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Hmmmm.
I also told him what A of A told me over the phone last week, i.e., no sport suspension packages on the '05 A6's. He said he believed sport suspension packages would become available sometime after the initial production run, which is what he believed the Initial Order Guide related to. Be interested to know the date of the "brochure" you have.
To test both his knowledge and credibility, I asked him whether sport suspension would be stiffer than air suspension on the lowest level 1
setting. He said he'd never been asked that question before and, frankly, didn't know the answer!!
Clearly, the best way to find out will be to test new A6's without sport suspension, with sport suspension and with air suspension. Guess, I'll just have to be patient till I can do that.
If you don't mind, where are you getting $2000 below invoice for an s-line? I'm looking at them too.
Thanks,
Copper
a "Preliminary" A6 4.2 Model Year 2005 Order Guide
with a Pre-Release Draft Date of June 16, 2004 that
does indeed show a Sport Package as an option.
The Sport Package includes sport suspension, front sport seats & 18 inch 7-arm alloy wheels with 245/40
performance tires.
I reviewed the fax again you sent me Auditor and it seems the difference among the 4.2 and the 3.2 for packages are the following:
The 4.2 comes standard with the Premium Package and the Convenience Package. Also the 4.2 has the upgraded Volterra Leather and the 17" alloy wheels. And of course the V8.
Sport, Cold and Audio packages are optional!
So guys, I guess when the prices come out, all I have to due to compare apples to apples is to add the Convenience, Premium, Volterra leather and the 17" wheels to the price of the 3.2. Then any $ difference between the 4.2 and the 3.2 at that point will be for the V8 engine.
Let me know what you guys think.
Thanks
I believe you've almost got it right. In looking over the material I
originally sent you (and Mark), as well as the initial order guide for the 3.2, its premium package inlcudes the upgraded Bose stereo. So, to get to apples and apples, you may have to add the price for the 4.2's
audio package to its base price, and then do the comparison.
My most current understanding is that the initial base MSRP's will be
$40,900 for the 3.2 and $51,000 for the 4.2. The prices for the 4 options you mentioned might be: Prem. Pkg. (without audio component)
$1,100; Conven. Pkg. $1,250 (my guess); 17" wheels & tires $750; and Volterra leather $1,000 (another guess). Assuming there's another $1K
of misc. items the 4.2 has but the 3.2 doesn't, would bring the 3.2 to
$46,000, thus leaving $5,000 for the cost of the larger engine.
I've also been told the 3.2's starting MSRP of $40,900 will be good only for 30 days from "launch," i.e., when the cars are first sold to
customers, and that the price will then go up by $1,000 every 30 days
for 3 months till it gets to $43,900. Don't know whether the same will happen to the 4.2, but it might.
Thanks for the info. I was just on the UK website for 2 hours looking though all their stuff. I built 3 cars and checked out every single option they had. Kind of weird that they don't have any packages over there, just individual options for everything.
Sounds like they are going to try to stick it to us if we don't buy right away, fricken bastards. What is there philosophy for that move?
Who did you get your pricing info from, Dealer?
Sounds accurate though from what I have read and heard around.
I guess the question is, is $5,000 or $6,000 worth the V8?
p.s. What dollar amount hits the luxury tax?
Prices for options are entirely guesstimates on my part. None of the
dealers I spoke with gave me option prices yet.
Whether the V8 is worth $5,000 + or - more will, I believe, best be determined after you test drive both cars. Frankly, I expect the charge I'll get from the V8 will easily get me past the extra $5K.
My understanding from the dealers I've spoken to is that in the past few years most of the A6's they've sold were 6 cylinder ones. That is, the V8's are relatively rarer and, thus, have a higher resale value, i.e., hold their value a bit better. (Mark - since you've had so many Audi's, maybe you could comment on that from your experience).
Lastly, I don't believe the luxury tax will apply to any of the A6's.
I would really like to place an order, but I sure am not about to pay over invoice price. And I want to specify options and color.
