Older Acura TLs

tgif888 · March 2001

Just purchase a TL Type S. Black color with everything except Navigator. No need to wait or put down $1000 deposit. Dealer was able to discount $500 from MSRP. This car is awesome and good. The power is there when you need it. The dealer had hide some of the 2002 from the lot. It had around 5 cars. And the delaer placed one in the show room. One in the lot. And it had quite a lot of the 2001. Dealer said it just want to sell the 2001.

Dealer also told me the rim on the TL Type S model is different than the Type I L. The one on the TL is 1/4 inch less on the top part of the rim when you lay it down. It means less chance to hit the curb when you park too close. The reason for the change is the complain from the CL owner.

razteo · March 2001

I was ready to purchase a 2001 3.2TL, when I discover the "secret" of this car. Long time I was wondering why such a good car, new design, powerful engine, lux. inside..., is only 28k
Because is a Honda, using the most cheap transmission solution(FWD-same as a Civic or Corolla). You never going to see a Benz, or a serious car manufacter making FWD! I like the car, I like the 5 sp. Auto, but when I drove a 5 series BMW(witch is not much more $, but offering the same, at different quality), I got the point. RWD, inside is a soumptos lux, outside design...you see it, is not a Acura!
TL design, in a year or two is going to look like "no name car". Look at any 89 BMW, an you will understeand.
Just go and drive a "real" car, not a substitute, an you will fell the difference. I will deffenetly going to buy a BMW, and, belive me, every penny is worthed!
But, 28K is great for a TL, today you have to pay the same for a Maxima!
I'm sure, manny TL lovers will hate me, but I read to much extraordinar stuff here about a "too normal" car as TL is.

dmallinder · March 2001

RWD is great for high end speed and handling maneuvers. It gives you no real world legal driving advantage and in fact causes you to have MUCH poorer traction in slick conditions as you are pushed rather than pulled round a corner and usually with less of the weight over the driving wheels. Yes a BMW is about 50 50 but a TL is 60-40 over the driving wheels with the better configuration of being pulled.

If I lived in say AZ I'd probably agree RWD is great but in MN it's suicide.

Now how to break it to the BMW fan ( hell they're nice cars no argument ) about the massively higher cost of maintenance and repair and the loss in reliability. Solved by leasing I guess.

So yes if I leased and lived in the sunbelt I'd probably be right there with him. Since I only ever buy cars and live in the frozen north I'll go for FWD or even better, as I did, the quattro.

razteo · March 2001

Corect, forgot to say: I am a South California resident.
Is no dubt, FWD much better on slick road, snow and other stuff. Quattro better.
Regard "massively higher cost of maintenance and repair and the loss in reliability" of a 5 series BMW, let me desagree with you. No offence, TL is good car, but can not compare it with BMW.
On 5 series, the average money going out from owner pocket in 50.000miles(except gas and other possible problems, covered by manufact. warranty), is around $599.00, wicth is hard to beat, let's be honest. (Mercedes E class cost more than double, Jaguar almost four times more)
And, compare with TL, let's not forget, is a real lux. sedan. And sporty! And good-looking. And roomy. And BMW! And not more expensive.
A friend of mine had a stick-shift old BMW, and it past 230.000miles. It still runs perfect, is cozy still inside, fell fun to drive. And it has over 13 years!

Reliability on 5 series BMW? Better is, may be, Mercedes,... and that's all. Tell me I'm wrong!
Do you know how much it's selling a 97 528 auto, with 30.000miles here? $35.000. SELLING, not asking!! And, belive me, they are buyng.
May be the sunny wether here, and the prices are higher, and in your area is lower, I don't know that. May be.

I just want to talk and change impresions with you, guys, no offence for any TL fun.

razteo · March 2001

One more think. If don't belive me, just read any specialists review regard BMW 5 series, from the last 7-8 years. Look what they say.

razteo · March 2001

One more think. If don't belive me, just read any specialists review regard BMW 5 series, from the last 7-8 years. Look what they say. And they know better than me and you!

dcwong1 · March 2001

I recently looked at a 2001 TL. For the money, it is a fantastic value. However, when compared to a BMW 3-series for handling, braking, steering, safety, and overall enjoyment, there is no comparison. The BMW is far superior, but also it costs more too. So you get what you pay for. I currently own a '99 323i and just love it. I test drove the TL and overall, it wasn't bad. However, the engine inline-6 is so much smoother than the V6. It seems like the torque curve on the 2.5L is almost linear while the TL's 3.2L V6 lacks the lowend punch.

