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  • timcartimcar Posts: 363
    As kv007 points out, the cost difference between a similarly equiped 2.8 and 2.7T is much less than $7K. I believe the ONLY way to tell if the 2.7T is worth the difference, is to test drive both a couple of times. I found the performance of a '98 2.8 to be unacceptable to ME. I fell in love with the 2.7T the first time I drove it. I'm very happy with my choice of engines. However, many others are perfectly happy with 2.8. I made the mistake once of letting reviewers select a car for me, the Lexus ES300. I think reading and other research are essential to point you in the right direction, but after that, your gut and heart need to play an important role in your choice, or you'll never be happy with your car.
  • nszabonszabo Posts: 19
    I have a 2001 A6 2.8,came with michelin Mxv4 plus
  • tubeytubey Posts: 39
    I purchased a 7/100k from Heritage (a GE company) for $1,550. We plan to keep the car into retirement and are already having a hard time putting even 12k on her a year. In essence, at our rate of miles, we will be buying four years of additional coverage.

    The warranty includes a "refundable if unused" feature; includes a premium for 4WD; and also includes a $75 premium for 0 deductible. It's an exclusionary warranty in that it very clearly states upfront what is not covered (the normal wear and tear items). My servicing dealers both say that Heritage is good and reliable. My broker through whom I bought the car also says that, based upon Audi's reputation for expensive parts, an extended warranty on one is always a good investment.
  • aholaahola Posts: 2
    if you like driving a driver's car with performance... it has alot more than just a much better engine and included quattro.
  • ajs0828ajs0828 Posts: 1
    Handsome Joe: Having just completed the decision making process you're going through, I can offer some first hand advice. First, 7K is way too large a spread. 2.5K difference with both vehicles pretty fully loaded was my decision. With that, it was a no brainer. Drive the 2.8 first, then get behind the wheel of the 2.7T and you won't want to drive anything less. You only go around once. Take the turbo and love it. BTW the '02 pics suggest a visible exhaust, which I think detracts from the beauty/character of the '01 rear end.

    ajs
    '01 2.7T Silver/Onyx, Tip
    Premium,Pref Lux,Cold weather, Bose,6CD
  • jpvwaudijpvwaudi Posts: 139
    I sell Audis and as far as the tire situation goes, its pretty much the luck of the draw. I've seen Continental, Michelins and Goodyears.......if it makes that much of a difference to you, ask your salesman to have the wheels and tires switched from another A6. I'm sure if its a decent deal he will have it done for you.
  • hiflyerhiflyer Posts: 78
    I believe the "original" question was whether the 2002 models would offer daytime running lights. Someone else later responded that they were surprise that a luxury vehicle would not offer an auto on/off lighting feature. However, this latter feature differs from DRLs.

    Personally, I could do without DLRs, but would love to have auto on/off lights whose brightness adjust to the extent of darkness outside (with a manual override). This seems more practical while still providing an element of safety. If GM can do it in its Blazers, why not Audi with the A6?
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Posts: 890
    I had this feature way back in 1990 with a Ford SHO, then again in 1994 with a Grand Cherokee Ltd. I was a little surprised that my 1998 A4 2.8 didn't have it; I thought, why would Audi leave this off on a vehicle that otherwise had so many thoughtful little touches? Then when I bought the new allroad last month, the same thought crossed my mind - this car didn't have it either. For some reason the Audi engineers don't believe this is a worthwhile feature, I guess. I suppose one possibility for this is that people might tend to become too complacent (oblivious) about the lights function, and forget to turn them on in poor weather conditions, like a snowstorm, when it's still too light out to turn them on automatically (?).
  • Did any of you see the April issue of Consumer Reports? It does NOT recommend purchasing a 2001 Audi A6. Comments?
  • kirby2010kirby2010 Posts: 136
    Well I thought the furor over the Consumer Reports article had died down. I'd been watching this site for some time before I bought my A6 2.7T and when the April issue came out I was a little nervous. After a few months of Audi ownership, though, I remain confident I made the right choice. Certainly this car has to be taken care of. As tempting as it is to merge onto the highway at break neck speed I wait until the oil temperature indicator tells me I can step on it. I've had no problems with the car - if fact I couldn't be happier. I would be disappointed if some of the minor problems I've read about were to appear. I wouldn't expect them in a car of this caliber. I don't think they would raise my level of dissatisfaction to a point where my comments would contribute to a poor vehicle rating. For some, though, the level of expectation is such that any problem is totally unsatisfactory.