See www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14948 for the
following initial MSRP pricing on the 2005 A6 3.2:
Base price $40,900 (6-speed tiptronic, MMI w/7" color, Bluetooth prep)
Prem. Pkg. 3,000 (Sunroof, Bi-xenon lights & Bose sound system)
Conven. Pkg. 1,000 (dimming & pwr. mirrors, homelink, memory seats)
Cold Weather 900 (heated seats, head light washers, ski sack)
Delivery 720
Total $46,520
My GUESS is the above will compare to the following for the 4.2:
Base price $51,000 (same as above for the 3.2 plus upgraded trim)
Bose Audio 1,100
Delivery 720
Total $52,820
Hope this helps. By the way, did you ever take those test drives??
Never took test drives. I have gone to 2 local dealers and the last had no info what so ever about the new A6. Took him 15 min. of me standing in front of a 4.2 A6 05' before he came out. I wanted to sit in it and he looked like I was putting him out. I was the only customer there that early in the morning as well. I asked him a couple questions and he seemed really annoyed so after a couple minutes I just left. Funny cause I am Medical Device Sales and have been in Sales for 11 years, and I don't think there is a dumber person I have ran across in my life. Did not ask my name, what I was looking for or try to give me a card etc. The first dealership was worse, he tried to sell me 3 used cars before I walked out of there. The only dealership that is Premier is 2 hours North of me and I will wait to go up there to spend some driving time with the 05' 4.2.
Anyway, It sounds like there might be a 4-5k difference between the 3.2 and the 4.2 when you outfit them exactly alike.
The 4.2 comes standard with the Premium and Convenience package, Volterra Leather and 17" alloy wheels. ( I see the Bose stereo on both sheets you sent me and they have it standard on the premium for the 3.2 and offer a Bose package on the 4.2 as an Audio package with satellite radio. Sounds like you can get the 200 watt system inc. in the Premium package but have to pay more for the satellite radio. )
So, with a 4-5k variance, I think I could sneak into the 4.2 Guess we will have to wait to see.
If you or Mark run across anymore official equipment guides like you go tat the Audi dealer earlier this year, let me know.
Thanks
My suggestion is to go to the 2005 A6 post and read all of those for the past year. You will really learn a lot from them.
FYI, the 2005 A6 4.2 has the same S4 engine in it that you test drove which is similar to the A8 engine but slightly tuned down. Bottom line is the 05' A6 will be completely different from the 04' A6. I have been waiting to buy a car for 4 months now ( my jeep blew up ) and I was thinking of the A6 04' but learned about the 05' and never looked back. I am renting until they come out in the next several months.
Three good references on the 2005 A6 post are Auditor and Mark ( Cincinatti ) and myself. It seems among us, we have a lot of info. to answer any question you may have.
Good Luck
The markdowns on "red tags" hanging from the mirrors on most of these babies was easily at least a cool 10% off MSRP, and this seems to be up a smidge from last month.
I dunno what the deals really are, but the the first blush is at the very least "a good place to start" especially if you want an SLine. Now, the odd thing is, none of them had Sat Nav.
I don't care what you say about the nav lite in US Audi's -- it works and it works VERY well.
Don't leave home without it.
But, if you don't care for it, so be it -- the head 'em up move 'em out deals are very close now, very close indeed.
If you can live with the colors on the lot rather than your specific color, you may soon be the owner of a very nice Sline A6 if you're not careful.
Drive it like you live for a price you can afford.
Of course, know that the new, all new 05 A6 will be here real soon -- don't be gettin' buyer's remorse!
that pricing strategy, 3 $1000 price increases in 3 months - what a crock. what are they trying to get people to commit to the first units off the line, basically paying you to debug the car for them?
they would be better off having a uniform price, and then throwing in some options free as a launch promo. instead, they risk dampening initial enthusiasm for the car by having the first interested parties be confronted with this insane pricing strategy.