What turned me off on the TL was some of the sloppiness of the design. For example, the new TL should have head airbags and an option for rear side air bags - they talk about the safety cage, but heck, every modern car has a safety cage plus the two front airbags. When the TL came out in the '98 or '99, the car only came with two front airbags and a 4-speed auto. What it should have done to stand out among the crowd was to offer the side airbags and a 5-speed auto. There are numerous other things like the overall workmanship of the car. It's better than most cars but it seems like the Germans and Lexus make a better car.

If you can't afford a BMW, Audi, or a MB, buy a VW Passat. It's a better value than the TL.

robnis · March 2001

You suggested one buys a Passat in lieu of a TL? VW must be scared of the car to offer such a meager warranty. If they really want to say they have a quality car, how about 4/50 warranty. Secondly, I test drove a Passat and found that it is underpowered. Now they real car is the TL-S. It will run circles around the Passat, give a much better BTB warranty, has a better resale value, and in the long run should be cheaper to maintain. At lease the 2001.5 Passat finally got a decent cup holder. How about 225 hp?

dcwong1 · March 2001

The Passat actually has a better powertrain warranty than Acura. The Passat has a 10/100000 mile warranty while the TL is 4/50K. Basic warranty is the 2/24K. I'm sure you are right about the resale value of the TL - it is probably a bit higher. The 2000 VW has poor cupholders and the radio buttons are unusually small. You also probably know that besides the 1.8 Turbo offered as its standard engine, it also offers a 2.8 V6 lifted out of the A4/A6 but rated at 190hp. You might not know that the Passat just came out with a W8, not V8, engine in Europe (and should be arriving in the States next year) rated good for at least 275 hp. I think it's a 3.5L. So this is even more power than the Type S at 260hp.

Run circles around the Passat? Probably not when the Passat has the option of 4-motion (4WD) and Acura TL does not.

Do I own a VW Passat? No! I'm a proud owner of a '99 BMW 323i and I've driven the TL and I know that the Bimmer handles, steers, and brakes better than the TL. However, you can't beat the price / value of the TL. For $28-30K, the base TL is one hell of a car. I was a former Acura owner but was turned off by its lackluster designs, safety equipment, and general overall staleness. Past couple of years have been better and I look forward to seeing the V8 powered Legend or in the US, the RL.

svec7186 · March 2001

1)i know that the lexus es300 is the lux ver of the camry, the rx300 is the lus ver of the highlander. is the tl the lux ver of the accord?

2) i was reading about the new jaguar xtype and found out that it will share some small % of parts with some ford car. what is other peoples experiance with jaguar cars since ford baught them?

thanks

lfuron · March 2001

We have been looking for a new car for my wife for the last two weeks. Looked at Volvo S60 turbo
(nice solid and fast but over $40K, BMW 325 (small back seat, low power, 330 well over $40K), Audi and Infinity I30 (both around $40K and neither had performance comparible to TL). BMW may have a very slight advantage in handling and braking but lack of power cancels it out. I have a 280HP supercharged 1995 5sp Maxima which my wife drives so we have a good feel for performance and the TL best fits her wishes. All of the above prices assume comparablly equiped cars to the TL with NAV for $33K.

pat · March 2001

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robnis · March 2001

Nice hypothetical possibility, but this cannot drive the higher powered VW because it is NOT yet available. The only time the Passat can possibly keep up with the TL-s is in in poor weather, then it may be able to do do with the 4motion. Again, for my money it is a no brainer. Not it would be nice if the Passat 4motion had the power of a TL. With the power of a TL-S the 4motion would be special. I reiterate, if VW really wanted to stand behind their car, how about BTP warranty of 4/50. IMO it is "chincy" to offer only a lengthy power train warranty. Now the new A4 may combine the speed and traction (Quattro) some of us are looking for. I maintain the long term cost factor of the TL-S will be significantly cheaper than the Passat (factoring in maintenance and depreciation). My ideal car? All wheel drive (for bad weather), 4/50 BTB warranty, 250-260 hp for power, 16-26 MPG, all the amenities (leather, heated seats, 6 disk in dash cd player, etc, with an MSRP of $35K. Subaru VDC is close, only lacking the engine (212 hp is getting closer), and the TL-S of course lacks the awd capability. The MDX is nice but lacks gas mileage, is hard to get and lacks the feel of driving a car, and is a bit heavy.

hunter001 · March 2001

A longer powertrain warranty is a very good marketing exercise....basically the only thing in cars like Acura/Lexus etc that probably may outlast the rest of the car (assuming the car is serviced and taken care of), is the powertrain. Modern cars have a lot of expensive components (other than the powertrain components) that can fail and bleed the owner dry.....in the Passat's case, that warranty does not extend beyond 24000 miles or 2years whichever is earlier - this POS warranty is BELOW THE INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE.

