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  • thanks for the response.. the thing is i did take it back to the dealer .. because there was also a problem with the alarm/keyless entry.. the doors just didnt lock properly.. they fixed that but they didn't do anything about the ringing of the door .. maybe its because i'm a girl.. the service guy took one look at me and said ... hon, thats normal.. and i was like what? no other car does that.. all he said was that it was normal and walked away! thats why i'm reluctant to go back.
  • What you need to do is treat them like crap and complain so they will get your attention. And don't buy the fact that they are really friendly. I finally got MY way, after 3 attempts to fix my Protege's door lock problem. I said it was ENOUGH after waiting in the waiting room for 4 hours, ONLY to find out they they did not have all the parts they needed to fix the car that day!!!
  • liufeiliufei Posts: 201
    Its a bad thing when that dealership is still discriminating just because you're a woman. papayyaa:
    Although I wont recommend theparallax approach (those protege owner are violent!! ^_^), he definitely has a point. You need to be more persistent and insist that this is a problem that need to be fixed. Taking a friend knowledgeable in car with you should help, because he/she can emphasize your point.

    Regarding changing the tires/shocks/struts, I'm looking into the possibility of changing the tires, but how long does it usually before you changed tires? Mine only has 15k miles on it, and I'm not expected to change them until around 30k miles, furthermore, whats a good replacement tires ? I'm looking at the Michelin X-One or the Energy, but not really sure about it.
    As for shocks/struts, wont changing it to more stiffer one result in stiffer ride as well? I dont want to sacrifice the ride for a bit better handling.
  • ldwldw Posts: 2
    I just happened across this website -- and the conversations about the 2001 Corolla -- and now I'm scared. Only yesterday I purchased one and I'm picking it up tomorrow. I've been leasing a '99 Corolla and now have bought an '01. I've been happy with the '99 and know many others who are happy with their Corollas, also. Are MOST of you happy with your vehicles?
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    That would be a "yes". ;)
  • crieckecriecke Posts: 37
    That would be another yes!

    Charlie
  • I have 7500 miles on my 2000 Corolla LE. I am, for the most part, very satisfied with it. My Corolla was built at the Ontario plant.

    Now a question for wenyue, criecke, liufei, and others:

    Have any of you noticed a rough downshift? I have the 4sp automatic. The upshifts are smooth and almost unnoticeable. But the downshifts, when trying to climb up hills for example, is not as smooth. Maybe I am just too critical.

    Thanks, I appreciate any input.
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    No, actually, I haven't noticed any rough down shift. But then again, my driving condition doesn't involve any steep hills. Maybe others have noticed it?
  • liufeiliufei Posts: 201
    Yup, I'm happy with my Corolla too.
    Regarding the downshift, yes, I do noticed that
    the downshift is not as smooth as the upshift when
    downshifting on a steep hill (have to go through
    one everyday on my way to work). I tried turning
    off the overdrive gear (mine is a 4spd auto as
    well), but now it didnt downshift at all on that
    particular hill.
    Too bad I'm too lazy to turn the overdrive on/off, but it doesnt bother me, so I guess I will stay lazy :)
  • tundradudetundradude Posts: 588
    yes, very happy with both of them
  • aamd814aamd814 Posts: 6
    I noticed that most of the people defending the Corolla 2001 are actually owners of Corolla 99 or 2000. I also want to correct a misconception here. I did not buy my Corolla 2001 for use as a "sporty" car. I am a professional and using it for commuting to work most of the time. My expectation was to have a quiet car that gets me to my destination safely. I don't drive 50-60 when taking a turn. Also, that can never happen because I guess the car will be upside down in no time if one attempts to do that.
    To define the problem better, and I am not a mechanic or speak like a salesman, I tested this "slipping on turns" problem many times now that I am aware (and scared) of it. By the time I slow down at turns, when the speed is still 25-30, the car starts to shuffle. Not only that, the car becomes difficult to maintain in a steady state. I have to go down to less than 20 to get through the turn safely (but then I am stuck with the poor acceleration, a pretty dangerous situation when entering into the highway flow). This situation is worse on a wet road. In fact I stopped taking the highway on rainy days and have to drive longer on regular streets unfortunately.

