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Pontiac Grand Prix - 2000-2005
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The new Accord interior is just as nice as my Infiniti I30 interior.... Before I got out of it I almost thought I was in an infiniti/acura.
Great ride. Nice turning, although it was a bit floaty. I guess I need to try a Comp-G - dealer didn't have any of those.
I liked how smooth the ride was and how quiet it was inside.
I asked a colleague with manual 330i to race me a bit and he barely pulled away after 50mph. I actually stopped pushing GTP too hard for fear of cops.
I always loved GTP's power and how it is always available.
By comparison I often have to floor my Acura TL-S and wait for the little devils inside to wake up. Sometimes by the time they wake up it is too late to jump into a spot that was opened a second ago.
With GTP - you see a spot, you point, you shoot, done.
Also GTP felt like it had soft brakes, but actually they are not soft, they are smooth.
After I drove the GTP, I got into my Acura TL-S and found myself overshooting stop lines.
Something I didn't like - how the interior window sill looks from outside near the front window corner. Not a clean design when viewed from outside.
GTP turns great but at the same time it feels floaty, I guess one can get used to that. Or get a Comp-G.
Red glowing MPH in the speedo is annoying. I kept noticing it and thinking it was some kind f warning.
>>By comparison I often have to floor my Acura TL-S and wait for the little devils inside to wake up. Sometimes by the time they wake up it is too late to jump into a spot that was opened a second ago.<<
Ditto with my 227hp I30t, thats a SOHC or DOHC engine for you you have to wind them up like a sewing machine to get pwr from them, the VVT or vtech has helped with low end pwr, but still no match for the 3800. Esp the S/C 3800. Pushrod 3800 gives you instant response at nearly any rpm. My i30t dosen't make decent power until it is too late sometimes.. I agree. But once you are on it happily/refinely winds to its 6500rpm
I have to disagree with you, The new accord interior is near luxury car territory, much better then any W body. Too bad they can't improve the ugly backend...
Haven't sat in or drove the mazda 6 yet, I should.
I went fo the GTP because I would rather have the sportier coupe and much more power, GTP felt sportier to drive, It is much EASIER and CHEAPER to modify a GTP 3800 then it is a Intrigue 3.5 to make lots of pwr. interior was last on my list. Besides I had the '95 Aurora, their flagship car already, didn't want to downgrade to an Intrigue. My i30t interior is 10x better then my GTP.
You are right though, much easier to modify the 3800 SC.
You can modify and add an aftermarket SC to the 3.5, but it's bick bucks and not sure what that does to the reliability issues.
There is a guy that has a '98 intrigue with the 3800 that he dropped the L67 or 3800 SC engine into with major mods, talk about a sleeper, you wouldn't know until he he posted a 1//4 in the low 13's one night... nice.
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Actually the Intrigue 1999 and 2001 are on CR used car list to avoid, the 1997 GP is on that list
It's funny when the Honda Toyota people tell you how their car is the #1 selling so it must be the best, somebody forgot to tell these people that actually the Ford F150 has been the #1 seller for like 20+ yrs in a row now. Outsells the Accord by 2-1. There were a few yrs when the Taruaus outsold the Accord. Most sales don't make a car the best, like some people think. These same people also never mention the sludge problem Toyota/Lexus had with their 3.0L V6 from 1996-2000? Or the Honda auto tranny problems, esp with the Odyssey from 1999-2001, why doesn't that ever reflect in the consumer reports or vehicle surveys? The tranny was given a perfect rating in CR from 1995-2001 yet Honda admitted it had problems? Biased reviewers?? BTW.. where is Honda's V8 engine? Oops they don't have one, their flagship Acura still makes do with a V6 while the competition has V8's for years.
If GM fixed up more of their interiors their sells would instantly increase.
From Consumer Reports February 2002.
It is sporty regardless of what CR says, yet they said the Old man's floaty boat riding Avalon was actually agile or well handling somewhere... I don't put any merit in what CR comes up with...
I actually like the look of the 04 GP dash better than my Intrigue in many ways. Problem with the GP is the price range is huge and on the lower end GT, the dash quality is just fine. On the GTP $$ side, it's a bit low end.
Lots of GM bashing going on at the Honda Accord forum. As an Accord owner I used to do it also, but I'm happy with my car and I do thing GM has come a long way from 10 years ago. If I had to do it again tomorrow I would buy another 04 Grand
Prix GT2!!!!!!
Yes, near $30k is too much for a GTP COMP G, I would rather have a leftover '03 I35 for that price or cheaper. Or the leftover '03 GTP's if any exisit. The '04 GT is priced ok.
Yes the leather/seats and dash readout/speedo tach are better in the 04...but the rest is the same cheapness Still not up to the competition yet in the interior, everything else is ok.