Also, the 10yr/100,000 mile powertrain warranty is only applicable to the ORIGINAL OWNER. Once the car is sold, the 10yr/100K powertrain warranty is no more applicable. Also, if you read the fine print, you will find that quite a few of the powertrain components that can fail, ARE NOT COVERED (exclusions from the warranty).

My ideal car (given limited monetary resources) would be the TL-s fitted out with the VTM-4 AWD system adopted from the MDX, and having a limited-slip differential, in wagon form (with the Navigation system). An AWD TL-s Sportwagon, would definitely have a good market.....especially if priced at around 35K.

Later...AH

itsmeagain · March 2001

Wow, how did you end up with a 280hp 1995 5sp Maxima? That must be one quick car!!!

svec7186,

Same platform, both built in Ohio. One has more power and more luxurious amenities. But YES they are basically the same. IMHO.

lfuron · March 2001

It has a Stillen (Steve Millen) Vortech supercharger. Motor Trend tested Millen's car with this setup and got 0-60 in 5.9 sec. I ran a dyno test at Millen's shop and got over 235HP at the front wheels. All HP ratings you see from manufactures are at the flywheel. You can add 15-20% to the wheel numbers to account for the drive train losses. I've been running this setup for over 20K miles and it does haul. No problem with any stock sedan so far - including BMW 3's. Not M series

wood190 · March 2001

Of course the BMW 323i handles better than the TL, don't forget the 323 is a small compact car!

razteo · March 2001

BMW 5 series vs. TL ia an UNFAIR comparision. Only at the price, but I'm not sure. I agree 100% with DCWONG1. (and he was refering to 3 series!)
If you going to drive any 2001 5 series, you will feel what I'm sayng. Is no comparasion...

Once again, TL is a great car, for the price, power, options.

phkck · March 2001

I know the 2002 Type-S are on the lots, looks like the 2001 TL's are starting to stack up. I am hoping by the end of summer to get into a TL at invoice.

tgif888 · March 2001

In S. California. Dealer already sold the 01 at $500 over invoice. If you wait until summer, there may not be ant 01 left. Well, it depends on your location, too.

dcwong1 · March 2001

Maybe the Bimmers (3 and 5's) arent' a good comparison to the TL even though the TL is billed as a sports sedan. Afterall, the price is several thousand dollars higher than the TL or TL-S. However, you can't beat the inline-6 (any model) in smoothness versus any V6 in the world.

A better comparison would be the TL against the I30 or I30T. They're both luxurious and compete in the near-luxury entry level sports sedans. Hands down winner would be the TL. The I30 is essentially a fancier Maxima with a softer suspension and 5 more horsepower, which you won't feel anyway. The BIG drawback is the I30's rear axle-beam suspension. Nissan went cheap to save a couple of pennies. They bill the Maxima and the I30 as sports cars but give me the TL with the multi-link suspension and it will drive circles around the I30, not sure about the Maxima SE though.

To lfuron: Does your Stillen have the independent or beam-axle suspension?

hunter001 · March 2001

I see a lot of fellows making blanket statements like "BMW handles better than the TL" etc...

Basically, the way the statement ought to be worded is:

"RWD BMW 325/330/530 handles better than the Acura TL in bone dry weather, while the TL/TL-s outhandles the BMW cars in anything other than bone-dry conditions"...the exceptions would be the All-wheel-drive BMWs.....anyone who has driven a rear-wheel-drive car in the snow or rain or slippery conditions, I am sure would agree about the cars being extremely squirelly and un-predictable in less-than-perfect weather...even with the presence of crutches like Stability Control systems like DSC, VSC, VSA or whatever, that covers up the shortcomings of the RWD car....

Later....AH

r3fico · March 2001

How many of you TL owners have experienced this problem: when I shift from D to R on my 2002 TL there is a mild clanking noise. Not too loud but defintely audible. No problem when I shift from P to R, or P to D however.