    Edmunds report say nothing about reliability. You need many years until all the problems with Corolla 2001 are accumulated and pooled and the true level of reliability can then be concluded. We know that older year Corollas are reliable and have higher resale value because they passed the test of time. But we don't know about the 2001 yet. And just because the older ones are good does not mean that the newer ones are as good. Here is the introduction part of the same report that was copied from Edmunds review: "Toyota's venerable Corolla has gone through many changes since it was first introduced in 1968. Over the course of its long life, the Corolla has appeared as a hatchback, coupe, wagon and sedan. The world has seen enough people fall in love with this car to make it the best-selling nameplate in the history of automobiles. Now, while that's neat and all, we're sure that what's really important to you and your wallet is whether this modern Corolla still has what it takes to stomp out its competitors. In short, it doesn't".
    In the rest of the report, a major problem such as that of the suspension is written in a way to sound as if it is a minor problem or fun to have.

    I also disagree with the rest of the descriptions in the report, especially that of the "smooth" and "quiet" ride. High, irritating, and intolerable noise at speed is the most noticeable feature of this car and needs no proof to discern. I had a Corolla 87 that had 120,000 miles on it that was way less noisier at speed than the 2001. You don't need a musical ear to discover that. What a strange thing to have.
    I also keep thinking about the smooth ride every
    time the car jumps and echo-jumps at the simplest road bump. A stiff, rough and choppy ride is the usual pattern with this car.
    As for quality, I don't know what is Edmunds criteria for definition of quality or good quality , but as the interior plastic started to deform and peel off only few weeks after purchase, quality was "exuding" for sure. The interior layout is redundant, poorly fitted and full of bends and careless alignment. This is especially true for the floor lining. It would
    have been much better if the manufacturer gave the interior lining as a kit for assembly by the customer. That would have resulted in a better look I guess.

    I believe a not-as-famous small car like Hyundai Elantra or the like can also fulfill the role of a small family/compact car. it can take you to work or the supermarket as good and as safely as Corolla does, if that is what's left for this car to speak about.
    Corolla reputation that is ingrained in the minds of most people refers to the models before 2001 and perhaps before 97. It's time to revisit that. I think Hyundai or similar companies are giving long warranties not only because of knowing about less reliability of their cars, but mostly because they know that reputation is an illusion that refers to the past. The illusion that recent Corollas are as good as the older ones is what makes people go for the Corolla. That's what I did. To make it through the disillusionment, it requires a lot of objectivity to admit the truth about the features of a newly -introduced car, and not just an emotional bias. I do sincerely wish if my 2001 Corolla was as good as the 87 that I had.
    For those who want to buy a 2001 Corolla, test drive it on a highway, on all ups and downs and turns, drive it many times, take your time, and don't let the salesman blind you. Then go test drive other small sedans. It is not worth it if
    you are stuck with a miserable drive for years for the sake of a grand or so of higher "resale value".
    1dw:
    The answer is "NO".
  • rxguyrxguy Posts: 13
    I am looking at purchasing a 2001 Corolla, but I have a couple questions. As we are expecting next month we are concerned with whether the car seat will fit well in the back seat and whether the stroller (it is pretty big) will fit in the trunk. Have any of you had experience with these in the Corolla?

