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the part of your post that stood out was "chrysler won't fool me twice". i don't think chrysler ever set out to fool you or anyone else...just because you weren't smart enough to check and see whether the car had anti-locks is your own problem and noboby elses!
I will pay better attention in the future though. With all of the discontenting that is going on in the auto industry, we all will have to.
You fellas sure do enjoy a good debate. Just remember that a good debater doesn't insult the opponent.
But let's return to the issue of ABS. How can a car without ABS be a good thing? Aside from the fact that you might actually need those airbags (which are still standard by the way--by law in the U.S. at least), and your insurance will be higher (my experience), how is a car without ABS better than one with ABS? I have two other cars with ABS and I have experienced "saves" under certain conditions that might have created a bad result without ABS.
As for changing the brakes, I just replaced brakes on four wheels, including rotors and drums, on a vehicle I own that has ABS. Following the shop manual, all I had to do was disconnect the battery.
The bottom line for me: Use Edmunds.com alot when buying, and pay attention to detail.
Happy 'Trepping
ES
Also doing the brakes on a ABS car is no different than on a non-ABS car . As long as you dont open the fluid lines and have to bleed the brakes , everything is the same.
One thing I'm impressed with though, is the location of the oil filter. The 2.7 has got to be about the easiest car I've ever had to change the oil on! I can actually get to it without having to raise the car up. Just pull it to the edge of the driveway, where the ground slopes away from it, and I can get under there no trouble at all!
I wonder if the switch back to RWD, and the bigger, blockier looking front-ends, will open up some room under the hood?
I saw 4(!) lightly disguised Magnums here in Boston at 8am this morning, two on the Harvard bridge, two parked on Memorial Drive (for those of you who know Boston). Two were the wagon, two were a notchback sedan. They looked almost exactly like the show vehicle, as is typical of DC. They had incredible presence, and were lower than I expected (no taller in appearance than my protege) but that might have been a result of the small window, square jaw and wide stance. Awesome, radical proportions.
The notchback was less attactive to me, it had a CTS-like profile with a short rear deck. It was nice, don't get me wrong, but the wagon is the showstopper. I am very sorry I didn't have my camera with me!
I don't have anything else to add, I'm not in the market for a car this size or a big DC fan, but wow, it is gorgeous. DC is seriously on a styling role. Just thought I'd share with you the news. Take care and cheers.
I dont think the ABS is problem with that car , if the line is cut you would lose fluid and you would have no brakes . If it does not move well something is jammed or damged that causes the car not move
What are your general thoughts on this vehicle? I assume, since this is the Intrepid board, that there will be a fair amount of fans of this vehicle here and that's fine. I'd also like to hear about the concerns with this veh though, as well as the positives.
I've honestly not shopped the Intrepid before (like I said, this would be the wifey's) so I am pretty uninformed at this point. I would appreciate any feedback you, or anyone else, could give me regarding this veh. Thanks!
Regards... Vikd
That being said, there should be tons of used Intrepid's floating around, so I would take the time to look at a number of them. A lot of Intrepids have been either former rental cars, or owned by younger people who may not have spent the money to maintain them properly. So I would take my time and look at a few.
Anyway, I've been pretty happy with my '00. It has just under 82,000 miles on it, and I can't complain. I hate to sound too generic here, but the best thing you could do is get a competent mechanic to look the thing over, and check out the usual trouble spots. Hopefully, you can see the service records for the car. The 2.7 is a good little engine, but I've heard it's prone to sludging if you let it go too long between oil changes. I always change mine every 3-4K (I try for 3K, but did let it stretch to around 4K a few times).
I believe they got most of the kinks out of the tranny by '96 or so, but they still keep on tweaking it here and there, with every new model year, so I'm guessing it's still not bulletproof. I get my fluid changed every 30,000 miles, just to be safe. I think the owner's manual says every 100K miles for "regular" service, and every 50K miles for "severe" service. I'm not taking any chances though. I'd rather pay the $100 every 30K miles to have my mechanic service it, than worry about a $2500+ repair sometime down the road. Maybe if I was going to trade the car in soon, I might be tempted to skimp, but I need this thing to last me.
Anyway, here's a rough rundown of things that have gone wrong over the years...
30K miles: new tires (OEM Goodyear Eagle GA's wear out FAST!), tranny service, alignment check.
35K miles: power lock actuator in driver's door went out, replaced under warranty.
39K miles: new front brake pads (I delivered pizzas back then, with a lot of stop-and-go driving. I was pleasantly suprised that they lasted that long, but I think others on this board have gotten more out of them)
~44K miles: rear door seal started to shrink, letting in air, but not water. Also, the passenger side mirror adjust went out, but I just left it broken, and adjust it by hand if it shifts.
