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  • mvargo1mvargo1 Posts: 298
    It is one bulb with 7 lenses and a Zenon Headlight should last just about forever because there is no filament, just an arc through an inert gas to keep the electrodes from corroding
  • himomerhimomer Posts: 59
    Well i was misinformed!
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  • jimxojimxo Posts: 423
    Everything we do in life is for personal gain. I personally gain from the views expressed in this forum and I promote the cars I like.

    My email is public so I offered to assist someone via email with no mention of compensation.

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  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    Surprising that the new Q is not selling well. Sales for June are as follows:

    LS 430 -- 2724
    7-Series -- 2077
    S-Class -- 1829
    Q45 -- 543

    Note the 7-Series had a $12,000 rebate during the month which helped boost sales.
  • jimxojimxo Posts: 423
    What kind of numbers did Infiniti expect?

    I drive a lot and have seen only two thus far.

    Infiniti of Lisle (IL) who claims to be the nation's number one sales leader has 4-5 units for sale (which includes the GM's demo).
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,589
    The low "Q" sales are not surprising. They're not dealing on them and should be.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Where did you get the data and does Audi even sell 200 A-8's a month? I'm an LS430 owner but finally saw the new Q on the road and thought it looked nicer than in pix and more massive looking (thus impressive) than what I would have thought. Given Infiniti's are also quite reliable and the car is an excellent value I'm surprised that it is selling slowly. I wouldn't think Infiniti would "deal" the car given it seems to be "right priced". BTW - NJ dealers are still heavily discounting the 7 and there still seem to be lots of them on the BMW lots I drive past. Are the sales you posted real consumer sales or sales from BMW to dealers?
  • kappaman1kappaman1 Posts: 18
    Clearly the new Q is a car that deserves strong consideration when buying a luxury high end performance car. So I guess if the new Q starts to sell like you alledge the lexus is selling you would consider the car, and not the perception. There is little question that the car can hold its own plus allow you to keep several grand in your pocket. It's just, I think, a matter of marketing keeping pace with the designers and engineers. Often I see infiniti owners and say there goes someone with a sense of style, performance and value!
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    All auto manufacturers release their monthly sales numbers via press releases. These can be accessed at prnewswire.com, usually around the 2nd-3rd of each month for the previous month's sales.

    Audi A8 sales in June were 182.

    I think a lot of Infiniti's woes can be traced to a lack of long-term direction. Look at Infiniti vs. Lexus, since they started within a few months of each other.

    1. Infiniti has brought out and then completely discontiuned two models, the M30 and J30 (plus the G20 if you count it was gone for several years). Lexus has never done that. This does not bode well for the brand long-term.

    2. Infiniti has yet to develop a unique, ground-breaking car since the first Q45. The new G35 may be such a car, we'll have to see. Meanwhile, Lexus has brought out cars such as the original SC300/400, RX300 and new SC430. Each has helped elevate the status of the brand and been very successful.

    3. Infiniti brought out a 4-cylinder car in the G20, a huge mistake in my opinion. The Maxima is nicer. Lexus avoided overlapping the Toyota and Lexus brands.

    4. Many of Infiniti's cars are way too similar. The QX4 is just a facelifted Pathfinder, and you can't even tell an I30 from a Maxima. At least the Camry and ES 300 share no common non-mechanical parts, inside or out. (granted the Land Cruiser and LX 470 are similar too, but this is aniche product).

    The northern suburbs of Chicago are one of the most exclusive in the entire country in terms of household income. There are three Lexus dealers in this area. The only Infiniti dealer closed several years ago (there is another one further out). The old sales manager at that dealer now sells BMWs, and he told me Infiniti had a total lack of investment in cars and strategic direction. Consumers see past that. It will take some good new cars, and some time, for Infiniti too rebuild their reputation. But I think it can be done.

    It is in our best interest as consumers to see all manufacturers build the best possible cars.
  • tgif888tgif888 Posts: 351
    Lexus also discontinued the ES250.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    The Lexus ES 250 was not discontinued. It was replaced in June 1991 with the ES 300. It was/is still an ES, just with a bigger engine -- mid-size, FWD, near-luxury sedan. Just like when Mercedes redid the E300 and it became the E320.

    Infiniti, on the other hand, dropped the M30 (it was a coupe and convertible which was NEVER replaced in the lineup) and also dropped the J30 (a rear-drive sedan which was also NEVER replaced). Infiniti upset a lot of buyers by doing this.
  • tgif888tgif888 Posts: 351
    Well, you are right. The Infiniti's starting point was already inferior to Lexus. Tell you the truth, I wasn't impressed with the nature's ad on Infiniti when it first markets itself. While, Lexus already offered the look on its line up. We only see rain, tree, and thunder in the Infiniti's ad.

    Give Infiniti sometime and it is catching up. Infiniti just needs to change people's idea on the Infiniti brand.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    I think that Infiniti should call this new G35 the J35, because they both are rear wheel drive, and have v6 engines.
  • mvargo1mvargo1 Posts: 298
    Q sales have been wonderful compared to last year. It is going to take a year or so for enough awareness of the Q to get out. It takes time to build an image for a car and even longer to rebuild that image. Infiniti killed themselves with the '97-'01 Q. It was a perfectly good car it just was not as good as the previous generation. After that kind of a mistake it takes a while to rebuild.