    Thanks!!
  • fenly1fenly1 Posts: 2
    This is for all the Motor Buffs that expect a luxury car when they open the car door of a car under 15k. Come on you guys lighten up a bit...You can't have your darn couch as a front seat and a dispenser button for your beer and beer nuts.Sure The Corolla LE is not perfect but is a darn COMPACT car..stop complaining about only 2 seats, why don't you complain about a Vet having only two seats! It is to get you from point A to point B,not to give you a luxury ride from The East Coast to the West coast cruising at 80 mph. Sure you can't tailgate party in it with your bare chested buddies with C O L T S painted on their chest..then take a WINDSTAR, or a VOYAGER...One thing for sure, when you break down in that breakdown lane with the hood up..I'll putt putt by you at 50 mph and give you a toot toot with the horn..Come on fella's all cars ache and squirm and groan, & sway!It's an under $15,000 car.
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    "Edmunds report say nothing about reliability. You
    need many years until all the problems with Corolla
    2001 are accumulated and pooled and the true level
    of reliability can then be concluded."

    While that is true, Corolla has never in it's entire 30+ years of existence known to be a problematic car. The changes for 2001 Corolla is mostly cosmetic. There is no evidence of any major problems.

    Please, I believe you when you say YOUR Corolla has a problem. But please do not insist that the same problem exist for most of the Corollas. You might had the bad luck of running into a lemon, it doesn't mean most of them are.

    "In the rest of the [edmund's] report, a major problem such as that of the suspension is written in a way to
    sound as if it is a minor problem or fun to have. "

    If the Edmunds report said there is no major problem, only that it doesn't have sporty handling, then it's further proof that the problem lies within your car rather than most of the corollas.

    Corolla has had a reputation for solid construction and problem free operation. Please do not generalize it to be a junk car.
  • crieckecriecke Posts: 37
    I live in Charleston, SC and we are flat.

    We do have to very high roll a coaster bridge
    going from the city 3 miles to the coast but I
    have not noticed any problem.

    The only problem I had at first was with the
    light touch of the gas pedal,took a little
    while not to push it down to far. Have mastered
    that however. Charlie
  • dchinndchinn Posts: 64
    Yes, it will fit your stroller & carseat. I have 2 yooung ones in the backseat. Buy the car w/ folding rear seat option. U may need it in a bind.
  • liufeiliufei Posts: 201
    Regarding tires, has anyone in here replaced the stock tires in their Corolla? Any particular brand/size you would recommend to help improve the handling without sacrificing ride quality ?

    Thanks in advance.
  • crieckecriecke Posts: 37
    for another slant on the 2000 Corolla go to:

    newcartestdrive.com

    Among other things he talks about the HP increase
    from 120 to 125.

    Wonder what the true HP is after all. Charlie
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    Toyota is launching the next generation Corolla in Japan already. I wonder when are we going to get it. It sounds like it's a larger, taller car, that should solve on the the biggest short coming of the current corolla -- rear sear leg room.

    http://www.usautonews.com/news/news_story.asp?&id=x&sid=111362&align=

    "First sold in 1966 and now in its ninth generation, the world`s best-selling car has gone upmarket with European styling, a rounder figure and roomier interior -- the wheelbase is 13.5 cm (5.3 inches) longer and the cabin height is 8.5 cm (3.4 inches) taller."

    I can't wait.
  • Hi. I'm looking to purchase a 2001 Corolla LE. I've just graduated from college and have fallen in love with the corolla. I'm looking for something dependable and ...well...cheap in gas and insurance. I got a quote from one of the dealers. I was wondering if the quote is reasonable. I've done some research, but still am somewhat uneasy. I'm looking at the following options:
    -automatic
    -am/fm/cd
    -vip rs3000
    -extra value package #2
    -abs
    -rear spoiler
    -weather guard package
    -front and rear mudguards
    -cruise.

    i know i'm going a little over in the luxuries, but i've got a good reason: i've graduated and got a good job. anyway...i live in chicago and the salesguy quoted 16,800 + ttl. Is it good or should I talk a little more?

    I think it's great that there's a site that can help girls like me learn a little more about this car buying stuff.

