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Toyota Corolla

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    the FX-16/GT-S coupe model is already available - it is called the "c-e-l-i-c-a". They were selling tons of celicas when they first came out in 2000, now it is a trickle. I am perfectly serious, this is not a facetious comment - the original GT-S coupes got burned for competing too directly with the celica, and they got nixed because celica had higher sales.

    Oh, and by the way, I DO recognize that celica is overpriced in this market, and in its position relative to the "performance" available from regular corollas. They should either option it up for base models or lower the price across the board by 10-15%.

    I still like this corolla XLE idea though - a fully loaded model, only option is NAV, and it has to have a little more power than the other corollas. Then it could pull a premium price, like as much as bare-bones camry.

    They should make the 'S' into an 'SE' anyway - more than just an appearance package, it should have fatter anti-roll bars and bigger tires, also tighter suspension.

    BTW instruments in the center of the dash make things easier for the manufacturer in exporting to countries where the steering wheel is on the other side, because the instruments do not have to be moved.

    And I would lay dollars to donuts Scion will ultimately fail, although I think the cars are kind of unique and funky, and I wish they would stick around. If they were serious about differentiating Scion from the rest of the Toyotas, they would have invested in separate dealerships.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • dave594dave594 Posts: 218
    I don't care much for the Echo either, but some people do. But I think the main reason Toyota keeps the Echo in its lineup has more to do with meeting the federal government's CAFE standards than anything else. They need to make the Echo with its high gas mileage to offset those thirsty Sequoias and Land Cruisers and Camry V-6s they make more money on in order to meet their CAFE goals. Every major car manufacturer makes one economical car to offset their big money maker SUV or luxury car in order to meet their CAFE goal.
  • canccanc Posts: 715
    I guess I'm one of the few that actually likes the ECHO's centre console. The Corolla should learn a few things from the ECHO in terms of roominess and practicality.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    You make an excellent point regarding CAFE! Still, I dont feel that Toyota should sacrifice its brand image of quality for the sake of its (too many) SUVs.
    Car and Driver June 2000 on the ECHO
    Verdict: "Something new from Toyota- a big mistake."

    Nippononly- I agree with nearly everything you say, except that "the FX-16/GT-S coupe model is already available" I'll concede that a GTS Corolla would be redundant, but the FX would not be a competitor for the Celica, and it wasnt in the eighties either. I would like it as hatchback in the genre of the Focus ZX3/Civic Si, not a FASTBACK like the Celica, Tiburon, Eclipse, etc.

    canc- explain just a little big how the ECHO is more practical (or roomy??) than the Corolla?

    ~alpha
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    And without alot of upgrade packages, the Base ECHO with necessities such as A/C, PS, Cruise, the ECHO is alot less expensive than the Corolla.
        However, for real comfort one needs to get the Sienna.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Hansienna, finding an ECHO w/o upgrade packages is alot easier said than done.
    But here is a comparison of a moderately equipped ECHO to a Corolla with the same features:

    Toyota ECHO 4door Sedan + Upgrade pkg 2, ABS, Auto, All Weather Guard, Floormats, 15 inch. wheels : $15,032.

    Toyota Corolla CE Sedan + Auto, ABS, All Weather Guard, Floormats: $15,412.

    Add in the Corolla's newer design, better crash test ratings, better mix of power and economy, better materials, and similar interior room- why does Toyota have the ECHO, especially if the median age of this so-called "youth" car is indeed in the mid 40s (as has been rumored)?

    ~alpha
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    the local dealers have a lot of echoes with nothing but the A/C and power steering. This little combo goes for about $11,7 stick and $12,5 auto, and they all advertise it for $1000 off MSRP, so even before you haggle you could get an echo for $10,700 if you like manual...I would buy it this way if I were getting one...a CD is easy to add aftermarket, and they put pretty good speakers in these cars at the factory.

    Obviously if you get the appearance packages plus the CD, cruise, power accoutrements, etc the price balloons out of control, and considering the price of a corolla CE, which has many of these things standard, I don't know why anyone would buy a loaded echo...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    OK, I will concede you that point - they have no hatchback right now, in the proper sense of the term...everyone got scared off of hatchbacks in the early 90s, word was no-one liked them any more or something.

    Now that Civic SI has come back as a hatchback, it has been the most ripping sales failure of any Honda model in a long time.

    So it might be a long time before Toyota brings back a hatchback...although the Scion xA is going to be kind of like that, with the echo powertrain, right? Maybe they could bring out a more powerful version if it makes it in sales.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • tw8tw8 Posts: 4
    Hansienna,
    your point is well taken, and I agree - Toyota doesn't control driving conditions. That said, I feel that this is excessive wear (i.e. poor paint) for routine use on routine roads.
  • terceltom1terceltom1 Posts: 150
    Actually, there's a service bulletin out for premature chipping paint on the 2003 Corolla.
  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    I don't think they necessarily need an XLE or SE model, but they do need to tweak their option list a bit. I know ABS is an option, but it's rarely actually on vehicles sitting on dealers' lots. This should change, especially as it only costs $300. As I said before, LEs and apparently S are already available with leather, sunroof, ABS, so really we only need the NAV and the upgraded Matrix engine available. No need for the bother of yet another trim level.

    A hatchback and a coupe would be wonderful. I don't think either necessarily has to be super sporty, I just think they need something to compete head-to-head with the Civic coupe (which seems enormously popular, particularly with young women, here in Chicago). Of course, the option of an upgraded sport model (a la Civic Si) and a fully loaded model (like the EX) would be wise. The hatchback should be a basic, stripped down price leader, with a full array of options (power stuff, engine upgrades) available.
  • thedilbythedilby Posts: 3
    Hi - have had, and am still having, big problems with my 03 LE front and rear windshields. I have noticed that some people have indicated they have also noticed irregularities and protrusions of the front windshield seal and/or the fire wall foam on the front windshield. I have a 14 inch front windshield crack which emanates EXACTLY from where this protrusion is noticeable.

