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What have they done with the driver seat! It must be spies from Ford, or GM, or Toyota! I have a Honda Accord LX 1998 and Accord LX 2002, both have two large knobs to adjust the driver seat, in height and tilt, of cause, another lever for recline, which is PERFECT! Alas, on the new Accord, you only have one level to adjust the seat height, not the tilt. It is really not comfort that you are only able to adjust the seat height. STUPID, why would Honda mess up with the perfect design? How much could it save to use a single level? I bet for this stupidity, thousands of less Accord sales are ensured. I learned that only on EX models you get power adjustments on both height and tile.
Well, well, as a working man’s horse, no needs for anything fancy, but functionality. I would implore Honda to put the old driver seat design back immediately. You don’t have to change the things that work perfectly for thousands of years, put your energy of improvement somewhere else!
It is too long. After I parked my car inside my garage, I found the end of the car is too close to the garage door. Now I realized that the new Accord is at least 6 inches longer than my old 2002 Accord LX. Cars are getting longer and wider (not higher though, I did not chose EX model, because of the header room infringed by moon roof), it is just a bad fad to follow. There is a size limit to anything. Not all “up-sizing” is good, like the French Fry of MacDonald. The Accord of last centaury may be a little small, but the Accord 2002 is already fairly big after the fad of “up-sizing”. Consider that most people drive the Accord for commuting during the weekdays, what’s all the space for? Even during weekend, it’s a family car, which means only kids will seat on the back not adults. You simply don’t sacrifice the needs of 99% customers, just to cater the 1% who needs more roomy backseats. “Up-sizing” that’s the “motor trend” leads demise of American cars, Honda probably shall not follow too enthusiastically.
MPG. Finally! Honda is supposed to be a economy car, besides its reliability, its the gas mileage that put its foot in American market. I believe that Honda caught in the trap of another fad – performance. Yes, I like performance, but with sense. Plus, the gas price is rising again. With the MPG of V6 Accord dips below 20 miles per gallon, Honda is digging its own grave.
Honda should be a performance car with size and fuel economy constrains: 1) At least 25 miles per gallon at city driving, V6 or I4 for Honda Accord. 2) Not that long, the backseats are for kids! Now, work on these, and make it perfect.
Leave the fad of big, muscular and thirsty to the BIG THREE, or Toyota.
Otherwise, it is perfect. The Accord SE V6 is smooth, quick, and quite. The V6 version feels better than the I4 I used to have. Not only the sporty looks, but also the sporty performance (don’t carry away here, it is a family car still), the Accord SE V6 gets 17 inch wheels and four wheel disk breaks, plus ABS, VSC, and all the air bags, enough for a family car.
There are few minor issues that most of us can live with. The rear seats are not split seats, I wonder when Honda will do that. One of the interior plastic covers fell off for missing a fastener in my new Accord. Hello, quality control dude. Colors are very limited, only silver, blue, and black were available to me. Now, that’s need improvement, consider that Honda sells almost half million Honda Accord, even fifty colors are not too many.
For the 2007 model, the SE is the right choice, V6 or I4. The Accord SE V6 is otherwise a perfect car for around $20K except the driver seat, gas mileage, and the size.
The seat is adjustable for height and tilt. Very comfortable. I have the SE V6.
The width of the car is not too wide, so driving the narrow streets is not an issue. As for length, I have no problem with that so far.
-Loren
BUT!!
Honda has two available AWD systems. The tried and true VTM-4 and Sh-awd system. The cost of adding VTM-4 is probably less than Sh-awd. You'd be able to get traction to all 4 wheels when needed which is mainly the reason for AWD.
Sh-awd is a little heavier and costly and saps the off the line performance of the Acura Rl but allows the Rl to corner better than a regular FWD car.
If you had a choice, which would you pick for the next accord?
Personally, I'd go with VTM-4 as it is cheaper ($1200 more on Cr-v and $1300 more on Element) and gets the job done well. It also comes with the ability to lock the 4 wheels for an "unstuck" mode. With it, you get the same accord with about an extra 150lbs and All weather security.