    Thanks,
    gosia
  • liufeiliufei Posts: 201
    Wenyue:
    Hmmmm, that new corolla looks like Ford Focus!!! More refined and classy styling, but still look a lot like Focus. I'm kinda divided regarding that particular styling, it's good and attractive...but boxy and fat as well. On the other hand, there's indication that the styling for europe and north america would be different, so I guess we just have to wait and see. When does the Corolla going to get redesign anyway? 2003/2004?
    On the other hand, the articles also mentioned the particular wagon version of that corolla will have a 1.8L/190HP engine, modified from the Celica (must be the GTS) with more low end torque!! haha!! looks like the corolla will have the celica engine afterall!! Handling also supposedly improved greatly as well. If this true..... AWESOME!!! It can really races against other compact, even the infamous Civic Si!! :)
    Or...put the engine in the IS 300....and everything else is history. ^__^
    (p.s: the 2001 base civic will only have 105hp??? Is that true?? what were Honda thinking?)

    sweetgirl1:
    Do check www.carsdirect.com . In there you can configure a car to your liking and get a price quote which you can buy the car at that instant if you want to. I ran your Corolla LE configuration and got a price of $16,171 + TTL, but thats still about $900 above invoice. I'm sure with some haggling, you can save a few hundreds down. Target price probably around $15.6K (invoice + 3%) or lower.
    So definitely try to get the price cheaper.
    The problem is that since the 2001 Corolla has a distinctively new look (but same engine under the hood), dealer might be hard to bargain with. I'm sure there's more than 1 dealer in Chicago, which is to your advantage since you can price shop and pit the dealers against each other to get the best price. But keep in mind a good/reliable dealer with excellent service department might worth much more than a dealer who offered slightly lower price but has lousy attitude/service dept.
    Another thing, watch for the extended warranty that some dealer offered. It cost a bundles, and usually a no-no for a Toyota.

    Good luck with your purchase ^__^
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    Yes, I noticed that. But I think the front of the new Corolla look little better than the Focus. In my opinion, the Focus's front ends too abruptly, the gill especially. The back end of the Corolla reminds me little of Avalon's rear end.

    Toyota Corolla is scheduled for redesign as 2003 model year in the U.S. So we probably won't see it until fall of 2002. But seems like Toyota couldn't wait around in Japan and Europe, so they put the out the redesigned Corolla out already as a 2001.

    But we get a glimps of what to expect in 2003. A longer, taller, roomier Corolla, with 135 hp engine standard (up 10 hp). I don't know if the wagon is ever going to make it into the U.S (americans don't seem to be too fond of wagons, while Europeans go crazy over them).

    Yes, I too am suprised that they are actually going to have a production model Corolla with a upgraded Celica engine. 190 hp! Wow. But it's going to be on the wagon. Shucks. Again, we don't know if a wagon version will ever make into the U.S.

    As for the new 2001 Honda Civic. 105 hp engine is for the Japanese Civic. The definitive spec for the U.S civic will have a 1.6L 115 hp engine instead of the Japanese 1.5L engine (DX and LX), while the EX keeps the 127 hp engine. Ok, so the DX and LX gains 9 hp, that's still under powered. And the EX engine made no gain at ALL. I don't know what Honda is thinking, with all the competition such as Toyota and Nissan all have 125+ hp engine on even the baseline cars. The new civic is going to be one of the most underpowered car in the segment. I think Honda spent so much money making the car bigger that they ran out of money on updating engine. They even have to remove the double wishbone suspension (front) from the civic to cut cost, so it's sporty handling will definitly take a hit. Honda is on a tight budget, it's profit has been hit hard last year and this year, and maybe even next year. Main culprit is the strong yen. So it have to cut cost somewhere. It interesting that under the same condition, Toyota's profit has increased significantly.