    I've known people with cars in this league from competitors who couldn't wait for the lease to expire. One coworker was so dissatisfied with his Mercedes he traded it on a Volvo - and couldn't be happier.

    As for Consumer Reports - I encourage you to read the 2001 Buying Guide. Page 170 lists the Audi A6 at the top of the upscale sedans - over Lexus, Lincoln, BMW, Saab, Volvo, Infiniti, and Acura. Pages 334 through 336 lists recalls for automobiles including various models of Acura, Mercedes, Infiniti, BMW, and Toyota/Lexus.

    In my view Consumer Reports is a great guide. I've used it for years and it has definitely made me a better consumer. When I make a big investment - like with the Audi - I consider all aspects - first hand reports, test drives, dealership, written reports from a number of sources, etc. In my opinion, you'll be very happy with the Audi - performance, comfort, and reliability.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,088
    I trust this forum and I have a certain amount of "respect" for Consumer Reports. I also mostly trust and respect Car and Driver and Car and European Car and even the Service Manager at my Audi dealer -- and I genuinely trust the salesperson who has sold me several Audis and who has been at the dealership at least 100 years (well OK maybe 12 to 15).

    The passion expressed in this forum, the "generally" favorable Consumer Response words (they are there), the Car and Driver and Car and European Car write ups have done nothing but bolster my opinion (very positive) about Audis and specifically the A6.

    Besides, EVERYTHING, mechanical will break eventually -- my Audis are no exception, but they are fantastic automobiles -- especially for the price!
  • dwpcdwpc Posts: 159
    Its my understanding that CR sends questionaires only to THEIR subscribers and the returned questionaires are the basis for the CR ratings. If so, it has no basis in industry wide data and is statistical baloney designed to sell magazines. I've driven many makes over 35 years, including M/B, and I've never enjoyed ANY car as much as my A6 Biturbo. 6000 miles and absolutely no problems.
  • dwpc, Consumer Reports does send surveys to subscribers to ask if the car(s) owned has had any problems that needed repair. They also ask some other questions relative to owner satisfaction and extended warranties. I just filled out my annual survey last week.

    However, they do extensive testing (on cars they actually PURCHASE) using criteria that the "performance" magazines ignore such as how hard it is to change the radio station without looking, how high you have to lift a suitcase to push it into the trunk, whether or not you have to lift yourself to adjust your seat height (VWs are notorious for this), how easy it is to find the horn in an emergency, do the climate controls use knobs or sliding switches, etc. I like this kind of data when car shopping.

    They touch on performance but let the hot rod mags dwell on that aspect. Basically, they let you know if there is anything inherently wrong or poorly designed in the car. The other mags tell you if it can beat a Corvette in the quarter mile.

    Back to reliability; if not enough owners/subscribers respond to get sufficient data for a certain make/year, then they don't list anything about it. They are very good with the scientific statistical analysis they do get. They cannot afford to survey every single owner, and they admit this freely. They're not trying to assassinate any manufacturer with the reliability ratings. They simply report what the owners/subscribers experienced.

    Clear as mud?
  • josephf2josephf2 Posts: 3
    My 2000 2.8 has a relatively horrible ride for a car of this price. The tires are Good year 205/55R16- standard size. Does anyone have any recommendations to inquiry about when I take it to the dealer? Could there be something wrong with the suspension or setting on the shock absorbers?

    My 2000 Honda Accord sides so much better.
  • timcartimcar Posts: 363
    I think they've slipped. They used to rate cars not just for problems, but for what they called "reliability areas." These were things that would stop a car. A6's are not as free of ALL problems as many Japanese cars. But they tend to get you where you want to go and last a long time. Unfortunately, CR now seems to weigh ANY problem as seriously as a blown engine! They no longer differentiate. The A6 can tend to have some comparatively niggling problems. They had a recall for bad fuel sender sensors. This alone would make the A6 statistically unreliable by CR's methodology. Would it keep me from wanting the car? No. My '01 2.7T hasn't had this problem. But it does have the infamous distorted windshield. I guess I could rant and rave that a $45K car shouldn't have this. And it shouldn't. But it's in an area of the windshield that isn't in the driver's line of site. I don't require perfection. The car is beautiful and very enjoyable to drive.
  • ammecammec Posts: 12
    Has anyone installed the rear sunshade on their Audi? I would like to know how difficult it is to install and also if it's worth the money. Any comments appreciated. Thanks
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,088
    Is this aftermarket or "Genuine Audi?"

