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I believe I have never seen a Corolla VE with ABS or sideairbags. ABS is even rare on a CE (but there should be 1 or 2, but since they stopped making 2000 several months ago, I don't think your chance of finding one is good). ABS and sideairbags is mostly found on the LE's, and then tend to come together (not one without the other), and tend to come on a LE that's loaded with sunroof and alloy wheels.
So if you are looking for ABS and sideairbag, you probably should look into buying an LE. But again, 2000 corollas are just about all gone now, and you will probably have to settle for a 2001 LE instead. Good luck.
I had seen a few 2000 Corolla with manual transmission(can't remember CE or LE), but I havent seen the 2001 yet. Same thing can be said with the ABS.
Cliffy probably can explain much better on what available and what's on each trim level.
Toyota dealership's ratings has been near the bottom of the list for sometimes. I guess thats what happen when they know that they will always have buyers for their cars.
Jusr my $.02 .
Mike
ABS is strictly a factory order proposition right now in this region. I don't agree with Toyota's decision on this but I do understand it. They believe there are two reasons to not ship the cars with ABS. The first is that this car is in a very price sensitive segment and anything that contributes to raising the price is going to adversely affect sales.
The other reason has to do with how much people will really benefit from ABS. Cars with ABS have not been shown to have fewer nor less severe collisions. Most people don't use them correctly. When the ABS engages, you feel the brake pedal vibrating and hear a groaning and clicking sound from under the hood. When this happens, people tend to ease off the brake and thereby defeat the who purpose for ABS. Toyota figures that if people are not going to benefit from it, why charge them for and and make it less price competitive.
If you must have ABS, they can be ordered. Most dealers hate factory orders because they are not easy for us. We can do it and if you are patient, the dealers can build your dream car.
You two will love these pictures on the totally redesigned 2001 Corolla in Japan. This is from the offical Toyota's website in Japan. GOD THEY LOOK AWESOME!!!!!!!
First the exterior photos: click on the number on the right of the pictures to get a bigger and better one.
http://www.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/CorollaSedan/index.html
now, hold your breath, and look at the totally amazing interior shots:
http://www.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/CorollaSedan/index.html
HOLY SMOKE! A colored multi-functional screen display! My god! I want one of those! And look at the interior quality. I could swear it's like a Lexus. (0k, maybe a lexus is little too much, but a camry solara at least!) The instrements are kind of Lexus IS300-like. What do you all think. Also, notice there are significantly more rear seat legroom and the seats are higher off the floor giving a taller driving position.
This is more than enough to wet my appetite. I demand that they bring it here to the U.S! We are just as good as those Japanese and Europeans are we not? And we have higher living standards, we should be the first to get our hands on that redesigned corolla.
Here are some of the images from the site that wenyue mentioned. Toyota need to make an english version of Japanese website!!
Exterior pics:
http://www1.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/CorollaSedan/exterior/images/ex01_vga.jpg
http://www1.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/CorollaSedan/exterior/images/ex02_svg.jpg
http://www1.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/CorollaSedan/exterior/images/ex03_svg.jpg
http://www1.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/CorollaSedan/exterior/images/ex04_vga.jpg
Interior pics: http://www1.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/CorollaSedan/interior/images/int01_vga.jpg
http://www1.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/CorollaSedan/interior/images/int02_vga.jpg
I noticed the price for a Corolla with the cool looking Navi system is only around Y1.8M, translates to arround $15.5K. WHY WONT Toyota bring it here?? I definitely would buy one with all the goodies it comes with!!!
Hey cliffy, how many petition do you think needed for Toyota to bring a particular model to the US???
I definitly want one of those new corolla! This is just too unfair to leave us hanging like this. TOYOTA ARE YOU READING THIS! If you bring it here, it will be HUGE success.
The over all shape of the car reminds me of Prius.
Anyay, the trunk according to web page is 437L (or 15.4 cubic feet). That's huge. Can that be right? Somebody varify my conversion. 437L = 437,000 cubic cm = 75.9 cm side length = 29.9 inches side lenght = 2.49 ft sidelength = 15.4 cubic feet. Somebody double check me.
The engine is 1.3L (88 hp), 1.5L (110 hp), and 1.8L (an update of the current 1.8L, giving 10 more hp to 135 hp). Also, the wagon version gets an updated celica GT-S engine that makes 190 hp!
Also there are some nice safety features. First there is VSC (vehicle stablity control), and a tire pressure monitor, along with WIL seat (whiplash injury lessening).
Also there is a nice feature.
http://www1.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/CorollaSedan/welcab/index.html
Notice how the passenger seat turns to face outside. NICE!
Our Camry is also unique to this market [wider and longer]; the Japanese Camry and Windom are just as different as the various Corolla versions.
Honda makes three different versions of the Accord - the NA version is also wider and longer than the Japan/EU versions, has different suspension settings, unique engines, etc. The basic platform is the same, but very little else but the name.
anyway, the Toyota Windom in Japan is more like the Lexus ES300 here.
http://www1.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/Windom/index.html
Toyota Camry in Japan is actually more or less the same car here.
http://www1.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/Camry/gimage/top.html
It has just about the same layout. Besides the obvious switch of driving position from left side to the right side, and the availability of the Nav system, almost all the things are the same. Including the 2.2L 4 cylinder engine.
http://www1.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/Camry/gimage/inte/cock_1.html
When the Japanese 1998 Corolla and the US version was very similiar.