    Please see MSG 380 in Corolla/Matrix problems/solutions area. Thanks for all your help - hopefully you won't have to have both your front and rear windshields replaced like I've had to!!
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,456
    A hatchback would be nice, and so would a station wagon (a wagon would have more room than a Matrix and get better mileage as well as having more pep). I agree with option availability. For me no ABS means no sale, and the Corolla rarely has ABS especially with a manual tranny. What about the leather - have never seen one. Do they exist?
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    However, the ECHO does not have the quality finish of seats or doors of the Corolla. The ECHO seats are higher off the road than the Corolla which makes the ECHO more comfortable for people like myself who have owned pickups, 4-Runner, Chevy Van, and VW Bus.
        Although our Corolla wagon is nice and reliable, it is not as comfortable for long road trips as was the 1999 Tracker and now the 2001 Blazer or 1993 Ford F-150 Extended Cab LWB pickup.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The Matrix engine is the same as the Corollas in base form, and the Matrix XRS engine would be a very bad choice for a Corolla- no low end torque, very small useful powerband way up top. In fact, the VVTL-i engine in the Matrix is rumored to be soon replaced by a supercharged version of the base engine. I read this in Motor Trend last summer- I dont know how true this is. Also, why do you deem a fully loaded model appropriate for a possible coupe verion of the Corolla, but not a sedan?
    ~alpha
  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    I have heard bad things about the Matrix XRS (isn't this also in the Celica) engine. Not that it's a bad engine, but the Matrix isn't the best application. A lower reving, higher torque at low-end engine might be better.

    Regarding the sedan vs. coupe, I just basically said Toyota doesn't need another sedan trim level, but they should offer an upgraded engine and wider availability of things like ABS, sunroof and leather on the LE and S models. Since they already have three trim levels (base CE, 'luxury' LE and 'sporty' S), I think offering another one just to have a bigger engine is a bit wasteful and redundant. As for the coupe, Toyota is losing a lot of sales to Honda because they don't have anything remotely competitive to the Civic coupe. A two-door basic hatch would be nice, too, but I'm not holding my breath, especially since an Echo hatch is supposedly coming out (though I don't know if it will be offered in the U.S.).
  • tw8tw8 Posts: 4
    Where can I find out about the technical service bulletin that you mentioned?
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    on some foreign web sites there are pics of a 3 door, 5 door, and wagon corolla. Also another matrix like corolla that is a bit different than the matrix.

    The wagon corolla I think would be a nice addition. Not as freaky as the matrix, but appears to have the same amount of useful space.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    The Matrix like Corolla that is different from the Matrix is the Toyota Voltz. It is literally a Pontiac Vibe built in California, rebadged Toyota Voltz, and sent to Japan to be sold!
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,456
    I would also love a Corolla wagon, and actually it has much more space than the Matrix - it is over a foot longer. It is also lighter so the engine seems peppier.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    http://www.km77.com/marcas/toyota/corolla_02/0primera/galeria.asp

    for me, gimme the wagon with a stick, and I'll put on the TRD supercharger. Now i've got a 175hp supercharged Corolla wagon that is a Jetta killer.
  • superman5superman5 Posts: 154
    any website offering cheap genuine toyota corolla parts? such as air filter, oil filter. etc?
  • rxsorentrxsorent Posts: 10
    I am like tw8 - where can you find the service bulletin for the chipping paint 2003 Corolla. I couldn't find it on NHTSA site.
  • tominsdtominsd Posts: 18
    I just rented a Corolla LE for the weekend and drove about 200 miles. I really liked the car in most respects. The car has a great engine and is quite peppy. It rides incredibly well and is very quiet. Fairly well laid out controls and a decent amount of space.

    My number one complaint - the driver's seat. The seat bottom cushion is too short, with woefully inadequate thigh support. When you raise the seat height, you lose what little thigh support there was before. Bad seats - I am surprised that others have not found this to be a problem. Maybe you get used to it.

    I also would like for the side mirrors to fold.

    If Toyota would fix these things, they would probably have found a buyer here. And no, it does not handle as well as a Protege, but it is good enough for most of the driving I do.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    I have read comments in magazine articles that have the same complaints about the seats.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    really love it if they would take the TRD supercharger they have developed for this engine and offer it straight from the factory with the full warranty - this would blow the peaky GT-S motor right out of the water. I would be so thrilled I might trade mine in on a new one! The base engine is fine for corolla, I think, but for Matrix it lags a little. (200+ pounds heavier)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • fgf001fgf001 Posts: 98
    It's obvious that you haven't frequented 2003 Corolla forums much......the number one complaint is the seat and driving position. I agree that it's the pits but can be remedied by a wedge shaped seat cushion.
  • doublesixdoublesix Posts: 29
    What is the break-in speed for 2003 Corolla? For how many miles?

    If I get a new Corolla, I would have to initially drive it for a long distance on highway. Would this be a big concern? Thanks for your information.
  • The owners manual says:
    for first 1000 miles: do not drive over 55mph; run engine betw. 2000 and 4000 revs. ; avoid full throttle starts; avoid hard stops first 200 miles; do not drive slowly in high gear (manual trans.); do not drive "for a long time in a single speed, either fast or slow"; do not tow trailer first 500 miles.
  • ptwob211ptwob211 Posts: 1
    Anyone know when the '04 Corolla is slated to start production? Any news on what it will include/improve upon?
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