51K miles: new rear brake pads, spark plugs, and thermostat housing. I've heard the thermostat housing is actually a common problem on these. At least, that's what my mechanic said. It cost about $210 to replace. The part was around $84, and the rest was labor to put it on. It had actually been leaking for awhile, but stupid me, it looked like it was leaking out of a nozzle, so I thought it was supposed to do that! That's what I get for being so used to older cars, that would actually blow off a little coolant when pressure got too high. I should've known that no new car is supposed to do that!!
62K miles: tranny service, alignment
69K miles: new front brake pads. I made the mistake of putting cheap, no-name pads on at 39K. This time around, I put some fairly expensive Bendix pads on, so they should last a lot longer.
77K miles: new tires.
And that's about it, other than occasional stuff like rotating the tires, every 3rd oil change, and replacing the air filter and pcv valve every 15K miles or so.
I'm honestly not sure when the belts and hoses come due, but the coolant is supposed to be good for 5 years/100K miles, I think. Just to play it safe though, I might have the belts, hoses, and coolant, and tranny, done in November or at 90K miles, whichever comes first. In Nov, I'll have had the car 4 years, so I figure that's a good interval, anyway.
As for gas mileage, I've gotten anywhere between just under 20 mpg (wintertime, delivering pizzas, running on that nasty oxygenated gas) to just over 30 (on a trip, running around the speed limit of 65...Dad was in the car and he gripes when I go too fast!)
I think 2002 was actually the year they started cheapening them up. One thing I noticed was that they quit putting carpeting and cloth on the door panels. The cloth was replaced with vinyl and the carpet was just gone, exposing the hard plastic underneath.
Somewhere along the line though, they dropped a few other things. I think they also dropped the rear sway bar (a shame, because even in base form, the 'Trep would outhandle uplevel versions of cars like the Regal, Taurus, Impala, etc), and the tint on the windows. Mine still gets hot enough inside with the windows all the way up though, so I'm not sure how useful the tint is, anyway!
Last time I was at the dealership was about a month or so ago for a recall...something about some bolts in the backrest of the seat that could break. While I was there, I looked around the lot, and saw about 5 or 6 '02 Intrepids, all base SE models, with about 20-25K miles on them, for around $12,995. Some of 'em had alloy wheels, some of 'em didn't.
Well, that's it in a nutshell...hope this helps. Also hope you're still awake after reading all this!!
Hope this helps
Otto
I also have a 2001 for business use that we bought in May of 2002, and I have been very please with it. It is hard to find a better buy out there right now - the value quotient is high.
The business car is a Chrysler Intrepid, bought in Canada as an Avis used rental car. Intrepids are badged as Chryslers in Canada.
Probably will look into the extra warranty for the new 2002 - wonder what that will cost for 5yr/100,000 miles?
Cheers,
Scott D.
I got it through the dealer, and have never had to use it. I dunno if I overpaid or not, but I figure if the tranny or engine blows at 99,000 miles, it'll more than pay for itself!
I always thought it'd be kinda cool to have a Chrysler Intrepid...I think it would make a neat conversation piece! I wonder if that causes them problems though, selling Chrysler Concordes and Chrysler Intrepids in the same showroom?
I myself do not like the Intrepid being a Chrysler in Canada. Chrysler to me is the luxury brand of DC . The Trep should be Dodge , the performance division. The Cocncorde is luxury , the Trep sporty/performance amd the 300 luxury performance . I hope when the LX cars come out the Dodge version will be Dodge in Canada .
That steel blue is a nice color, unavailable in 1999 when I ordered this Champagne one. I tried to get the cypress green, but then it was only available with the dark grey interior, and I wanted the saddle tan. So ours is champagne with tan leather inside. The outside sure doesn't show much dirt.
I have had light colored cars for 20 years, but darker ones seem to be catching on. The whites and yellows are said to be more visible but sometimes the dark ones look so good when they are clean. They sure have cut down on the options as far as doors, paint, and interior colors over the years. All money saving for the manufacturers.
Keep safe out there.
ES 99
That's dumb, that the cypress green only came with the dark gray interior. I'd think that a tan interior would go great with that color! When I bought my silver '00, I actually did want that cypress green, just from the color sample in the sales brochure. When the sales guy showed me a minivan in that color though (no 'Treps on the lot in that color to show), I didn't like it. Looking back, now I don't know why, but for some reason at the time it just didn't appeal to me.
It is amazing how fast the time goes by, though. It'll be 4 years in November that I've had mine. I cleaned it up real nice to take it up to the all-Mopar Nationals in Carlisle PA the other week, and aside from a few stone chips, and some minor damage to the front and rear fascia (they just don't make bumpers like they used to!), it looks almost new. Only real problem on the inside is that the steering wheel is starting to deteriorate around the 9 o'clock position. The dark gray material on the outside is rubbing off, exposing the foam underneath.