The service manager at the Acura shop claims this sound is normal. However I can't help think there is something wrong here.

Have any other '00, '01, or '02 owners experienced this?

ynick79y · March 2001

is there a acura resedsign for 2003 or 2004, also any1 hear nosies when u shift from Drive to reverse on a 2002 acura tl.

tgif888 · March 2001

No noise here- Acura 2002 TL Type-S. The TL just get a face lift on the 2002. I don't think it will have a re-design in the 2003 or 2004. Well, no one know what Acura will do. The Integra design had been used for 8-9 years.

dcwong1 · March 2001

I've probably driven the majority of the Acuras from the Integra, Legend, to the TL - Haven't tried the Vigor, NSX, or MDX. The FWD vs modern RWD debate will probably last forever on which one handles better in rain / snow. Actually, the FWD Acuras, IMO, didn't handle as well as I thought it would. Maybe it had something to do with the tires (All Season Performance), but the RWD BMWs without AWD actually handled better in snow with the All Season tires than the Acuras I have driven. It even surprised me. With FWD, you have the front wheels having to handle steering, braking, and pulling the car. With RWD, the front wheels only have to deal with steering and braking. I get a better feel of the road with RWD than with FWD.

What will the marketing people do when the RL becomes RWD in its next generation? Look at all the luxury makes - Lexus, Infiniti, Benz, Audi (with Quattro), and BMW. Their top performing cars have RWD and they all tout the safety, road handling, and performance of RWD. Acura and Caddy are joining in the fray in converting their top of the line cars to RWD because of all the current tech like VSA, DSC, and ESP make handling in inclement weather possible.

Of course, it don't matter if your car is AWD, FWD, or RWD - using 4 snow tires is better than any of the three drivetrains.

mhammy84 · March 2001

Already own a 2000 TL and 2001 CL-S...both AWESOME cars. Was just curious the other day, and went and drove a Passat (the new one). The sticker said they wanted over 32K bucks for it, and I seriously thought this was a serious competitor (I never considered this vehicle when purchasing the my TL a year ago). Now I am GLAD that I never considered this car...it was so weak, and the design was not that great. When I first started the car, there was this nasty idle noise, sounded like a diesel truck, and I had to confirm whether or not this car had a diesel engine (TDI). He said no, and that was a turn-off. The shiftronic tranny was basically useless, and the car felt much like a four cylinder. What I did like was the noise the engine produced, much different from the usual japanese high-revving noises that I am so used to for years. After bringing it back, I was just surprised to see that VW actually sells these cars...the design is nice, but I dont associate luxury with the VW name, and also, the options available are not even close to the TL, other than the 4motion. But I would definately give that up for the HIDs, better OVERALL styling, and other options available on the TL. The TL just seems much larger than the Passat. Go Acura!

edmundw · April 2001

I've noticed this noice too but not only when from neutral to reverse but also from park to reverse. It wasn't so noticeable when the vehicle was new. I began noticing it after a few hundred kilometres. I'm going to ask the service people if that's normal when I bring it in for 6,000K service.

I've also noticed that the brakes are quite up to what I'd expect from a vehcile with this kind of power. The chassis has room for improvement too. Any of you guys notice this on your 2001 or earlier TL?

Like to hear your views.

stooxie · April 2001

Hi folks,

Sorry if this has been answered already, but has anyone ever received a DVD update for the nav system? I've only had my '00 TL for 6 months, but I somehow doubt I'll just magically receive free updates every now and again. The database is very thorough, but is only current through about 1997-8.

Anyone know how that's supposed to work?

As a note, I think the nav system is just great, despite many peoples' dismissal. I travel a lot for my job and I use it all the time, with great success.

dpr5 · April 2001

Opinions seem pretty strong... I think they are both great cars. I test drove both last week. The TLS is certainly more powerful than either of the Passat engines. Styling is normally somewhat subjective. The Acura shows its Honda heritage which is not a bad thing. The Passat is more European. The Acura on the inside is more 'Techno' but as all Hondas/Acuras the ergonmics are top notch. The Passat is more metro, but pleasing and to my view quite comfortable. Even though the Acura is bigger, I found the rear seat in the Passat had more room and the trunk in the Passat is also bigger. While both cars handle very well, I give a very slight edge to the Passat.