    Here is an article if you are interested.

    http://www.just-auto.com/features_detail.asp?art=259
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    There are lots of Toyota models in Japan that will never see the light of day in the US. The car in those pictures may or may not be the next generation Corolla. There might or might not be a Celica engine put into it. It is far too early to tell what we will have in 2003. It is interesting to speculate but don't put too much stock in a picture from a web site run by a toy company.
  • liufeiliufei Posts: 201
    Cliffy, you just have to ruined the fun don't you?
    (j/k ^_^)
    For one thing, I'm glad that Toyota understand the main pitfall of the Corolla (lack of rear passenger space, like wenyue pointed out). The engine is quite spunky as it is, but additional hp is always welcome, now that every other compact seemed to boosted theirs near the 140-150hp level.
    My guess, the 190hp will be put into the Corolla-S, but if Toyota do that, won't that cutting badly into Celica's turf ?

    wenyue:
    disgressing a bit, do you know how the civic will be priced ? Its already the most expensive car in the compact market, and although the new styling isn't bad (a bit bland, seemed like the end of mirage + the front of a mini-accord), I really couldn't see what it has over other competitor such as sentra,protege,etc, especially with weak base engine and possibility of reduced handling
    Regarding Honda, it's sad but I fear that it days as an independent company are probably numbered. One of the giant probably will swallow it, if Honda cant keep maintaining their profit level and market share. That's a real shame though.
  • michalwmichalw Posts: 4
    is I would say pretty quiet (not to say that it actually is very quiet). I can barely hear the engine at speed between 50-80 in the 5th gear. And the turns...well....if I push it really hard it will slip, but I really have to push it in a very tight turn. Back in the summer of 1999 I was thinking about buying VW Golf (I still like and want one), but after I test drove a 99 Corolla CE on the highway (the salesman wasn't with me in the car) I fell in love with this thing. Finally I bought 99 LE with 5 speed manual transmission and love it. 14000 miles so far and not a single problem. Would I exchange it for an Elantra? _Never_!!! My friend bought one a couple months after I got my Corolla. He let me drive a couple of times. It's not quite the same. It is alot louder at cruising speeds (as loud at 60 as Corolla at 75-80) and his transmission (manual 5 speed!) broke after first 2000 miles. Is that what you call reliability? Not really. I do not expect to have any problems with my car for the first 100000 miles, and probably won't have that many if any after that.
    Corolla is a very good and dependable compact car. That's my opinion after a year of owning and driving one.
    Mike
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    Cliffy1:

    Yes, I realized that. I'm just supprised that they just started selling the totally redesigned Corolla in Europe and Japan while leaving the U.S corolla largely unchanged. Both the European and Japanese Corolla were last redesigned in 1998 (same as the U.S ones). So the current Corolla model only lasted 3 production year over there, while ours will have to soldier on for a total of 5 production year. What's more, the production cost of those new Corolla is actually $580+ CHEAPER than the current Corolla. Wouldn't it make more sense if they just replace the whole current line of the Corollas with the new ones instead of leaving us Americans hanging like this? Recently, there is a sudden surge of a large number of highly capable compact cars on the U.S market. It's no longer the Civic/Corolla rule the compact market any more. First was the Mazda Protege, then the Ford Focus, and then Nissan Sentra, all of them are quite good success stories. Toyota needs to keep on its toes, and the new Corolla they are selling in Europe and Japan will go a long way in bolstering the Corolla's sales figure. Image a Corolla with even more power, roomy like a Protege, and with a price that's even lower than the old ones. That's a winning hand. I really think Toyota should bring that Corolla over here, or at least next year. fanciful thinking I guess. Maybe I should spend my vacation in Europe and bring a new Corolla back. ;)

    Liufei:

    Honda is aiming to keep the Civic's price increase to a minimum. It's already the most expensive car in the segment, more increase would be a bad idea. The price increase is a very modest $16.

    The styling of the new Civic is very conservative. Not much change at all. Yes I agree totally that the front is an Accord, and the back is the Mitsu Mirage. I think the most comparable compact on the market is the Mazda Protege (probably what Honda used as reference). It adopted the Mazda's opt-space (cab-forward design) to increase the interior room, then offer just enough hp to beat the Protege (115 vs 105, and 127 vs 122). But with the engine power standard already at 125 hp (corolla and Sentra baseline power) and still moving up, it's already a little behind, and when competitiors do their redesign 2 years down the road, it would be hoplessly underpowered.

