven't been back.

    Keep in mind that service departments are a money making center for most dealerships. They just break even or even lose money on new cars. Service and used cars support everything.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    I would have refused to pay for the diagnoses since you told them what the problem was. Here is what recently happen to my Ford Contour and what I TOLD THE DEALER. I recently had the air bag light on my Contour Flashing a code. After checking a couple of websites I determined that the two front airbag sensors on the car were bad. (A known problem with this car!)So I purchased the sensors from the parts department and laid them on the front seat of the car. The next day I took the car to the Ford Dealership and told them to replace the sensors. (You have to remove the front grill!) They said if I wanted them to diagnose the problem and said no, just replace the sensors. They said they wouldn't guarantee the work, and I said fine. The replaced the sensors, problem solved and I saved almost $100.00. This diagnoses fee is a rip off!
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I don't think it is necessary to use the term "stealership" - please feel free to speak candidly about your experiences with Ford/Mercury dealers here - positive and negative - but that kind of derogatory label interferes with a polite and useful conversation.

    Thanks.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    Dealer's service shops are a component that helps meet the entire franchise's huge overhead. When someone brings the car to the any service dept., especially a car that's out of warranty, will be charged $$$$$$$$. Their hourly rates are between $80 and $90 an hour, prorated. Diagnosis + parts + repairing/replacing is expensive, to say the least.

    Dealers know that a lot of their customers stray and go to private shops for service and repairs. So dealers have been aggressively pursuing customers to lure them back with convenient appointment hours and minimum time spent at the shop. Also dealers trumpet that their mechanics are "factory trained and know your .........."

    Ford's Lincoln division just got high marks from J.D. Power and Associates about these issues. However, the study by Power, I believe, includes dealer service during the first three years of ownership. Ford and Mercury dealers, according to the survey, are also improving.

    Manufacturers encourage customers to avail themselves of dealer service depts. and encourages dealers to follow the new car buyer closely so he or she will not stray. But personally I wouldn't take my car to the dealer for more than two initial services, and not even that. Unless, there is some work to be done under warranty.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    Well said, common sense dictates when you look in back and see 20 plus service bays at these "mega dealers" somebody has to pay for it. I have purchased many new, nearly new (former rentals)from dealers, once the warranty is up, it's SEE YA LATER! I refuse to pay the dealers outrageous labor rates. Case in point today, my Contour needed some work and the local mechanic charged $45.00 to diagnose. It had to be hooked up to the computer to read the OBD codes. The same service at the dealer is $75.00 to $90.00 depending on the dealer! The dealers have coupons for oil and transmission fluid exchanges that are competitive, but stray from your basic maintenance items and things get expenisive....quickly!!
  • shank6shank6 Posts: 64
    We should all print DannyJs' post and keep it in the glove compartment. Another factor involved is the turnover at dealer service depts. The new guy on the block has to make his department more profitable than the last guy.

    Just not at my expense!. My 2000 Sable LS is at 90,000 and going strong. Am planning for another 100,000 miles. I do my own oil and filter. Antifreeze flushes, and anything more I shop around.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    Gee shank6 I envy you because you have the same model year car I had. When I read your post I couldn't help but feel nostalgic. I really miss my S.W.

    I think is great that you do basic maintenance on your Sable.

    Once I took my Sable to the dealer for some warranty work, and a very pretty girl greeted my when I drove in. That's got it cost extra. There is however and element of trust missing or lacking about using dealers' shops. There is nothing they do or give for free. My dad used to tell me when I was a kid that the dealer charges for shaking hands with you.

    I already received several notifications from Toyota and the dealer for schedule maintenance. The first service which is a lube and filter change is free. My wife is really excited about it. I told her that it's only about $25.00, and it's to hook me for ever. They'll get their money back in th future with unnecessary and useless maintenance.

    Yeah I know, let's keep it Taurus/Sable.

    My point is that is the nature of the business regardless of brands. Manufacturers, painfully aware that customers take their cars to private shops, initiated, in conjunction with dealers, a very strong PR campaign to lure us back to service depts.

    Be aware, stay informed!
  • Hi. Nice board. My mom called with a problem with her 2002 Sable. She said the theft light is flashing and won't go out. said she looked in owners manual and it says if theft light wont go out take it to dealer. I'm trying to help her from a distance. Is this a common problem with an easy fix or should she take it to the dealer? She is under full warranty for a while longer.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    Does she mean that the theft light will does not go out when she starts the car? Or has she just noticed that the theft light flashes whenever the car is parked and the key is out? It is normal for it to flash whenever you have the car parked with the key out, but it shouldn't be flashing when you are driving it.

    Since she is still under warranty, the help you can give her is to tell her to get it fixed under warranty. No cost and that is what the warranty is for.