So I hope Toyota will bring the new Corolla over intact.
Oh dchinn, was swivering seat ever available before in the U.S? I wasn't aware of any cars that had that feature.
It's always a bit frustrating to see how some makes of cars are similar in name only. The Accord, Civic and many Toyota makes all have quite different autos using the same name. Sometimes we get models that make the Europeans envious; a lot of times though it seems like it's the other way around. At least Ford is having success with the Focus as a car that is basically the same world-wide. Maybe Toyota will do the same eventually but I won't be holding my breath...I personally think the current Corolla is a bit of a yawner style-wise, but this model just looks classy, sort of like a Mazda Millenia.
My big fear is that the next Corolla for N.A. will be an enlarged version of the Echo! Ech! :-)
They are remarkably solid cars. I don't want to disparage the US or Canadian built Corollas but the wagons were built in Japan and seem just a bit more solid. If you can find on with good miles and no paint work, go for it.
http://carpoint.msn.com/Vip/UsedRelOver/Toyota/Corolla/used.asp
Good luck with getting your wagon.
Oh well, figure i Post it here as well, does anyone Corolla making some kind of squeezing noise from the front when making turn/running over bumps?? I figures I get more information before running over to the dealer again.
I occationally heard a little "creek" when running over speed bumps. Kind of like the noise mattres spring makes when my wife and I ... never mind. It's not very loud but you can hear it. That's the only time that noise happen, I just attributed it to the shock/spring flexing and didn't give it another thought. Is that what you are talking about?
The other noise happen when making a turn, much noticeable on reverse turn and sometimes carry it over when driving.
The front suspension is my initial suspect, may also be steering wheel since i can feel some sort of vibration (barely noticeable though).
On a different note, we need that new Corolla to fight back the Sentra,Protege and Focus!!!! ARGH!!!
On a different note, the dealer tried to charge $90 for the work, citing thats its an "adjustment" instead of an actual parts failure, thus not covered in the bumper-to-bumper/36k warranty (the corrolla has 14k in it). Is this how Toyota's warranty works, or the dealer just trying to make some quick cash on me?
Thanks.
The new engine [which is a real jewel, by the way] uses a chain. Eventually, the chain tensioner will have to be checked, but at mileage that will be way out there - well over 100k miles.
The dealer where I took my Toyota for service isn't the one I bought it from (moving from another city), so thats maybe a reason, albeit a poor one. I think your best chance is with the dealer you bought it from, since they definitely want to retain your business in the future. According to jrct9454, Toyota has no actual obligation to fix it under warranty, so I guess it depend on your relation to the dealer and how good/courteous each dealer is.
juniek1:
Timing chain, with service interval of 90,000 miles.
Where did you find the information that the timing chain should last way over 100K miles? I was told that timing belt should be changed at around 60K miles, and timing chain at around 90K miles.
What is a good price for a Corrolla 5 speed >? with air
I ruled out the new Civic, b/c/ it had almost no increase in horsepower, and no decrease in price. I ruled out the new Sentra b/c/ it did not fair well in JD Power's initial quality or rather the whole Nissan line up did poorly. I don't think I want a Protege b/c their underpowered, DX, LX.
What cars are left that are good anymore >? I may start taking the bus so I don't have to worry about a dumb car anymore : )
I may just buy another Saturn, at least their I am treated like a human being, compared to my experiences with toyota dealers in the past (former Toyota Celica owner) . I want a good car for under 14k, don't think thats too much to hope for
Saturn has generally good dealer attitudes, although their rank has fallen, but you pay MSRP for a car that (IMO) doesn't worth the MSRP price on it.
You still haven't said what kind of quality expectation you expect from the Corolla nor the problems you feared. But if you want the best value for your $$$, nothing can beat the korean car right now (Hyundai,Daewoo,KIA).
The kind of quality I expect from a Corolla is what anyone would expect from a Toyota imo, I don't want to put any money into it except normal maintenance for at least 6 or 7 years. After that, some additional maintenance such as a new oil seal, would be understandabe.
I like the new 2001 Elantra, looks very classy, but can't get past how most people still veiw Korean cars. I would rather have a base Civic or Corolla then a loaded Korean car. I read on this forum that some people have had suspension problems with thier corolla's, etc. If I buy one, I simply want a good one
Since you getting a manual, the 3-spd auto on the CE won't affect you in anyway.
A comparable Saturn SL2 will cost $13.3K, but thats without the owner loyalty rebate.
Personally, I would suggest getting a 2001 LE, with manual transmission + Extra Value Package 1 (AC + power window+power lock). It invoiced at $13.2K, but you should be able to fetch greater resale value than the CE.
If you do want to go with korean car, go with Hyundai or Daewoo. Avoid KIA, their cars are still generally inferior compared to the other 2.