    Honda is a good company. Quite good at engineering. While not having the resource of Toyota to design a full spectrum of good vehicles to meet the market, they do do a good job with the ones they built. And managed to catch up and share the reliability crown with Toyota. They have my full respect as a company that has a solid engineering department and build good cars. But unlike Toyota corp that almost never makes business mistakes, Honda quite a few time let their passion lead to bad finacial decisions (building the costly Acura NSX for example, huge development cost to build a $90,000 immitation Ferrai, who would buy it? That bad move must have hurt!) Honda was in trouble just not too long ago, early 90s, when their net profit was almost 0 (I wonder how much the Acura NSX contributed to that). As many analysts have pointed out, the current heavy reliance on American market (80% of Honda's operation income comes from U.S) is a fatal vulnerability. If economy falls, market shift, Honda would be in a world of hurt. Even now, the 12% and 14% profit drop due to strong yen is exposing just how vulnerable Honda is with it's current set up. Also, Honda's European operation is in the red (I think Honda's never turned a profit in the entire European market). And it's presense in Japan is very small, unlike Toyota (who control the Japanese market), if oversea fails, they have no home to come back to.

    Sorry, don't mean to go into too much business. Just some reading when I was researching stock. Anyway, I think it's inevitable that Honda will eventually be bought out. As it is, it's just have too many vulnerable spots, and not big enought to avoid being on somebody's dinner table. It's a good company for sure, good design and good quality, I will miss it. My family owned two Hondas in the past, and they were good cars.

    I think if Honda's profit drop low enough, and it comes on the market, Toyota should buy it off right away. First of all, Toyota is the wealthiest of all of the automakers, so can make winning bid. Second, you don't want a competitor like to swallow up Honda and give them a boost in reliability which would errode Toyota's edge.
  • sancycsancyc Posts: 1
    I am looking for a new car. My first. I am new at this but did my research which resulted in a 2000 Corolla. I spoke with at least 7 dealers who told me there were none to be found. I was also told that the options I requested (ABS & Side Airbags) really weren't available even though they are listed as options. One of the dealers had seen one with side airbags in his x years as a salesman. None had seen a Corolla with ABS. I was told that since the Corolla is light, it doesn't really need ABS which is really needed for heavier cars. I was told that since the cage was so safe, the airbags weren't really necessary. In fact, they just plain don't make them. I was also told that they come with air conditioning and automatic transmissions whether you want them or not. (I wanted neither.) They made it sound as if getting the options I wanted would be very difficult. They were all happy to sell me a 2001. I was surprised you did not mention things that changed from 2000 to 2001 that were not improvements. Like: in order to get a clock, you need to buy a $986 air conditioner! Is this insane? Daylight running lights are gone. 60/40 seats are no longer available in anything but the LE model. Dual power mirrors were no longer available. Cruise control is not available on the CE model. And the rear defroster, which should be standard, is an option? The radio is also an extra. ABS brakes are also no longer an option on the CE, but then, they never were. I am very disappointed in Toyota's arrogance. Yes they have a great reliable car, but they certainly aren't doing much else to get customers! I really liked the Focus and may go that route, but am concerned about reliability. Do you have any recommendations?
  • crieckecriecke Posts: 37
    I am glad I got a CE when the CE was a CE.

    I just got the 2001 sales lit. and compared it to
    the 2000 lit. My 2000 CE is the winner.

    Anybody considering a 2001 CE should really
    look for a 2000 CE unless they just want a 2001.

    Charlie
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    "Corolla reputation that is ingrained in the minds
    of most people refers to the models before 2001 andperhaps before 97"

    The Corollas of the past were no better than now. It's just that in the "good old days" other brand cars were worse in comaprison. Now, many others have caught up to make it not as special as it used to seem. Basically, the Corolla is a 1993 design in the year 2000-01.

    Regarding the buyer not finding a car he wants. dealers will say anything to sell a car such as, "It don't need ABS or side air bags" and "you can't get a 5 speed".
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