-Cj
Also, there is no way Acura will share its flagship car's SH-AWD, off a $50,000 car, with a Honda that's half the price. Doesn't make any sense.
The the fusion RWD or AWD? I don't know.
But the Accord is made to be a well-handling FWD car. Making it AWD would change the character/weight balance/everything of the car
PS - dev costs to turn a solely FWD car to option-AWD would bump a high end AWD car into G35x territory
The FWD fusion has it as an option so I think honda should just put VTM-4 on other models.
The accord -Passat, Fusion/milan, and subaru have it. An AWD beats Toyota and Nissan's New models to the point.
Odyssey- AWD sienna is the only other AWD "mini" van with it now.
Tsx - Is250, 3**xi, g35x, c300, a4 quattro, and even the Mkz/milan, volvo S40/60
Tl - 5**xi, g35, (08) Cadillac Cts, E class, A6 quattro, gs350 and others
I've heard Great reviews of the AWD pilot like the long term one that couldn't get stuck in snow even without needing to lock the wheels. Heck, VTM-4 may make it a sportier drive.
Don't Throw away AWD yet as the AWD Audi RS4 beat the bmw M5 in a comparison test...
-Cj
Honda could only make money as I'm sure people wo want an AWD car may not want the bland fusion, or the hit-or-miss reliability VW-passat for $35k. They just get suvs or just give in and get the fusion.
-Cj
I also agree with Saleem that the FWD takes care of 90% of snow belt driving.
For many customers, AWD is simply a comforting feature that ensures peace of mind. For others it is a handling feature. Both are valid reasons for having additional interest in a vehicle that has AWD as an option.
Honda currently hits a huge cross-section of the population with the FWD Accord sedan, I think there is a great opportunity to clean up in the fringe interests also. Subaru would obviously be an easy target with an AWD Accord. The Accord has more space, a stronger dealer and support network and probably better MPG.
If Honda had an AWD option, a wagon option and (in 2009) the diesel option, why would anyone even look at other car-based options- the Accord would have them all covered.
Thoughts?
How is AWD safer in the snow than FWD with snow tires?
Drive (by definition) only helps when you are accelerating. For all the time you accelerate, you spend an equal amount decelerating. Most of the time you are just cruising along.
Now if you are a rally drive and need full power all the way around a corner then AWD is great to have, but if you are driving to work and and go around a corner too fast, then ABS, Stability etc will do their best to help you - it is counterintuitive to most people to give a car gas if they run into trouble around a turn.
As far as snow driving goes. I think stopping is much more important than accelerating. AWD does not help you stop, and stopping is what keeps you from rear ending the guy in front of you, or sliding through an intersection.
Obviously accelerating is cooler/sexier than braking, hence the emphasis on cars that are so fast and drive so many wheels. It is a marketing thing. All cars have 4 wheel braking so that cannot be marketed.
Stability control and traction control slow wheel spin but don't help grip other than by reducing acceleration. AWD helps grip by applying the acceleration evenly, therefore you get control and speed.
I guess by speed I should specify confident speed. I believe that acceleration, though not as important as braking, is still an important part of vehicle safety.
Additionally, being able to maneuver at speed is critical. Not all accidents are avoided by using the brakes.
I'll show you the scenario with F/AWD
With maneuvering in the rain at speed
F
Doing double duty of maneuvering and sending power. The extra weight on the front end gives it traction in rain. But because of the double duty, The car can't maneuver easily out of the way. Plus traction control and stability control is focused on keeping the car in a straight line anyways. Its possible to do but requires an advanced driver for that situation.
RWD requires an even more advanced driver as the rear of the car could slide out...
A-Front biased* for accord
The front wheels get the pressure from the speed, but power is sent to the rear wheels so the fronts could turn without pressure. The car turns and avoids the thing they were maneuvering more securely than FWD.
