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Older Acura TLs

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  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    The "base" TL will come pretty loaded I would expect. So equipment-wise what would they add for a Type-S? And in terms of power, how much more can you add to a FWD drivetrain?

    Acura would be much better off to load up on an all-new RL with AWD, 325+ HP, and all the electronic gizmo they can think of.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Bodble2 - I agree. As long as the suspension and weight are okay, the base TL should provide all the sport that is needed. The fact that Acura is offering the HPT package hints that the car is well-suited for performance (within reason). We shall see...
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    270HP is nice but does anyone know whether it will still lag in torque department?
  • pwjone1pwjone1 Posts: 8
    It does seem like the TL and Accord are somewhat similar, but kind of eye-balling the roof line, it kind of looks to me like the TL roof is maybe a tad lower in the back. I might be wrong, hard to tell for sure, but if it is lower that might cut down on head room. The older TL had less back seat room (and maybe a tad more front seat leg room) than the equivalent Accord. The current Accord, which the TL is based on, probably has the minimum back seat room I'd be willing to put up with (out of curtesy to those that have to sit in the back - I hate driving with the front seat forward to give enough room to those in the back). So if the new TL has less room than the Accord again, that could be a problem.
  • victord1victord1 Posts: 94
    ruski- my thought was exactly the same. Personally, I was hoping that Acura would increase the engine from the current 3.2L to 3.5L like those on the Max. Then, again that might interfere with the 3.5RL.
  • I was kind of disappointed that the rumors of AWD were not true. With the G35 getting AWD and Acura seeming to take aim at Audi with the styling and interiors, I would have thought they would have AWD for their TL. Maybe they're waiting until the release of the RL with rumored IMA AWD to trickle the technology down to the TL? Still, can't wait to drive the 04!

    Question: Any of you here drive the CL-S 6-spd? I never got a chance to so I was interested in some feedback on the combination. I assume the same setup will be "re-tuned" for the new TL?
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    Is just a rumour and wishful thinking posted so often that people started assuming it was true.
    How do people get disappointed when Acura never made any comments or announcements indicating that the TL would have AWD in the first year or ever?
  • ash213ash213 Posts: 40
    Just spoke to a rep from Acura, he informed that they are not extending the warranty on any new TL's any more because problem has been fixed.
  • cjs2002cjs2002 Posts: 341
    I'm in the market to purchase a new car, and I had pretty much cut down my choices to two cars... the G35 and the C230 sedan... yet one day I decided to go look and drive an TL base with navigation... and I found it intreaging that you could get so much eguipment standard... I don't know if the TL has worked its way in as a serious thought contendor but I figured I would ask ya'll how ya'll have enjoyed your own TL and ask if youve had any problems and what its like to drive... I'd really appriciate the help I'm buyin a car at the end of this month.. and so far I think its gonna be the G35 less I'm swayed by outside forces to the Mercedes or even the TL I don't know I'd like to hear ya'lls thoughts and or opinions.. thankx
  • Thought about buying a CL 6-spped within the last month. Some peoeple have complained about the first to second shift grind but i noticed none. I got to go fro a fairly extnesive test ride by myself. The shift is smooth and precise. Could use a little more tire especailly in first and second. If the TL is anything like it it will be awesome.

    The CL was looking old compared to the TSX and the new TL and this car had about 130 miles on it , probably like the ones I put on it. Actually there were two six sppeds a black with tan and a silver with black. I really wanted a black with black with Nav ; no 6-speed navs to be found ( an the new nave is so much better).
  • In looking for some data on the forthcoming 2004 TL sedan I found it quite amusing to review the discussions of various Acura fans regarding the normal design TL car with the 225 hp engine being "enough" or "more than adequate" which of course it is indeed, however it is clear that none of these well meaning folks have had one to one on hand experience with both vehicles, instead most probably they are driving the 3.2 TL car with the normal engine.

    In January 2001 we purchased TWO of these vehicles. The TL 4 door sedan in 2001 was available ONLY with the 225 hp engine,and that is what we bought, but the CL coupe had the S engine option and we bought a type S car here. Both cars are 5 speed automatic cars with no options other than trunk mat and mud guards, everything else being standard. The S car came with memory seats and an in dash 6 disc CD changer(which should have been standard and now is on the TL beginning with the 2002 model year) and 17 inch tires 215 x 50 aspect ratio tires as opposed to the 205 x 60 aspect ration 16 inch tires on the TL. The engines are the other difference.

    Now with 39K miles on the TL we love the car totally except for the missing memory seats and the CD changer. The ride is excellent although clearly weighted towards the stiff side of the handling spectrum as opposed to the softer riding Lexus vehicles and the engine is quite smooth and has adequate if not excellent power across the entire power band. We love it. The car replaced a 1998 RL Special Edition which was a bit too large and soft riding a car for us. The TL is a better fit for our needs.

    But we must tell you that the S car is just SO MUCH MORE a road vehicle that the comparison is not even close. That engine is just so much fun to tip into every so often that it just makes the CL-S car even more pleasant to drive. So a TL with the S engine would be the best of both worlds, not so? We would be buying one in January 2004 if it were not being replaced by the new TL car which should be even more a road car from what we are seeing....more power, bigger brakes, all the good stuff standard and not optional as one finds in the Infiniti G35 cars.