    I do not think this is a widespread problem.
  • She's just noticing that the theft light flashes when parked and the key is out. She says it goes out when she drives so it seems to be functioning properly. Thanks for the response.
  • have a 1998 taurus, 22000 miles, what problems are out there on the horizon...engine? transmission?.....just blew out the head gasket on my 95 mustang with only 48000 miles..ouch...is it the age of the car or the miles where the problems start to show...help!
  • its slovikovski again...you can email me at slovikovski@hotmail.com
  • jasmith52jasmith52 Posts: 455
    should it stay or should it go ? - da da da da dada da da. (Wasn't that a song or something ?)

    Anyway I suggest that if the car runs well and is paid for that you just keep it. It's not worth very much anymore so you'll need to drive it to get any value out of it. A new car is going to cost you much.

    As far as head gaskets, Well the Fords of that vintage from about 1995 to 1999 have been known to have problems with their head gaskets. It was something about the gasket material that they used. They saved about $0.50 a car and caused many of their customers to pay for major head gasket repairs.

    By the way, what does a head gasket job cost for a 1995 Mustang ?
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    I may be wrong, but I have always read that the 3.8 V-6 was the only Taurus engine that had significant amounts of blown head gasket problems, and this engine was not an option from model year 1996 on. So, I am unaware of any head gasket issues from 1996 model year and newer, correct?

    For 1999 model years I would guess transmissions might be most suspect, but given the vast numbers of Tauri/Sables on the road, picking up a rebuilt one shouldn't be that expensive. I would stick with a 30K transmission fluid change schedule.

    Slovikovsky, at the low rate you are putting miles on the car, less than 4k a year, you should be good for at least ten more years with your Taurus. No need to invest in something expensive when you are putting that low mileage on per year.
  • atuckeratucker Posts: 7
    I just bought a 2001 Sable LS Premium Wagon (29500 mi!!) Everything is perfect...well, almost! I was looking through the owners manual, and there was a card for the keyless entry (keypad). I decided to learn how to use it. The code on the card does NOT work, and the dealer wants $82.50 to "diagnose/reprogram" the code. I want to see if I can track down the code on the "computer module". I have heard that the module ("RAP module", I believe) is somewhere in the driver's side footwell. I don't see any stickers with a 5 digit code in the vast array of wires/boxes. I'm thinking (hoping, really) that the code in the owners manual is wrong. (Maybe they threw an different manual set in the car before I bought it)
    Anyway...does anyone know, for sure, where the module is that I need to get the code from??
    Thanks!!!
    Allen
  • from 2700-4500 if you want brand new everything....no
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    Can't the owners set their own code? If so, the previous owner may have done so and you would need to have the dealer reset it in that case.
  • automan227automan227 Posts: 118
    The car comes with a code preprogrammed from the factory. This code CANNOT be changed or removed, however does allow for the owner to add/change/remove ONE personal code.

    The dealer should be able to either lookup the correct code, and if they can't, then yes, you will have to hook up the car to a computer to get the code.
  • atuckeratucker Posts: 7
    Thanks for the replies. The keycode is supposed to be on the module that controls the keypad. (I've seen it referred to as a "RAP module") Before I go to a dealer, I want to check the code on the module, and see if it is, in fact, the same code that is on the card in the owners manual. I'm not sure what the module looks like, as there are MANY modules/control boxes under the dash. I was wondering if anyone knows EXACTLY where the module is located, and what I'm looking for. I've seen forums on Taurus's that state the module is directly above the accelerator pedal, but it's not located there on my Sable wagon. The keypad will lock the doors, as it's supposed to...it's unlocking the doors that doesn't work. I hate to be so lengthy in this post, but I'm hoping that the keycode in the drivers manual is wrong, and I can get the correct code from the module itself. My car is a wagon, so the code is NOT in the trunk, as it would be in a sedan. I've also seen illustrations for Taurus's that show the exact location of the module, but that is NO help for the Sable wagon. I want to ensure that the code is correct, before I pay a dealer to do something that I can (hopefully)look up myself. Thanks again!!
  • automan227automan227 Posts: 118
    I know that it is in the trunk on my G4 Taurus, but that doesn't really help you.

    You can check some of your door jambs, particularly the trunk area. See if you have any access panels in the trunk that come off (IE for a CD Changer), and see if they have it in there.

    Also, I know its far fetched, but perhaps under the hood?

    Sorry I can't be of more help.

    AS
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    Did you buy from private party, used car dealer, or a Ford or Mercury dealer?

    If you bought it private party, can you contact them and get the code? If you bought from a used car dealer or new car dealer, they should be responsible for getting you the code or reprogramming it no charge, as in my opinion, you did not get the car complete if you did not get the code or a reprogrammed keypad.
  • The code is on a sticker on the computer, behind the glovebox, on the firewall, IIRC. It IS on the computer.
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