*Front biased means that during normal conditions, power is only applied to the front wheels unless you give it extra juice. That extra juice gets sent to the rear wheels and thus little or no torque steer (engine tugging the steering wheel).
-Cj :shades:
What a shame!
On my new Honda Pilot, the ground clearance are not even, so the car tilted to one side.
I bought Honda cars, simply because it is relatively cheap. Do you alternative to Honda Accord, anyone?
:lemon:
With the Pilot, is the suspension broken on one side? I am trying to imagine what would cause a vehicle to tilt other than busted springs.
You also have gas mileage below average for this auto - interesting.
So what is the assessment of the problem with that Honda Pilot? Assuming the air in tires is equal, what is left - suspension? One or two failed shocks, or springs? We seem to have a total puzzle here.
-Loren
We got a great car for $20K because the Gen7 technology was developed at the turn of the century. I bought the '07 because the '08 will have lots more bells & whistles, better mileage, and the base MSRP will be at least $1-2K more than the '07 SE--with no discounts and with bugs that haven't been identified yet. As you say no car is perfect, and I don't mind coming pretty darn close for $20K. I don't think that you do either!
The gas indicator shows the tank is half-empty.
However the trip computer says the oil life is
still 100%. The first tank of gas had no problem
with the trip computer. Did I miss anything here?
Loren
I got the Accord SEV6, only because it is $20K. There is a small triangle plastic panel under the dash, close to front passange's feet. Ths panel is fixed by a small clip. The clip was missing, and the panel fell under vibration.
I intend not to waste a gallon of gas to fix a $1 problme. Not economical, nor eviromental.
Also, I used to have a 98 Accord. The engine jetters when it is hot. I traded in last year for the new Pilot. It turns out the pilot is a lemon. :lemon:
Of the three Honda Accord I have and had, one with engine issue - serios, one with minor cosmetic issue, the other is fine. I will live with it.
Of the Honda Pilot I have, serios structure issue.
The record does not look promising.
Watch out when you plan to get a Honda. :mad:
Obviously you must be parked on very level ground. Inside a garage would be best.
As for the Pilot it should be pretty simple. Measure the car on both sides from the door sill. Show them if there is one side higher than the other. Measure those on the lot for sale. If it is only your car which is tilting, how could they deny there is a problem? Can't imagine such a problem. Shocks can compress and stop working. A spring is not likely to soon wear, as in becoming weak. Hummm?
Loren
Tkanks,
The Colonel
That's basically the order in which you will see the greatest improvement, meaning braces give the least improvement and tires the most.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I am thinking of taking advantage of the current incentives available for the Accord. I have a concern about the comfort of the cloth and leather seats. I had an 01 SE with cloth and the seats were horrible after a few hours on a road trip.
I know mine was the previous generation, but was looking for some real world input on the cloth and leather seats in the current model. This will be our road trip car so belive it or not it is a deal breeaker kind of thing!
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I think we'll look at both leather and cloth. Probably a 4cyl EX and a V6 SE as that's about the price range I'm interseted in.
Seats are such a subjective deal. Some body types and driving positions just fit into cars better than others.
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90 degrees is not that hot. How about 110?
Ok, it isn't 110 degrees, but I'm confident the interior has been over 110 lots of times when I've turned on the A/C. Of course, having remote controlled windows from the key-fob helps to ventilate the car a bit before I get there, lowering the temperature to at least bearable levels before I ever crank the car!
BTW, the ex has a nifty feature where you can roll down all the windows by keeping the unlock button down while you walk to the car. It may not seem like much but as soon as the windows open up that first blast of super heated air gets blown out- big difference.
I think this is available on all models, not just the EX. Can someone confirm? I know it is on my EX cloth. It is a VERY nice thing to have here in the south.
This feature debuted on the 2003 Accords. It is now available on the Odyssey (maybe others, but not Civic I know) as well. I presume the Pilot and Ridgeline would offer this, but I do not know for sure.
To the graduate: My 07 V6 SE Sedan also rolls down all the windows if you hold down the unlock button. