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More for the Canadian owners, how much were you able to negotiate off your cars? List is about C$21500 and they have a special on with free automatic and power driver's seat.
Have fun. Did you pick a color yet?
Tough choice between the Alero and L, both decent cars.
regfootball : I like the L-series, but my wife doesn't care for it much. With the Alero, we also get $1000 upgrade and an extra $750 on my Oldsmobile credit which is hard to pass up.
THe Ruby Red is also very nice. My dad insists he is getting an alero in the bright red color.
I too like the L-series, especially with the special edition packages. The downside is that the 5 speed is unavailble in the L100 special edition and they wouldn't take my 3200 GM points.
I is my understanding that GM card points can be used in Canada.
Plus, if you've ever done a price comparison on 1 year old Alero's vs. L-series, you'd see that the Alero's about $3000 cheaper for the same equipment, but most of the L's are sold by Saturn dealers, so there might be something going on there.
rdeschene : I agree, the Alero styling is better overall. The L-series is a little bigger though which would be nice. Oh well. How much of a discount did you get from your dealer? Which model do you have again?
I priced the GX also before deciding on the GL so FYI, the GX dealer list is $19343 + $934 for the automatic and $91 for the power seat. And in case the dealer doesn't mention it there is a $500 credit for the 2.2 ecotec engine(code L61). This brings the total dealer cost of a GX w/ auto, Frght, Air tax, Gas tax and Admin fee to $21316. So if you tack on the 4% markup the final cost should be no more than $22121 + tax.
If your dealer cant beat that then let me know and I can send you all the printouts I have from my dealer. If you have the extra $2000 though I would recommend the GL. For $2000 you get what I listed above in the sport package (or you could take the comfort package which includes the 6way power seat but w/o the spoiler)plus pwr windows, mirrors, keyless entry, and upgraded power steering. Well worth it in my opinion.
You also mentioned you had an Intrigue. If you bought it in or before 2000 you should have gotten an Olds Loyalty Credit good for $2000 off your next Olds purchase(or $1250 on any other GM make) I used one to get My Alero. And they let me combine it with my GM Card points too. I drove away with the car for $24000 inc. Tax
Let me know how things turn out. Good luck
The power seat and automatic seem to be thrown in for free by GM as the cash price listed is $19998 after a $1500 cash credit. I'm guessing I should be able to get the car for $21K (incl freight and air tax). On top of that I indeed have $2000 Olds credit and $1000 upgrade credit from the Cavalier.
We are going for the GX as it's a second car and we will likely be having another child in a year or two and don't want to be over extended while my wife is on mat leave. Our Intrigue has been fabulous and I am more than happy to buy one last Oldsmobile before they are gone.
Ours is a 2000 GLS. I don't believe we got any kind of discount, per se. We bought it back in August. The dealer was offering it for $16,900 Canadian, which was the lowest price we'd seen. We were also looking at a Malibu and Grand Am, but liked the Alero best, so that's what we got.
The sad thing was a few months later, I saw an ad for the same dealer offering five 2001 Aleros for about $1,000 less than what we paid for ours. Oh, well. We're happy with our car.
I financed mine through GMAC for 4 years and am paying a total of $444 in interest. Thats compared to over $4000 @8% through the bank.
As for the GX at the price I gave you it would be $22121 + $3318 tax = $25439 - $3000 discounts = $22439 @ 0.9% = $414 interest for a total cost of $22853.76
At the advertised price of $21200 + $3180 tax - $3000 discount = $21380 @ 7.5% = $3435 interest for a total cost of $24815. a difference of $1962.
As for the $1000 Cavalier upgrade, I'm not sure but it may only be available with a cash purchase so that would put your savings at only $962 if you finance it. But thats still lower than the price you quoted.
These figures are based on a 4 year loan with a lower than average bank rate (maybe you can get it lower). I hate to sound like I'm preaching but I just want you to get the best deal you can. The more ammo you have when you go to make the deal the better. Beleive me, I did a lot of number crunching before I bought my Alero. You cant beat the low financing rate!!!
Check it out..
http://www.gmcanada.com/NASApp/offersearch/OfferDetailsServlet?oid=25906&lang=en&pc=L6M2Z6&f=3&showminimal=&showOnly=
The advertised specials are hard to understand. I am going to try for $21000 freight in, though my wife now thinks we should go for a GL.
Ugg!
The cash discount is a corporate discount to try to avoid having to give out basically free loans. The dealer cost for the cars is still the same. I managed to negotiate the price to 4% above dealer cost. If you can get it lower then great, but your still saving alot over the advertised cash price.
The dealer invoice price for the advertised GX is $20992 inc. freight so I cant see the dealer only making $8. Add about $800 for the dealer + lic. & admin fee. If you can get it for $22000 + tax you've done well.
Good luck
;-)
Thanks very much though, I really appreciate it. Is that price reflective of the approx$240 price increase as of April 1?
Unfortunately we have 2 car payments and day car payments (=2 more car payments) so we really are trying to keep the money out flow to a minimum. I think it will be the GX sedan, but we shall see.
Alero re-sale will not suffer much at all. It's too close to the Grand Am to matter.
The Carcostcanada dealer price was accurate except for the $500 engine credit for the 2.2L. As for the price increase, I had no idea.
So if you have 2 car payments is this your third car? Then it makes sense to get the GX. Its still a lot of car for little $. I am actualy considering getting another one as a second car(my jetta engine just imploded). But I want a 5 speed this time. I had to get the auto for the wife. I'll probably get the GX too. I wonder if I can scam, uh, I mean ask for another $2000 Olds credit from GM? If not I might have to buy a cavalier. Ugh!