    If it is Genuine Audi, I would take it to my dealer -- Northland Porsche/Audi.

    My experience -- totally new suspension I bought and had shipped from Germany, chips, tires, wheels, filters, stereos, etc etc etc is that the Dealer "does it right." Not always the first time, but always right!

    So, if this is something of concern and you don't want to live with it being wrong, go to the Genuine Audi Dealer.

    No, I don't work for an Audi Dealer, even tho as I write this I seem to be shilling for them.
  • nairb2nairb2 Posts: 9
    Anyone else had problems with their A/C? I've now had 2 separate problems. Last April, they had to readjust a leaky hose, and today I had a 0-ring seal problem. Both times I had no refridgerant left and warm air blowing out. Just wondering if this is a widespread thing, or if I'm just the unlucky one. I've also had the fuel sensor problem and the tie rod recall. Seems strange to have had this much trouble on a relatively new car. Getting worried about what happens when the warranty runs out in a year!
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,088
    Get an aftermarket warranty before 50,000 miles (or if you can get the Audi 75,000 miler, do that). Or, if the car is a lease, get a 2002 A6 3.0 Quattro.

    Do not run naked (that is sans warranty) -- these cars, and I love them dearly, are breathtakingly expensive to maintain and repair out of warranty.

    Been there, done that, OUCH!

    Still, this is no different than a Bimmer or Mercedes or Saab or Volvo would be under similar circumstances.

    Good luck.
  • Y'all might want to read this review in the online version of AMI AutoWorld Weekly. http://www.autoworldweekly.com/RTarchive/2001/Audi/2001Audi%20A6.htm
  • bluejlbbluejlb Posts: 2
    We have a 2000 2.7T w/ @ 18,000 miles on it. Up until this week we have had nothing but positive things to say about the car (fun to drive, quality of finish, interior, performance, handling, on and on). It was a present for my wife and she loves it. We took it into the dealer for a second time to check on a noticeable shimmy and address a few minor trim issues (cup holder not working, etc).

    The dealer has informed us that we have three bent wheels, and alluded to bent wheels being something that is not unusual for them to see. We live on a dirt road and have normal Michigan dirt road potholes, but nothing that has ever caused problems for other vehicles we have owned. The bill is @ $1200 for new wheels and alignment. (Ugh...)

    Has any other owner experienced anything like this? We don't drive the vehicle particularly hard, and I am quite concerned about whether this is going to be a recurring problem. We asked the dealer about other wheel options (higher profile, etc) and was told this is the only wheel that fits the 2.7T. If I am buying three new wheels I figured why not switch to something that will withstand our dirt road environment.

    We have gone from very satisfied owners who love the 2.7T (and I was considering getting one as well) to very disillusioned. I called the "Audi Customer Care line", after ten minutes on hold spoke to someone who was no help whatsoever, and who added to our frustration.

    If other potential owners who drive on dirt roads are looking into an A6 look carefully at this issue, no answers seem to be available from Audi.
  • timcartimcar Posts: 363
    Jack, sorry to hear about your wheels. Also sorry to hear about your lack of satisfaction from Audi Customer Care. Unfortunately, I've heard similar things before.


    I think it IS certainly possible that a potholed dirt road COULD cause this. If you're accustomed to steel wheeled cars, there's a big difference with alloy wheels; irrespective of whether they're on an Audi or any other car. The Audi's suspension wasn't designed for these conditions either. It's a sport sedan with plenty of aluminum in the suspension and I have to think that a potholed dirt road won't do it much good either. The Audi allroad might be a better choice. And though I'm no fan of trucks and SUV's, I must acknowledge they have their place.


    But the information you were given by the dealer is wrong. There are plenty of other wheels and tires that will fit on the 2.7T. And you can get four for less than $1200. One good source is Tire Rack. This is their URL:


    http://www.tirerack.com/about/helpwant.htm


    I can't guarantee you can find any alloy wheel that will be pothole proof, but the folks at Tire Rack are pretty knowledgeable, and could probably make a suggestion if there is anything.


    Good luck!