I only get leather in my cars esp with kids, much easier to clean up and help prevent stains... As for the Accord, has always been a dull appliance, esp. in 4 door form. The 4cylinder was always too underpowered for my tatests, should be V6 only, but then they would loose sales, since only 20% of Accords are V6's... And the new 2003 sedan backend is Butt ugly... They should have made the 4 door out of the coupe which has some nice hints of Mercedes in the backend.
I'm a GM fan, but I will give Honda credit for getting 240hp from tht 3.0L and the nice interior. Just wish they could make an exciting/sporty accord.
they would increase by more than they know, but there are a few other things they need to work on yet too.
Toyota Camry - a Japanese Buick. I think the Camry is actually more of a Buick than a Buick will be. I never see anyone under 40 driving on and most are sold to seniors.
Oldsman, The V6 Accord didn't really feel much faster than the 04 GT. The 40 extra HP don't show much, that's for sure. Maybe on the highway it would be a bit faster for passing.
The 1997-2003 dash is stylish and like the DIC but it is CHEAP , but I bought the car for its styling/handling and 240HP and its a coupe, easy mods, definitely not the cheap interior. To me the 2004 interior while yes improved, still not up to the competition, still on the cheap side esp if you are laying down nearly $30k for it in GTP form. I like the trip computer better on the '03 then the new '04...
Even the G bodies of 1978-1987 with the std 3.8 V6 were total wastes, that couldn't move out of their own ways EXCEPT the Buick Turbocharged versions... the optional 5.0L 305 or 307 was the way to go in those yrs on the g body... even then they were only 140-150hp, but 250+ torque. The worst one I ever tested in 1986 when I was buying my first new car was a G body Olds Supreme V8 loaded with the 2.14 final drive ratio... the slowest V8 I ever drove in my life... It used the undersized TH250 3 spd tranny and you could nearly wind out 1st gear to 50mph+ the 2.14 ratio killed the V8, gas mileage car thats all. I spent the extra on the 442, which gave you 30 more horse, modes 170 and that car actually had good pwr for 1986, 9 second car. Was very bad in any snow.
Its funny that the Cavalier that now dates back to 1995 minus its new echotech 4 banger and new back/front ends actually has increased sales by 10 or 20% recently... Those are crude cars... I rented an new 2001 Sunfire with the base 120hp engine and auto tranny? In the summer with the A/C on and 2 people in the car i couldn't move out of its own way, had to floor it everytime to pull out. It was very noisy past 3000 rpm.
I would never be buying a Caraccordtaruaus, SHO edition was nice.
Yeah what is up with that Very LOW hanging tailpip on the new camry's? I thought I was the only one who noticed that?
The M class Mercedes, the early ones were nightmares, 2 of my neighbors had nothing but problems with their ML320's and traded them in, though I have heared they are ok now.
The funniest thing is when you see someone usually a kid that inherited his mommy/daddy's accord/camry try to dress it up or sport it up, a stock GP still looks better, lol. Big coffee can exhaust tips and type R stickers don't make your car go any faster, they make them sound like lawnmowers on steroids.
I will stick with my sports coupes and luxury cars, I know the reliability may not be as good as toyota/honda, but that is what the warranty is for, believe me, honda's toyota's break too... sludge V6 from toyotoa and bad trannys from honda in the late 1990's early '00s they aren't as perfect either
Notice the press never picks up on that stuff, but they will stop at nothing to knock anything GM does..... I don't think GM cars are as bad as the press makes them out to be, drive it yourself. I have driven in my friends 2001 Accord and I'm NOT impressed in anyway and I can't see how that car wins all these competitions?? Esp that horrible glove compartment lid/handle that is almost as high as the airbag, or the hard to read backlit LCD's for clock/radio, or the crappy radios.. you usually can't get BOSE until you step up to an Acura. There is no styling whatsoever. But I guess 400000 people think otherwise, to each their own.
Belts suck, it's a big negative on an Accord if you are holding long term.
Reliability is important to me, but it's not the sole deciding factor. And in any way, I always do my homework about the specific model I'm interested in, whether it's a car or soap.
Evandro, my 2001 I30t has NO trip computer or dual zone climate control and this is a luxury car with a $34k msrp, go figure?
My 2002 GTP at nearly 8k miles, no warpage stops fine. I do notice after rain the rotors rust but that rust disappears once you use the car/brakes. Same thing happens to my 2001 I30t.
My 1995 Aurora and 1986 442 are the only cars I have ever owned where the rear and front brakes wore at the same rate, every 25-30k miles.
The A/C compressor on my 1995 aurora went bad in 2000 and was $998.00 at the Olds Dealer, I only had to pay a $25.00 deductible, THANKGOD!! That repair almost paid for the warranty. My 1995 aurora was troublefree until the 5yr mark, 2000 then you name it, it as in for repair every 2 months.. till I traded it in on the 2001 I30t.
The dealers tried blaming my oil consumption problem a known earlier NORTHSTAR problem on me using Mobil 1 synthetic oil. BS.... Guess what the last 5k mile I switched back to regular oil... same oil consumption rate, problem was that the ext warranty company was giving me hard time on how to fix it, so I did fix it, I traded the car in at my local infiniti dealer...