I went to the 2005 post and read it all. Thanks so much, it was very helpful. I need to wait now until I can actually test drive one!
JP.
I would love to hear other opinions...
This is a decent deal and assuming the lease or Audi financing deal is similar, this is "almost" a once in a lifetime deal.
Sure, 60 days from now if the car is still sitting there unsold, the deal may improve -- and AoA may "incent" the dealer even further.
My guess is that there will soon be some letters mailed to current Audi financial customers offering some "encouragement" to buy another Audi product -- perhaps there will be a campaign that will force the issue with respect to "leftover" 2003 and 2004 models (they almost certainly exist at this very minute, but October is still a ways off).
I heard that some dealers cannot get new models (unless presold) if their inventory of old models is above a certain threshold; in this way then, AoA attempts to motivate and protect the dealers (and itself) by timing the delivery of the newer models. Of course, this means that sometimes new cars sit in port just waiting for the inventory that is "out there" to get to a certain level.
Imagine, if on October 31, a flood of 05 A6's came to the dealers -- the selling prices of the 04 A6's would probably take yet another hit. Some dealers can't lose money and "make it up in volume" and AoA would probably rather NOT send out too many $4,000 off coupons either.
Not too long ago they sent out $5,000 coupons which "forced" the dealers to "eat" $1,000 in dealer margin in exchange for a $4,000 rebate from AoA to the dealers. In some cases this cut into the remaining profit margin for the cars, effectively meaning the dealers had no say in setting the selling price and no say in determining their income from these transactions.
Your deal sounds like it is 10%+ off MSRP -- this is NOT a bad deal and perhaps there IS a better one. It is a bit of a roll of the dice at this point. If you are buying the car, this deal will not likely be replicated for a long time. If you are leasing the car, the cap cost reduction this implies is still impressive, but the lease payment may not change as much as you might hope since the residual on last year's model is lower than on next year's -- and, well, you know the rest.
If YOU CAN WAIT without harming yourself in any way, you might just see what August brings, its not that far off.
The base price is listed without qualifiers as:
$40,900. No step up pricing is mentioned. Price sheet lists option package prices, too. Date on Sheet June 2004. This may not be the most current stuff, but it is the most current my dealer had to share with me. Premium Package = $3,000, Cold Package = $900, Convenience Package = $1,000.
Wood steering wheel, $300 -- where that came from I dunno, but there it is.
I asked for a price on the Sat nav. My "hope" is they keep it at or under $2K -- it seems it should be "under" since the color MMI screen is already included in the base price.
But, they didn't ask me.
Jim
Still not sure what I will do but since I don't care too much about color and there do seem to be quite a few around, I may sit it out a little longer.
thanks again.
Following first is info. that is discrete to each model; second, I've listed options that are the same price for either model; and last I attempted to configure both the 3.2 and the 4.2 to make them comparable: this showed an "extra cost" of $5,250 for the 4.2's V8 engine (with either sport suspension, tires and seats on both of them, or no
sport suspension but 18" wheels with all-seasons
on both of them).
A6 3.2 V6:
Base price $40,900
Premium Pkg. $3,000 (Sunroof, Xenons, Adaptive lights,BOSE sound system and wood interior trim)
Convenience Pkg. $1,000 (Auto dimming interior &
exterior mirrors, Homelink, driver's seat memory, driver info. display and storage pkg.)