Thanx again for all the info. There is a special 5-speed special GM has on the Alero GX coupe now. Check it out at www.gmcanada.com. If you go Cavalier, get the Ecotec upgrade.
We can't really afford another payment. If i go Cavalier it will be the $11899 special. With my trade i could get it for about $6000. Not bad for a new car. Just a commuter car accross the city. About 50k a year. Otherwise I'll go used.
That base Cavalier is a real steal at $12K. Even get ABS on that, not bad!
BTW - misprint on last mes.(current GL is $23510. oops)
$11400 is a steal.
We have an appointment to test an Alero and a Malibu Saturday. $1000 upgrade applies to both so we may as well see if the Alero really is better. I've never driven a Malibu.
The VIBE was pretty nice but my wife didn't care for it. I liked mostly everything but the steering (too close to the dash) and the engine which is a bit noisy. Rates were a bit better at 3.9%, but with my wife opposing it for the most part, not going to happen.
I'm pretty sure we will get the Alero at this point. $3000 of free money and 1.4% lease is hard to resist, especially on such a nice car.
I have an 01 GLS coupe with all options except the moonroof. During the last year or so of ownership (19,000+ miles), I have only had a couple of minor problems. I had the driver side mirror replaced and although the new one vibrates less than the old one, it certainly does still get blurry around 70-80 mph. But I hate to lose the car for a day or 2 while they go and paint the new mirror, so I just put up with it.
My main concern now is I had all the windows tinted, and the power windows seem to scratch off the tint in big vertical streaks on each side of the car. I think there may also be scratches dug into the glass itself. Has anyone else with tinted or even untinted windows had this issue? I've heard of people having problems with scratched glass but I can't seem to find any posts here that describe this irritating phenomenon. Cars shouldn't have their windows scratched just because someone likes to roll them down and up. Certainly the [non-permissible content removed] cars don't do this.
In any case, these minor irritating probs aside, I do enjoy the european-style ride afforded by the sporty suspension and 16 in rolling stock. Minor quibble about the outside appearance is the large space between wheel and fender. Other than that, I do think these are beautiful cars and it's a shame GM couldn't find a marketable image for Olds, since they did make some nice cars (ie, the '75 cutlass supreme 350). I'm 26 years old, and if I make some fat cash one day I'd love to have one of those old cutlass supreme's to dust those pesky rice rockets around town.
Thanks for reading, and if anyone has any insight about the glass problem I'd love to hear about it. Happy driving and I hope your motoring is trouble-free.
#720, #728, #736, #778, #1115
Post #728 mentions a technical service bulletin on window scratches. Hope this helps!
The fuel mileage was great too. I set the cruise at 120 and I got around 8.1 L/100km. I guess you have to go through quite a break-in period before the fuel mileage goes down. I was getting horrible mileage for the last two months. It has just over 5k now. So expect the same with yours.
Alero was great. Loved the Ecotec, strong brakes, handling and the new RDS stereo. I will likely fax an offer over today or tomorrow. I didn't discuss pricing at all as I clearly knew more about the car than the sales man (he said it had drums in the back and keyless entry, nither of which is true). Better just to cut to the chase I always say.
Where abouts do you live?
So far I've been very happy with the Alero and I hope that the reliability will be there in the long run. I am not too worried about depreciation because with all the miles I'll be putting on it it doesn't matter. The intent was to save putting so much mileage on the much more expensive Jeep. Besides, my oldest son is going to start driving soon and this will be a good car to send him off to college in in a few years.
Let us know how the negotiations go. My offer still stands if you want a hardcopy of all my figures from GM to help in the negotiations.
Glad to hear that you like your GL benhum. I cant believe that you commute that far. Wow. I thought I had a long commute everyday at 150km(105miles). Unfortunately mine is in rush-hour trafic accross the city so I cant enjoy the ride as much.
Todays cars are much quicker and we will save ride and handling for another discussion.
Price was C$20886 + freight ect. and tax for a ruby red GX with auto and power seat. Pretty fair and almost what I thought I could get it for. I wanted polo green, but then my wife decided she liked the red better so I caved as I like the red just so much.
Still have to sign the papers and finalize it all. Should pick it up the end of next week as we have paid for this month's lease anyway. Looking forward to getting the car!!
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jc/99-01alero.htm
I've heard good things about Humberview. Its a little out of your way though! I work close to them and was there two weeks ago to test drive a 99 jetta for a second car but we were too far apart on the trade of my 96 jetta. Should have taken the offer because a few days later my engine blew. $3500 later and I'm rolling again. But it was nice driving the Alero for two weeks while it was down. I hate to put too many k's on it though.
Sorry to hear your Jetta died. Are you still getting the $12K Cav?
I looked at some 99-01 Aleros but I have read lots of posts about brake rotor problems and other things like that. And the 2.4L is not supposed to be very good either. Maybe thats just compared to the 2.2L though. They had a nice Black one there. But no 5 speed
Your right about black though. My Jetta is black and it always looks dirty. Even one day after washing it. And all the scratches show very easily.
The old 2.4L in the Alero is ok, but it's pretty noisy from what I remember when testing a Z24 back in 1996/97. Maybe the late models are better. Lots of power though!
Horsepower: 140hp @ 5600 rpm
Torque: 150ft-lbs. @ 4000 rpm
But while were on the subject, Anyone know how to get extra ponies from the 2.2 Ecotec? Maybe a chip or exhaust. There must be someing out there, these engines have been around for over a year now.
Good luck, and maybe post what you find and do for others?