  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    Joesephf2 Is your A6 a Fronttrak or Quattro?
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Posts: 890
    I think timcar gave you some good advice. I've used Tire Rack on many occasions and would second his recommendation to check out other wheel options. I just did a quick check and there are many less expensive choices available to fit the A6 2.7T (I wish I had as many options for my allroad). You may wish to consider going to a 16 inch wheel with your replacement set - this would give you a taller sidewall and thus more "air" between the road and the outside wheel edge which would help cushion the ride. Bent wheels are more common when very low profile tires are used on larger-diameter wheels, and when you go in the other direction you would lessen the chance of your wheels getting bent, everything else being equal (given the same diameter, some wheels will be stronger and resist road damage better than others). With the 16 inch wheels you would give up some handling capability on dry roads, but this could be offset to some extent by your choice of tires. I would listen to the folks at Tire Rack and consider their recommendations.

    P.S. I saw a couple different 16 inch wheels available for $134 apiece, or just $536 for a set of four. Sixteen inch tires are cheaper than 17 inch ones too.
  • My '98 A6 is just out of warranty and two things are going wrong. My A/C display flashes for approx. 2 minutes when the car is first turned on then stops. Everything on the A/C works fine. Also, my gas gauge does not show the correct amount of fuel. Anyone experience these problems? P.S. Naturally I'm looking into an extended warranty - any recommendations here are welcome too.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,088
    Go to http://www.vwvortex.com/ then look at the feature articles -- there is an article on Wheels (bent, etc.). FYI. Also agree, there are MANY wheels avail for this car.


    Also, THREE? bent wheels, wow -- I hit a pothole that was full of water last winter -- this hole was so deep there were already two Buicks and a small pickup truck in it. Unfortunately one of the wheels on my Audi did get bent. My insurance paid for it, minus the deductible ($250.00), the state of Kentucky paid $250.00 (the wheel, tire and four wheel alignment ran around $800!). I have hit many potholes here in Southern Ohio / Northern Kentucky -- several times the alignment was knocked out -- only once was a wheel damaged. Is it possible that the wheels were "bad?" I have had Audi bend over backwards to do things to "make it right," I think you should not give up with Audi, yet. Moreover, your auto insurance may pay for this, as did mine -- and my letters to the state highway kept of KY certainly worked too. Its just that is seems SO RARE for three wheels to be bent, especially if the car was NOT involved in an accident or crash. Audi should come to your aid, IMO.


    I have noticed that these low profile tires and alloy wheels (that are on many cars, not limited to Audis) are much softer (or more likely to be damaged in the case of the tires) than the steel wheels and higher profile tires that are on lower performance, lower priced cars. Perhaps this just goes with the territory.


    The most disturbing and [for you] disappointing part of your message is the apparent resolution (none) from Audi. Again, I encourage you to try Audi -- I usually write a letter to Audi Owner Loyalty -- Carol Glynn -- and then she forwards it to the correct party. I never blame anyone for the problem, I just state the facts and ask if anything can be done.


    I have found Audi generally helpful.

  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,088
    The A6 has had "bad fuel sensors" or something like that since the beginning, in fact my wife's TT also had it. My 1999, 2000 A6's had them replaced free and all was well. My 2001 A6 4.2 has had no such problems.

    I was told this was NOT just an Audi problem -- they buy parts from VDO or Bosch or some other mfg as does BMW and Merc -- I was told that some of the Mercs had the same problems as the Audis (bad fuel guage or fuel sending unit).

    It was or should be a recall item and even if you are OOW, you should get the problem fixed free.
  • desaljsdesaljs Posts: 24
    If you are driving on Goodyear RS-A's I believe the ride could be rough due to these tires. My 1997 A6 quattro avant came with these tires in the same size (205/55/16). They lasted about 40,000 miles and I just replaced them with Firestone SH 30's. The ride quality improved somewhat, and noise levels were significantly improved, espically on cement highways. The wet road performance was greatly improved. It could all be due to the tires.
  • bertram60bertram60 Posts: 113
    Bluejlb, just to let you know, there are a ton of companies that advertise in mags like European car that will fix bent alloys. I had three square BBS wheels that i sent out and had fixed for $125 each which included straightening, refinishing and R&R and balance the tires. Whatever you do, don't throw them away without trying to fix them.

    Tirerack is definitly the best source for great wheel and tire prices. Good luck.
  • mariobgoodemariobgoode Posts: 114
    To Bluejlb: I agree with Bertram60. Don't throw them away. Check out the www.AudiWorld.com website for an article which came out last week about the repair of alloy wheels. It could save you some money and aggravation. Also, don't forget to ask around if your neighbors had experienced the same problem with their cars. Maybe you can identify the problem and come up with a solution or avoid a repetition of the problem entirely. Good luck. Mario
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