Cold weather Pkg. $900 (Htd. front & rear seats,
ski sack and headlight washers)
Sport Pkg. $1,250 (sport suspension & 18" wheels with performance tires)
Front sport seats $500
Premium leather $1,000
Satellite radio $550
17" wheels with all-season tires $750
18" wheels with all-season tires $1,000
A6 4.2 V8:
Base price $50,500
Audio Pkg. $$1,300 (Bose sound system & satellite radio)
Cold weather Pkg. $1,050 (Htd. front & rear seats
& steering wheel, ski sack and headlight washers)
Sport Pkg. $1,500 (sport suspension, wheels and tires, AND sport seats)
18" wheels with all-season tires $750
Options with the same MSRP for each model:
Rear parktronic $350
Power rear and manual side window shades $400
Rear side airbags $350
Audi NAV system $1,500
Tire pressure monitoring system $250
Advanced key $750
Voice recognition $350
Calif./Northeast Emissions $150
Security wheel locks $85
Destination charge $720
Here are my comparables:
3.2 base $40,900
Prem. Pkg. $3,000
Sat. radio $550
Conven. Pkg. $1,000
Prem. Leather $1,000
Sport Pkg. $1,250
Sport seats $500
Cold weather $900
Total $49,100
4.2 base $50,500
Audio Pkg. $1,300
Sport Pkg. $1,500
Cold weather $1,050
Total $54,350 (or $5,250 more than the 3.2)
If you substitute 18" wheels with all seasons on each model in place of Sport Pkg. & seats, the totals are: 3.2 $48,350; and 4.2 $53,600 (still a
$5,250 difference).
Really last, if you add a NAV system, rear parktronic and tire pressure monitoring to each of the above, it results in the following MSRP's w/o dest. chge.: 3.2 sport $51,200; 3.2 no sport but 18" wheels $$50,450; 4.2 sport $56,450; 4.2 no sport, but 18" wheels $55,700 (which compares to about $71K for a comparably equipped '05 SWB A8).
Hope this helps. Happy configuring to everyone!!
Would you be a sport and fax that latest July pricing over to me? Fax is 831 476 0356.
Thanks for the help, this will help me make my pre-decision. Also give me something else to do besides building my car on the Audi UK website.
Thanks
I just faxed the two price sheets to you. Let me know when you've received them.
Have fun configuring!!
Bob
P.S. Don't forget to let me know how your test rides go when you finally take them.
"New" colors on this car are: Canyon Red, Dakar Beige, Stratos Blue and the Cambridge Green. I think the Beige is just a bit lighter than the Alpaca Beige on the All-road and A-4, and darker than the A-8 Beige....based on the color chips. Darker than the beige on the old A-6...I think it works.
Based on what I believe to be true, the pricing noted in thread above in # 288 is accurate.
I don't think the "robin's egg" color is available..only Stratos Blue (pretty...medium blue) and Night Blue (very dark). Other available colors include the white and silver. The problem with silver is it's "everywhere"...
Happy trails!
I'm certain the bigger dealers get more allocation...my dealer has two cars in November and then more coming in January and that they will know about the January allocation on Monday July 26. They're a pretty small dealer though...
If you want a car...you might check early next week about the January deliveries...
One of the questions above related to leasing....How I think it works is the residual is a percentage of MSRP...so in theory a lessee would pay a monthly payment based on MSRP less a certain residual, amortized with interest over X months, plus interest on the residual payment in the future. As the MSRP goes up, the payment should go up too.
The pricing strategy, it seems to me, has to do with creating a sense of urgency...buy now because it's going up next week. If I was Audi, not sure I'd do it differently. I was told by the dealer that a initial MSRP pricing on the new A-6 was actually less than the 2004 2.7 MSRP but haven't checked on it.
I was told that "90%" of the cars were 6 cylinder and that 10% were 8 cylinders....may or may not be right.
First, is it correct that you tested an '05 A6 4.2, but have ordered a 3.2 which you didn't test drive? I'm curious to know since, also in June, I test drove a stratos blue A6 3.2 (euro spec. car w/6-speed manual), but am leaning toward ordering an 4.2!!
Second, did your dealer mention that Audi plans to increase the base MSRP (of $40,900) fairly early and, if so, when does he believe they'll do so. One of the dealers I've been talking to said the initial MSRP's on both the 3.2 and 4.2 would go up "90 days after launch," i.e., 90 days after first deliveries to dealers.
Last, was your dealer willing to give you any discount (regardless of whether you're buying or leasing) despite your being his 1st (or one of his 1st two) buyers of an '05 A6 3.2??