    The '02 Q is one of the best cars currently on the market in its class and when you consider what you are getting for your money it is a lot of car for the dollar, but give it time and you will see. Infiniti should hold the line with the Q to avoid the kind of depreciation that plagued the previous model.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Thanks. I should have known about Prnewswire having dealt with them often for financial data on my job years ago. I think you make good points. Infiniti's lack of offerings has hurt them. They seem to be getting more aggressive now but I think they made a marketing mistake with the new Z. That should have been taken up several notches in class and been pre-marketed as Infiniti's version of the SC430 priced in the $50-55k range. It would have brought people into the showrooms. My Lexus dealer tells me the SC430 has helped out sales of the LS430 and even said that the new Q (ironically) helped firm up the prices of the LS430 which is born out by the tmv's posted by Edmunds though I never did see LS430's discounted to the levels posted by Edmunds in the first place. Nor did I see the BMW 7 show up on Edmunds tmv at the prices they were discounted to here in New Jersey ($10-14k off list).

    I think Infiniti also needs the bigger truck that Lexus has in the LX470. Granted the Landcruiser (which I will depart with shortly) was a marquee truck to start with so it made sense to re-badge it as a Lexus which made things easy for them. I test drove the LX470 and decided to buy it recently because I continue to need 3 rows of seats and it is the limit in size that my wife will drive plus I got such a great buy on it. By the way it rides like the old LS400 - quiet and very smooth for such a large truck - with a lot more luxury feel than the Landcruiser. Had Infiniti had a big truck I would have went to test it.

    Lastly remember that Nissan never had the financial resources that Toyota had at the launch of the luxury brands and Toyota has gotten much stronger since then while Nissan weakened considerably. I think the biggest mistake Nissan could make with Infiniti is to try to compete for the Lexus customer. What they need to do is cut into BMW the way Lexus cut into Mercedes. They want to take away the would-be customer not the existing 7 customer as that is a near impossible task. Lexus LS430 buyers aren't going to run to Infiniti when their leases are up. They will stay put particularly when Lexus raises the bar even higher with the next version of the LS430/500/600 or whatever it becomes with optioned engines.
  • mvargo1mvargo1 Posts: 298
    Infiniti will have a full size SUV in two years.

    The G35 which serves as the platform for the Z-car(like the J30 before it) is intended to compete against the 3 series and other compact sport sedans. It will also serve as a replacement for the M30 when the coupe and convertable versions come out. In addition the FX45 represents a radical new direction for Infiniti with large sport sedan qualities, a high HP V8 and the outstanding AWD system from the Skyline.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    I think the issue raised is not what Infiniti is doing now but has its' past poor management decisions created a poor brand image that is beyond repair. I don't think so because you can see the committment they made in the new Q to raising the bar and secondly I think we are headed into a new bull market 6-12 months out which is slowly starting now. This will create newer (and more) luxury car buyers. Infiniti has to reach them. As an LS400 and now a LS430 buyer I don't see myself going to Infiniti for the lux car and I've always thought of Infiniti as Japan's BMW and Lexus as Japan's Mercedes. But if I was new to the scene and reaching a bit the new Q would get my interest quickly. Being able to afford more I will stay with Lexus and evaluate them vs. an S-430/500 as I did on this go round. The Lexus won my tests over the S-430 by quite a bit and over the S-500 narrowly but given the problems I read about on the S board, that narrow victory has widened considerably. Infiniti needs to get to that level and given its' high reliability grades it definitely can. I hope it makes it - why would anyone want one less luxury brand around. By the way old Q owners I know also rave about the car (the old model) and stay with it which gives it a darn good foundation if it can attract the new buyers.
  • I don't belive Lexus will offer different engine options for the LS. Lexus/ Toyota has always tried to find what people want and give them that. If you look at the Tundra, Toyota focused on making a great 1/2 ton extended or standard cab, V-6 or V-8 engine choice. You won't see them offering several different V-8's. With the LS they are trying to reach a certain price point and because most people take the small or medium V-8 option, they hit it perfectly. Look at the S class, most of the ones you see are S430's with only a few being S500's, I've only seen one S600. On top of that, Lexus wouldn't have any other cars to share the motor with, although it would be cool, I can't see an SC600. I would like to see Lexus make some hotter V-8's though, under the L-Sport name. Kinda like an AMG or M car. And regarding the Q45, I spoke with the local dealer and he said next year Infiniti would produce a 400 horsepower "sport model", any word on this ?
  • fennfenn Posts: 197
    I have been driving my new Q45 for two months, It has been a flawless, troublefree experience. For a newly introduced car, that is impressive. I just love this car. I have owned four previous Q45's dating back to it's 1990 introduction, but this one is the best.

