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Pontiac Grand Prix - 2000-2005
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After driving all those cars I would say, without question, the imports are far superior to the domestics. I remember driving the Grand Prixand then going to the Toyota dealer, driving the Camry and being shocked at how much smoother, more refined and better designed and engineered it is than the Pontiac or any of the domestics.
My favorite out of all cars I drove? It was the Passat. I thought it provided the best driving experience. There really is something to that German heritage. The car I actually bought? My second favorite. A 2002 V6 Honda Accord. Why? I keep my cars a long time and I just didn't trust VW's long term reliability. I know with a Honda or Toyota product one is virtually assured bullet proof quality and reliability for years and years, and hundreds of thousands of miles. In the final analysis that still can't be said for American or German cars.
Just one person's perspective, of course. Others value reliability less because they only keep for a few years, some have personal ties to a company, etc.
I hope you enjoy your Accord.
"#1924 of 1924 verdi942 by vcjumper Jul 28, 2002 (06:24 pm)
The next Grand Prix has a more tuned version of the 3800SC motor and is supposed to get 280hp/280lb ft. Details are on Pontiac's site. The next Regal may end up with this motor too. It is going to be 2005 before the next Regal though, since Lutz vetoed the proposed '04 one."
Does anyone know which Pontiac site this post is referring to? I understand the Buick Regal GS is the sister car to the Gran Prix GTP. Why would GM replace the L-67 engine with one that already generates the SAME torque (280 ft-lbs)? You can already increase HP (to ~280) by installing a smaller SC pulley and an intercooler. A K&N air filter and other mods will also create more HP.
Why "replace" the engine when you can do what you describe? Who said anything about an engine replacement? Reading between the lines of what little info Pontiac offers, it sounds like it is just exactly what the post you quote says - a more tuned version of the 3800SC. They probably just freed up some horsepower with better air flow, just as you note existing owners can already do.
Check out maximum torque capabilities. Thats why.
On a similar note, I've already had the tranny on my 99 GTP rebuilt (at about 32,000 miles). Perhaps they should upgrade the tranny even if they don't up the torque! :-(
FYI - adding a tranny cooler and switching to synthetic ATF will help and is a good idea for anyone making any serious power mods such as a smaller SC pulley.
He is thinking of replacing them and is looking at options. Any suggestions?
Oh well, if they are only as good as OEM I'll settle for that since the OEMs went 50K miles.
To answer your question I would say it all depends on the price, but yes...I think its worth it. But for peace of mind I always recommend an extended warranty for newer "used" cars.
I also modified mine to about 300hp! weeeeeeeeeee!
ALso,is there anything I should be wary of,since there is a supercharger?Any special care I should know?
I think you can negotiate $12,000 for the car. Maybe 12,800 with extended warranty. I had 18,000 miles on my car when I bought it.
Have fun!
www.grandprix.net
Haven't had the steering problem you describe, but did have tranny probs. Good luck. It's a fun car when it's running properly, eh?
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5220&sid=178&n=156
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beach15 : Great looking 2004 GP. Apparently it should be here middle of next year.
Have the dealer check it out, but be prepared that there may not be anything wrong with the system.
--Robert
I saw some drawings of the new GP, much cleaner than the old and current. Nice looking car and I understand a bit more HP. I'm struggling to decide on making a screaming deal on a 2002, wait for the new GP or go after one of the new GTOs due out next year!
3.4" blower pulley
gotorback pulley belt
Random Tech. 3" Downpipe
180 thermostat
Mobil 1 synthetic
K&N is made of an oiled cotton fiber that provides less of a restriction than paper filters such as FRAM. A stock replacement K&N filter will net you unnoticeable gains.
These are pictures of my Fenderwell setup. As with any free flowing exhaust you will hear some intake noise including the supercharger whine at wide open throttle or partial engine load. You can feel it the most at the upper RPM range:
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291506015
Can anyone give me more info? Thanks in advance.
Ed
Does anyone know how it was packaged? Was it a stand-alone option, or was it in a package with, say, leather, heated driver's seat, and a few other things?
Where did you all find the information regarding the dual climate control? Is it online somewhere, or is it just based on cars you have seen?
Ed
Like the new interior. SE is gonzo.
If they want a conservative car, get a Century.
media.gm.com
I only wish the base motor was one of the new ohc engines. That said the 3800 is pretty good.
in the mid sizers. Even Ford has that.
Isn't the Ford ohc made by someone else though?