I would actually prefer the Acura if it came with a 5 speed and a folding rear seat. I just can not seem to get myself to purchase an automatic. The tip or manual/automatic action just leaves me cold. Its personal preference. I am making my choice and ordering this week.

By the way the Acura brochure beats the Passat brochure hands down. :-)

Dave

tgif888 · April 2001

go to www.acura.com I think you can buy the update online. When I bought my Type S, the sale said the Nav. is going to update it itself everytime when I turn it on. I don't know is it true or not?

sranger941 · April 2001

To update the DVD Navigatyion you can order an update thrrough the Acura website at www.acura.com
Updates cost about $150 and consist of a new DVD that replaces the current disk that is now in the navigation system (in the trunk). Replacement is easy, turn on ignition, open door on Nav system, remove DVD disc and replace with new disc, turn off ignition and then turn on ignition and new disc will be recognized.

hunter001 · April 2001

You are the first person who I find is saying that RWD handles better than FWD in the snow/rain.... WOW !!! Do you have any clue of what you are claiming ?!! Have you any understanding of something called the "Laws of Physics" ? To clarify, the BMWs are extremely un-predictable and miserable in snow...slippery/wet conditions also merit a lot of care while driving a RWD car.... there is no rocket science in it... and to claim otherwise, is laughable.... Systems like "DSC" "VSC" "VSA" etc., help in reducing the miserable effects that a RWD car exhibits in non-bone-dry-weather, but still cannot replace the traction offered by a FWD or an AWD vehicle. Snow tires will certainly help a RWD vehicle, but a FWD vehicle fitted with snow tires will still out-handle the RWD vehicle (with snow tires) in snow.

Incidentally, the top of the line Acura - the aircraft aluminium alloy bodied, mid-engined, HAND-BUILT NSX ($88,000)is a Rear-wheel-drive vehicle....but please don't try to drive it in snow....

Take care...

Later...AH

scholl · April 2001

After a year of dreaming and a number of test drives - this average six-footer could never find a comfortable position in the cramped TL . 38.2" headroom -ridiculous! I challenge anyone to find a comparable sedan that has less headroom. I've looked at a number of specs on Edmund's site and haven't found it. What's up with this trend - do designers think we're a shrinking species? I loved this car but didn't need my head 1 inch from the top - and believe me I'm an average proportioned dude.I'm completely in a quandry as to what car to look at now. Lexus is too expensive and I can't stomach the thought of a third accord in a row - perhaps a two year old GS300. It was like I've been teased with the perfect car with the exception of one flaw .My 94 accord has plenty of headroom. This is the first time I actually wish I was shorter. Have fun!

hunter001 · April 2001

I am 6'1" tall and have about an inch and a half to 2 inches of headroom to spare.... some days back, a pal of mine from Germany had travelled with me in the car... he is 6'4" tall.... no problems with the head room even though it was on the borderline.... basically what it comes down to is whether you have longer limbs or a longer torso... I don't suppose I belong to the "shrunken species"....;-(

Later...AH

hunter001 · April 2001

Motortrend May 2001 issue:

0-60----6.28 Secs
Qtr Mile----14.72 at 97.6mph
Braking 60-0---- 127feet

Later...AH

ruski · April 2001

they had to make them so low, to beat the unbelievable 6.4 seconds that they measured on a regular TL some time ago

hunter001 · April 2001

The regular TL was at 6.7 Secs 0-60 not 6.4 Secs.... Thus the TL-s timing is about 1/2 a second quicker than the regular TL, and the quarter mile if you notice comes blazingly faster at a tremendous trap-speed - 14.7/97.6mph....the regular TL manages the same in 15.2/93.1mph....this is obviously a tribute to the engine residing under the regular 3.2TL's engine bay - the way it generates its power and the way the power reaches the ground (Transmission)....Thus the regular TL's engine is no shrinking violet - just that the TL-s engine is even better....but since they share the same transmission, the timings are not that far off each other.

All the much more expensive cars in the comparison test, were equipped with manual transmissions to keep up with the TL-s, which was equipped with its standard automatic. Only the Mercedes C320 (which was slower than the TL-s/TL) was equipped with an apples-to-apples automatic.