    Make no mistake about it, the TL is a fine car and an excellent investment, but the S car is the one to buy whether you have four or two doors in mind.

    Problems, yes of course. I knew the transmission was in some difficulty at 12K miles when I changed the fluid (which was looking grey in color and not pink as anticipated) and found lots of grey sludge adhering to the magnetic plug. I took a sample and presented it to Acura service and was told "perfectly normal"....right! I continued to change fluid at 12K intervals and remove less material from the plug but was not comfortable with the trans. At 35920 miles last week the S car ate the transmission as we anticipated it would be doing according to the Acura letter we received a year ago advising of some extra ordinary transmission problems before we had them. The car now has a totally new transmission and trans computer (plus a new engine fuel pressure regulator....why that item was changed I can not imagine) and they even furnished a new dip stick for the trans! The car is like new and the 2-3 shift is more firm than it ever was. Our TL with more miles is not showing any transmission difficulties.

    Tires were a bit of a disappointment as the 50 series tires are very short in static loaded radius and therefore transmit a bit more road "feel" to the seat of your pants. And I blew one tire in a small pothole after a snow storm that should have not been a problem. I was travelling slowly and the pothole was not deep, but apparently I hit it just right to rip open the side wall of the tire. I would prefer to have 225 x 60 16 inch tires on this car and not the 50 series but I also see that in 2001 when this car was new 215 x50 17 tires were RARE and now they are showing up on all sorts of sport sedans and coupes do I guess the 50 series is here to stay.

    The S car replaced a 95 Mitsubishi 3000 GT car and is more car in every way. We used to purchase Legend 2 door coupes with the more powerful engine and frankly the CL-S car is everything the old (1993 and 1995 models) Legend Coupe was for us.....at 10,000.00 dollars less money. That is surely a winner.

    So friends, if you are in the market for a TL or CL before they go away in October 2003, go for the S version. It is truly worth every penny more.

    Fuel mileage is 1 mpg LOWER in the S car than the normal TL (perhaps because of the tendancy to enjoy the engine a bit) but they are both OVER 30 MPG at constant 70 mph (1900 engine rpm in gear 5) and around town in mixed driving we get 24 MPG on the TL and 23 on the S car. We surely can live with that.
  • I think you're looking at some very nice cars. I think that for a given level of equipment, the TL will cost you a lot less. Personally, I chose the TL in part to get front wheel drive, as I do a lot of bad-weather driving in the NY City area - the other cars you're looking at are rear-drivers. As far as problems - I had to replace the catalytic converter at 95,000 miles; everything else was warranty, and not much of that! Factory tires lasted 61,000 miles; brake pads were replaced at 80,000 and battery at 85,000. Other than that, all it's gotten is fluid changes. It goes in for a timing belt and plugs at 105,000, which should be in September.

    Short story - I've never owned a more reliable car. It's a great highway cruiser and has been exceptionally cheap to own and run. If you like 3-series BMWs, for example, you'll find that it isn't a great-handling car... but for luxury on the cheap, with safety and long life, I think it's among the best. I'd own another in a minute.
  • scott31scott31 Posts: 280
    on several points.

    The S model does pump things up a bit. I have a TL-S and when I get a TL loaner, there are so many differences. I'm glad I spent the extra $2k on the S.

    I also had a '95 Legend LS Coupe 6-speed. LOVED that car.
  • Does it have MD(mini disc)player?
    I wish MD(mini disc)player in tl.
  • I have read all of the comments about the new TL (I currently have a 1999 TL). If you want AWD, more HP (300), and a luxurious yet sporty interior and exterior... why don't you look at the new Volvo S60R. This is not your father's Volvo. I have ordered one and can't wait. I love my TL but the S60R really got my adrenaline pumping.
  • I agree with you about the R, what an awesome machine! My girlfriend and I flew from Boston to Detroit in February to go to NAIAS just to see the R's (well that and the Aston Martin display which was not in Boston :( I have always loved the look of the S60, and the R with AWD and 300hp routed through a manual ought to rock!

    Downside: 45 grand to start, I've seen them on the lots for 50K. THe TL should be around 32-35K, also would like to keep my next vehicle for about 7-10 years and Volvo's reliability is still a bit sketchy IMO. Also if I were to go the R route, I would go with the V70 merely for the utility that comes along with the excitment.

    Just curious, How do you sum up the reliability of your 99 TL? Has it been good to you?
  • ash213ash213 Posts: 40
    What are the other differences between TL and TL-S, please?
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    I feel that too. I always though that it was the tranny (like a tooth missing on a gear - joke). But it feels like the power delivery is pulsing (I was thingking of it in terms of grabbing before)
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    but I did not find the pulsing that much of a concern compared to my broken tranny and the hickups that both the old and new trannies produce(d) on a daily basis.
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    and did your Acura rep tell you what was wrong with the trannies and how they fixed them?

    Oh, I think I know how they fixed them. With every new (refurbished) tranny replacement they started including a new Power Control Module that somewhat reduces the engine's power. What a great idea.
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