    That it the good news. The bad news for Infiniti is that this new car still seems to be flying below most people's radar.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    Great post, I couldn't agree with you more. My family at one time or another has purchased many new Lexuses (1990, 1993, 1996 LS400s; 1995, 1999 GS300s; 1995 ES300), but nobody has owned my all-time favorite, the new LS430. Enjoy your beautiful car.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Thanks. It is a fabulous car and I've had nothing but flawless performance from Lexus for 6 1/2 years running. I'm sure the new Q is also a wonderful car. No one puts that level of effort into a product unless they want it to be top shelf material. I simply prefer Lexus.

    DonFenn - goodluck to you. I understand your post very well which is why I believe if Lexus or Infiniti captures you as a customer, given their phenomenal reliability, you're not going anywhere else unless you put status (and the other guys are weakening while Lexus is strengthening very fast (and I hope Infiniti does the same) as a number one priority. I almost made that mistake 6 months ago - no chance of it ever happening again. By the way how good is the 300 watt Bose stereo. The ML in the LS430 is the best I've ever heard but admittedly I haven't heard Infiniti's Bose. The ML seems to get better as you play it.
  • adobadob Posts: 18
    I love my 99 Q, and my local Socal dealer provides great service, despite the fact that they are in a dumpy, old facility. I would buy another vehicle from them, and likely will when the lease is up.

    My sister has the exact opposite opinion. The one dealer in Northern Virgia, provides terrible service. She was much happier with her Honda dealer. The stories I have heard from her would make me NEVER own an Infiniti product in her area.

    Infact after buying her 2000 Q for cash, she really wants to get rid of it and would never consider Infiniti again. This after I convinced her what a good car it is. All because of the after sale service.

    Infiniti will never match the likes of Lexus or MB with just a great product. Their dealers, especially on the East coast from what I've heard, turn off current and potential customers all the time. When you only have 1 dealer within 50 miles, you have little choice but go elsewhere. That is a shame, as I said I have no such problem and like their whole line.
  • countdodocountdodo Posts: 1
    How does the rear seat room of the Q45 compare to that of the LS430? anyone? thanks.
  • fennfenn Posts: 197
    The new Q's stereo is great. Quite awesome. I have not compared it to the upgraded Mark Levinson system in the Lexus, but the auto reviewers that have have heard both have found it comparable. I think one of the auto magazines even preferred it.

    I believe that the back seat room in the new Q is much improved over the previous version and is competitive with the Lexus. It may be just a tad smaller in space, but it is in same range. Two people are quite comfortable in the back seat. Although, the center rear postion is not very comfy.

    As for the complaint about East Coast service, I think that somebody should contact the Infiniti factory or zone representative. They seem so concerned about service that I cannot believe that they would let East Coast dealer's bad service destroy their reputation.

    it is ironic that everytime I have considered another car, I have let the fine service that I get from Infiniti sway me back to Infiniti. They have always tried to do everthing possible to please me. Too bad that that is no the case everywhere, but Infiniti should know this at a much higher level!
  • warnerfwarnerf Posts: 19
    Which dealer have you been using? I've been going to Infiniti of Mission Viejo. These guys are first rate. The service manager used to work at Peyton Cramer Infiniti in SouthBay. I've also used Costa Mesa Infiniti (pretty good but facility is old), Joe MacPherson Infiniti (OK, but prices are 30% higher than all the other dealers) and Cerritos Infiniti (average, and their facility is very run down)
  • fennfenn Posts: 197
    I go to Miller Infiniti In Van Nuys. They have been great to me.
  • drod2045drod2045 Posts: 39
    I live in NJ and the dealer experience for my mom was fabulous. We are even friends with them over there now.
  • sysadbsysadb Posts: 83
    ADOB,
    If your sister is disgruntled with the service she is getting from the No. Va. dealer then she might want to try Coleman Infiniti in Bethesda, Md. It's only about 10-12 miles from Rosenthal, which I presume is the offending dealer. When I lived in the DC area I used Kline Infiniti, a No. Va. dealer that closed a couple years ago. They were excellent - quick appointments always, and they would ask if I wanted the car picked up at my office or whether I preferred a loaner car, even for an oil change.
    There are surely problems between some Infiniti customers and their dealers. Even Lexus has them. However, these are infrequent. Infiniti and Lexus have been at or near the top of all the customer satisfaction surveys taken since they were introduced. The probability is very high that a customer will have a good experience at these dealers.
  • adobadob Posts: 18
    The bad service is from Rosenthal, they have quite a mess over there. She has talked to several customers at Rosenthal and they've had the same experience. She could go to Bethesda (I would estimate the distance more like 20 miles away??) but that would be a total of 40 miles over the bridge into another state - she'd rather dump the car over that commute. I have been hounding her to call Infiniti Corp., but after the constant back and forth with Rosenthal, damage to her car, lying about service never performed, taking no responsibility for chromes they sold her that turned out to be all bent - she's over it.

    I guess, the issue is when there is only one dealer in a geography, they can pretty much behave how they want - just like any monopoly. Sure service ineptitude will not help expand the market base, but as long as sales and product can keep getting in new customers they manage to survive. But at the expense of damaging Infinit's reputation. cest la vie.
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