The main difference between the TL/TL-s however, is the handling improvements in the TL-s...not speed alone

Later...AH

badjeep1 · April 2001

I too have noticed the squeaky seat in my TL when the passenger seat is occupied. The sound is actually coming from the seat belt (the component that holds the buckle). I haven't had it fixed yet, but it is definitely the cause. If you push on it, the noise will likely stop for a few minutes.

dcwong1 · April 2001

I think arguments can be given over and over again on how FWD is better handling in inclement weather than RWD or vice versa. I know that the FWD Auras that I have driven including the TL have always squatted when accelerating, which means that the front end lifts up and the weight is transferred to the rear, lowering tire adhesion to the road. Also, it is a known fact that if you put too much power to a FWD, no matter which brand of car, you typically get torque steer. With a RWD, sure, you get spinning at the rear but you still have the front wheels to point your car in the right direction. It just that your back end might break loose. The flip side though is that typically the RWDs are on performance cars (ie. NSX, 911, Z8, Vette) and they typically wear some of the widest tires on the rear, which sure doesn't help when driving thru snow. I see that the Acuras are typically wearing low-profile tires, which doesn't help in snow or rain. You can probably handle better in snow with higher ratio tires like those on a Corolla but the handling probably suffers because the sidewalls are not that stiff and the cornering is not like a TL or any other car for that matter.

Many sides to the endless debate! Later

cjb10350 · April 2001

just got a 2002 tl (eternal blue) what a great car. leased it at curry acura in scarsdale, ny. sales guy named eddy. $27,710 plus 450 bank fee. $383 a month ($414 including tax) very nice guy and nice dealership.

ynick79y · April 2001

hey i read ur post. i am going to curry acura in scarsdale ToMORROW to try and haggle a cheaper price if i can on a type s with navi.
what u think is a good price??

cavallaro1 · April 2001

Looking to buy a 2001 TL w/o nav thinking that with the 2002's out now should get a good price. Does anyone think that 25K is probable?? Any thoughts on whats a fair price now???

sb55 · April 2001

I hope you have good luck at Curry Acura. I'm really mad at the other Acura of Bedford Hills, Northern Westchester's other Acura dealer.
5 weeks ago my wife backed my 2001 TL into a rock at the end of our driveway. She was not going fast, but the right wheel was caved and it look like only the lower suspension was broken, so I had it towed to the dealer rather than a body shop, since there was only a scratch on the bumper and I assumed they would do the work. WRONG! Apparently they farmed it out to a body shop who is doing his best to gouge the insurance company since the adjuster is going back for his FOURTH visit. Every week the car will be ready Friday, then Thursday they find another problem.
Since I took it to the dealer they should be the ones handling it, but they do not even return phone calls! They just gave me the body guy's number and told me to deal with it.
Maybe I'll use the dealer for routine maintainance again, but never anything out of the ordinary.

rickslick · April 2001

I own a 01 TL, black, and I read post from owners that said the use a different cloth or soap so that it won't show those ugly swirl marks in the paint. What's it called and is it something I can buy from any parts store??

ruski · April 2001

they are pompous morons.

One time I stopped by to see if I could test drive a TL.

The salesguy asked if I was interested in sitting down and talking about bying a TL. I sad "no, I just want to test drive it". Then he said "If you don't want to buy it, then I don't have time for this".

pat · April 2001

Pardon the interruption - I want to explain the name change of this discussion.

Since we have moved to our new platform, we no longer have the requirement to stop and restart discussions after the numbers of posts exceed a certain limit. Since this discussion can continue as long as anyone has anything to say about 3.2 TLs there is no longer a need for the "Part 5" that has been included in the discussion name. Down the road, that could confuse our newer members so I have removed it.

I've altered the name slightly of the original restyled 3.2 TL discussion in the Archives to differentiate it from this active one.

Please continue...

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lgtltd · April 2001

Did I get a good price on my non-nav 2002 TL today? $27,800, including destination and mud flaps. Dealer also offered all remaining 2001 at Invoice.

antonk · April 2001

How do you suppose the 0-60 numbers of these two cars differ in a street start (not the kind they do at Motortrend)? The fastest start for the Maxima is 7.4 sec (auto), and the TL - you guys say 6.7, Acura Canada site says 8.2.

So what do you think would win the 0-60 STREET run without any fancy techniques?

robnis · April 2001

My wife has a late model (99 Max GLE with automatic) Nissan and it is rated 0-60 at 8.1. The older Max may be a bit quicker. However, the 2002 TL is in the roughlt 6.8 sec range. I have seen a variety of times on both vehicles. If the Max were stick it would be close, but you indicate both are automatic so the TL would win.

BTW, both are great cars.

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