I have always used MOBIL 1 in all my cars, tranny and engine synthetic, and only had one problem in the 1997 GTP, leaking valve cover gaskets at 40k. Otherwise, leak and consumption free in all my other cars...
- Won't even talk about the 82' Firebird my wife had when we were married.
- I loved my 86' Grand Am SE w/3L V6: It was quick and fun to drive. But it saw the shop a lot. I think GM quit selling 100k/6Yr $0 deductable warranties after that....
- But our 89' Sunbird was sold to family friends at ~100k they ran it for another 60k-70k and traded it off/sold it. In over 160kmiles and 6-7 years ONE fuel injector was replaced on it's 4 cylinder engine; no other breakage only normal wear and tear.
- Traded my 96' Bonneville with over 60k on it and hadn't had it to the shop for anything but oil changes.
The reliability of our Subaru, Toyota and Volvo have all been in between.
The only negatives i had on it were the low roof in the front I'm 5'11 not too tall, yes in town it was boaty, The brakes were so-so, not to great braking. much better for highway cruising. Lane changes took too long. 130 mph in that car was impressive... it was governed to somewhere around there with the autobahn package. At 85mph if you nailed the gas, it still had balls and would take off.
I loved the styling, still do on the 1995-1999 aurora, just like the RIviera styling... The 2001 was a disapointment styling wise but drives/handles much better. Gm said they wanted less of a "spaceship" and offered the 3.5 to drum up sales... If you get an Aurora make sure it has the 4.0 In 2000 people still thought my car was brandnew because of the styling. I still think the 1995 looke newer then the 2001, When I parked next to LS400's I stood out and had people asking meall the time in late 1994, what is that? Meanwhile everyone just walked past their dull LS400.
Only other negatives where the size, it wasn't very roomy for a fullsized car. My GTP trunk was the same 16.0 cu ft size but felt bigger, because the Aurora trunk opening was very narrow. The right front seat always felt cramped. The front roof pillar felt low, I'm 5'11, the big A sized pillars "tree trunk sized" , probably to make up for the frameless windows. But that car had NO RATTLES.. even 6yrs later. Solid as a rock. The auror was notoriously nose heavy, I think 70/30 weight distribution on a 3967 lb car. Nice luxury cruiser, certainly no handler. Very nice. Too bad mine had problems after 5yrs. People forget that back in 1994 that car was rated at 24mhz? It was the stiffest structure of any car excluding other GM products... Mine was rattle free and had a decent interior.
only thing that sucked was no HUD?? agian the GP sedan was nearly as roomy. But ver nice car. aurora interior made the GP interior look like crap. In town I only got about 14mpg... but on the highway from NJ to canada/niagar falls I got nearly 25 according to the computer, that was a cool computer, oil psi, batter voltage...
About having problems having problems American Cars and Japanese Cars both have their problems. The Europeans have really slipped.
In my personal experience you either get a GOOD car or a BAD one, I have had experiences with both.
yeah that '03 Accord rear, ugh! They should have based the sedan on the coupe like GM did with the Grand Prix, that would have been nicer.
If you remember the 4 door G bodies were uglier and different from 1978-1987 then their 2 door coupe counterparts too... the 2 door G bodies were so much bette looking.
Look at a 1985 Olds Cutlass supreme 4 door and 2 door, 2 door looks much better.
About the Odyssey I'll take the Mazda MPV instead.
I have gone to a Honda dealer a few times: 2 times for brochures and once to go look at an Accord Coupe. I didn't buy the Accord Coupe though.
The marauder was going for MSRP $35k or higher, then when they couldn't sell them Mercury offered a $2k rebate and dropped the price to $30k or less. Merc only sold 50% of what they had forecasted for the 1st yr. A stock GTP is still faster then a marauder...that dates to '92 body and '78 chassis.
Dindak, VW had the coil problem/recall, and the Passat dates to 1999, needs a new style. VW has gone to upscale, now the Tourag? If I'm spending $30k + my car better say AUDI on it, not VW....
I like the MPV: You don't have to pay sticker like the Odyessy and its not cartooni-ish looking like the new Toyota Sienna. The Sienna's interior is very impressive but the exterior styling I do not like. The Ford Wind-star I'm not sure about its reliability. Very nice exterior styling though on the Windstar.
One strange thing, the odyssey only has 2 power outlets?? in the front and the very back? My GTP coupe has the same amount, 2? Thats fine for a coupe, but not for a minivan, my dad has the fully loaded odyssey 2003.
The new MPV is nice, but Does NOT have the room of the Odyssey/Siena, esp behind the 3rd row. Sienna interior is near Lexus, pretty nice, but the exterior is so/so. Thw worst were the "DUSTBUSTER" looking GM mivinans up until 1996.
GM minivans date to 1997 now... need an overhaul.