ES, hope you have a safe trip. Let us know how the 'Trep does! I might be going to a family reunion in NC in a few weeks, and I have a feeling that I'm going to get talked into being the driver! At least this trip would only be about 5 hours, but with relatives on board, that can seem like an eternity!
I'll probably hit the 83,000 mile mark on my 'Trep on that trip. It's weird to think that soon, this car is going to have more miles on it than my '79 New Yorker! (about 87K right now).
About the only damage on mine is from stone chips. it's also creased just a little in the front fascia from where I rear-ended someone about 2-3 months after I bought the car. It also got whacked a few times in the parking lot, but nothing major. The silver paint shows no sign at all of fading. Considering that I park outside all the time, and don't wax it like I should, I'd say it's holding up pretty well!
My only real complaint is that the exhaust system started looking really rusty pretty early on. I don't think it's getting any worse, but it just doesn't look too pretty when you get up under the car!
The lower black air dam was knocked free on a recent trip by a chunk of truck tire. Praise be to the wizards at Strauss Auto who always seem able to rivet it back in place. My rear fascia is also a bit scuffed--someone backed into me in a parking lot. If it weren't so costly I have the front and rear replaced. When I bought my Trep I did have them install the full front end "mask" (or bra depending on what you call it). But after a few curbs and driveways, the elastic bands were rubs through and broke. That would have helped despite the fact that it rubbed on the front fenders and left some superficial scratches.. The price we pay for a beautiful, low slung car I suppose..
My lower black air dam came off, too. In the course of delivering pizzas, I hit a 'possum and a cat. Thankfully, both of them lived (I'm too much of an animal lover and actually kind of a wuss when it comes to that stuff. God help me if I ever had to kill my own food!). But the cat took my air dam almost all the way off.
I drove around with it loose like that, but finally just pulled it off. I probably shouldn't have, as it probably alters the aerodynamics a bit, and might have some effect on the cooling system, but that was over 2 years ago, and doesn't seem to have caused any problems yet!
My daughter has put a fuzzy blue steering wheel cover - odd to say the least, but she likes it. She also has a small purple dolphin hanging from the rear view mirror, a purple/blue blanket and pillows on the back seat.
I want to get mud flaps on the car shortly, as I find this saves the lower body panels a lot of wear, and also am thinking of putting clear plastic shielding on the leading edge of the hood. Anyone have any experience with this?
Andre - the 'cinnamon glaze' 01 Chrysler Intrepid keeps on flawlessly at about 41,000 miles. I have seen one or two other Intrepids here in the US branded as Chryslers, but not many.
Cheers,
Scott.
It's open to all cars up through 1983. I guess it was up through 1982 last year. I do remember a good number of 70's cars there last year, but there were tons of 50's and 60's cars, and even a good turnout of 40's, 30's, and older. I kinda liked that, because it's getting to the point at the Carlisle shows that it's all mostly just musclecars, and then the car corral is mainly overpriced junk. Now musclecars are cool and all, but I always like to see a wide variety of old cars.
My first time going was last year, but I want to try to make it a yearly thing. If you can make it, Mike, I highly recommend it!
Oh yeah, Jason, thanks for the correct spelling! I just noticed that if you pronounced it the way I typed it, your mother might wash your mouth out with soap!
Yeah, I'm definitely going. I live in Crofton MD, which is near Annapolis, but I'm driving up to Grbeck's place Friday nite. He lives near Harrisburg. We'll be coming out from that direction. I guess he's about an hour and a half from Macungie. We'd be coming out I-78 East. That'd be cool if you want to try and meet up. It's a big place though, so it might be kind of hard to coordinate. I guess we could exchange cell phone #'s or something. My email is jgandrew@hotmail.com, if you want to contact me. You too, Jason5...let me know if you want to try a get-together on Saturday!
It's okay to *link* to pictures on public websites, just don't use the img src tags to actually display them in your message unless you own the copyright or are able to positively ascertain that they are in the public domain.
And I suppose the second most important rule is that the picture be topical. PRIMARILY topical, not somewhat topical in the background. If you get my drift.
It was actually pretty inspiring, seeing how much people can get into their Intrepids, Concordes, and such. At the GM and Ford Nationals, you don't see people flaunting their Tauruses and FWD Impalas! (Impala SSes and classic Impalas, that's a different story!)
You are free to display pictures from edmunds.com here in the Town Hall (but not elsewhere on the web), but otherwise just post a link.
That steel blue is a nice color, unavailable in 1999 when I ordered this Champagne one. I tried to get the cypress green, but then it was only available with the dark grey interior, and I wanted the saddle tan. So ours is champagne with tan leather inside. The outside sure doesn't show much dirt.
I have had light colored cars for 20 years, but darker ones seem to be catching on. The whites and yellows are said to be more visible but sometimes the dark ones look so good when they are clean. They sure have cut down on the options as far as doors, paint, and interior colors over the years. All money saving for the manufacturers.
Keep safe out there.
ES 99