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Pontiac Grand Prix - 2000-2005
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Thanks, but I'll keep my American made 04 Grand Prix GT2 that I paid only about $20K for with all the incentives.
:-(
As for Aussie built cars my two Diamantes have been as reliable as my Toyota Prizm was. I won't claim they are fabulous autos, just merely that its not the flying parts machine someone else suggested (hi harry!). It does a good Camry imitation as far as holding up. All the homers need to accept that other countries can build a solid car.
GM should bring over the Holden Caprice and sell it here as the Chevy Caprice. Watch the register $$$$$$. That car has a nice interior as well. Or maybe a real upscale Buick......
low thirties is not an outrageous price for the GTO considering how much the 350z, and g35 are. Whats outrageous is a Bonneville with a sticker approaching 40k, or a GTP thats around 31k. Compared to that, a 33k GTO is a bargain.
A GP GTP coupe may have been a good price, but it doesn't have the more complete package of the nicer RWD GTO.
Fortunately blizzaks made me able to still USE the car.
traction control and abs don't help much. weight dist. and snow tires are the key.
In the snow states people AVOID RWD if possible. That's partly why the GP was so successful. A sporty car that can go through snow. Its also why cars like the Maxima, 9-3 and TSX/TL will have a solid fan base.
Harry why did you find my factual post ridiculous. BTW, if you see Lutz, tell him hi and let him know I'd gladly have lunch with him and ask him why the new Malibu doesn't dethrone the Camry and Accord. Tell him thanks for the GTO, though and tell him to bring the Caprice over. The cops would love it too. Tell him I've really enjoyed my last 3 Fords because they have had excellent OHC powertrains in them. Tell him yeah the GTP was great but they shoulda had a supercharged Shortstar in there. Tell him the pushrod G6 is a huge mistake. Ask him why the SSR is such a bloated pig. Ask why the COlorado has no 6 cylinder. Ask him why the Ion turned out like it did. Tell him its great the Bonneville has been partially fixed with the new 8 cylinder, Aurora seats and cleaned up look, but the interior needs an overhaul pronto. Oh, and the pricetag is way too high. I'd be happy to have a drink with him and ask him why GM North America can't seem to put decent looking plastic in its cars. Maybe he can convince me some reasons to get excited about the GP. Thank him for the 9-3 and et him know the 9-7 isn't gonna work out. Saabists won't think it pure.
No one who can own a cool car like GTO is gonna expose it to a lot of road salt or risk accident in icy conditions. Harry how much ICE and SNOW or blinding blizzards have you driven in? Just curious.....only takes one bad snow day to sell you FWD.
User does best not to faint!
I see in the paper today they are now advertising GT1s with ABS and alloys for a little over C$24K cash (U$17K). Not a bad deal at all.
from carpoint
"The Mitsubishi Diamante holds the distinction of being the only new car sold in America that is built in Australia."
of course now a bit dated since the GTO is here but note the Diamante scores a 5 of 5 in reliability for all its model years. Not sure Harry, how you can make a broad claim because a car is aussie its a bucket of bolts. Because there's been until now one aussie car here and its held up pretty well.
We've been all over the place for quite some time now.
Let us know how the show visit goes. Maybe they will have a Maxx you can sit in.
Regfootball, Yes FWD and AWD is king here. That said, I see a lot of RWD drive cars these days so obviously some people don't care. Should be interesting to see how the GP does in the snow this winter.
(joking)
The leg room issue is compounded by the fact that the passenger seat has a thick hard plastic back on it, which digs into the knees of the back seat passenger.
On a positive note, I used the near-90 degree opening back doors to get a TV in the back seat the other day. That does work as advertised!
Anyone know how sales of the 04 are going vs last year?
You hit the nail on the head! I'd rather have my GP in my driveway than the Accord in my neighbor's driveway, even if it has better resale!
These people buy these expensive $40k+ rear drive cars which are useless in snow...
I got stuck behind a CLK320 which was doing 10mph in a 35 zone, couldn't go any faster.. if he tried, he was all over the road... when I got a chance I went right around him, in my much cheaper fwd car.
I had a 1997 GTP coupe and now 2002 GTP coupe and the back seat legroom is very good, especially for a coupe!! The roomiest coupe backseat I have ever sat in. I'm almost 5'11 in height and I have about 2 to 3 inches before my knees hit the seat. In the coupe it can be hard to get in an out esp. if you are elderly or overweight.
Remember the coupe had more backseat legroom then the sedan!! Coupe was 36.1 inches, sedan was 35.8 inches for REAR LEGROOM. Go figure?? how did GM do that one??
BTW.. the Grand PRix of 1997-2003 had backseat cupholders they were built into the armrest in the center. They did stink though.. not that sturdy or great
My 6000rpm is almost the same as the DOHC in the Max. Theirs is either 6000 or 6500. Big deal...
I'm curious about the 3 valves per cylinder pushrods that GM will be launching next year. However, there's an overly complex lever mechanism to actuate the exhaust valve on the far side. I wonder why it had to be so when the 426 Hemi had angled valves with simple pushrods...
:-)
Yes, the original 426 V8 Hemi had pushrods, 2 valves per cylinder forming a V, hemispherical combustion chambers and bulged pistons. It produced North of 400HP then.
Same reason names like the Malibu and Impala were brought back.
Corvette owners, for instance, consider HUD indispensable to avoid tickets, one thing the GTP owners probably agree with. ;-)
If it had not been for the GTP's back seat, Lutz might have made me a sale!
So, it will probably be the Mazda6 wagon or hatch for me. I would have rather had the Pontiac GP, but I MUST have a rear seat suitable for business passengers.
I might also like the Ford 500, but there is NO way I can wait that long...
Since day 1 I've noticed that when I turn the rear window defroster on, I get radio interference. I told the dealer about this and they suggested driving the car for a longer period since the rear defroster uses a lot of battery power. Didn't make sense to me since I drove 15 miles on the highway to the dealer, and the battery should have recharged by then. Anyway, the radio interference is still there whenever I push that button. Anybody else notice this?