P.S. for Mark Cincinnati: Given all the Audi's you've leased over the past 25+ years, what's been your experience on dealers' willingness to agree to a discount, if you buy (or lease) at, or very near, the beginning of a new model introduction??
I drove the 4.2...but also a TT with a 3.2 engine and a 04' A6 S Line (250 hp) so I thought I had a sense of the difference in performance. My 3 series has a 3.0, 225 hp motor, and although it's a lighter car, I'm comfortable with that performance level as well.
I believe he did mention that the prices would go up...but I don't recall any specifics.
I did ask for a discount since I would be doing all this "free" promotion for them, and they said no.
Most critical are what dealer/factory incentives are available, are they tied to leasing, any other input is also appreciated
A6 2.7T Sline Quattro
PPX: Premium Package
PAW: Cold Weather Package
PXM: Premium Sound
MSRP $46,920
Your Price $40,750
Invoice (Edumonds Pull) $42,397
Any thoughts?????????
A6 2.7T Sline Quattro
PPX: Premium Package
PAW: Cold Weather Package
PXM: Premium Sound
MSRP $46,920
Your Price $40,750
Invoice (Edumonds Pull) $42,397
Any thoughts?????????
Go to carsdirect.com and configure that exact vehicle to see what their price is.
I see you have found our Audi A6: Prices Paid & Buying Experience discussion - keep checking in there as well.
Good luck -- let us know how it goes.
- Ray
Thinking the $55 - $56K price for a well equipped V8 is (while expensive) a reasonable value - as that term can be used in this context . . .
Are you getting loyalty bonus too?
I've been getting $0 - $1000 under invoice in NJ.
CT seems to have better deals.
Thanks for faxing that info. Picked it up this morning. I can read everything fairly well so no need to send again.
I will send my config prices to compare apples to apples later this week for analysis.
Thanks
Did my personal config. on the two.
3.2 is as follows:
$40,900 - 3.2
$3,000 - Premium
$1,000 - Convenience
$550 - Sat Radio
$1,250 - Sport Pkg
$1,000 - Premium Leather
Total = $47,700
4.2 is as follows:
$50,500 - 4.2 (bad [non-permissible content removed] V8)
$0 - Premium Inc.
$0 - Convenience Inc.
$1,500 - Sport package
$0 - Premium Leather Inc.
$1,300 - Bose Audio & Sat system
Total = $53,300
Difference is $5,600
Now, is there no navigation standard on these cars? You have to order the separate option of DVD Nav for $1,500?
Also, does the Bose system come standard on the 4.2 or is it an option for both vehicles.
Thanks
To really get "apples to apples," I suggest you add $500 sport seats to the 3.2 you configured, since the 4.2's sport package includes them. This would bring your 3.2's total to $48,200, or $5,100 less than your 4.2's total of $53,300. To each total, of course, you'd then need to add the $720 delivery charge to be really complete.
Per the price sheets I sent you, it seems that neither a DVD-based NAV system or BOSE audio system are standard on either model. That is, the $1,500 DVD NAV system is an option on both models, and so is the BOSE system: on the 3.2, it's part of the $3,000 premium package; and, on the 4.2, it's part of a $1,300 BOSE option that also includes a satellite radio.
As we both speculated a few weeks ago, it looks like the additional
MSRP for the V8 engine is about $5K. To see if it's worth that to get
a car that's about 1 second faster, maybe has a few more extra finer items inside and is a bit more "exclusive," perhaps we'll both have to test both cars, preferably one right after the other.
Let's keep the dialog going.
Bob
I have been looking at the recent discussions and prices on the A6 and they seem extremely reasonable. My one question is that there is a 1000 dollar option for premium leather seats. I have been seeing this on the new A4 Cabriolet as well. What is the difference between the premium leather and normal leather the car comes standard with? Is it really worth a grand more for it? Any suggestions would be great. Thanks.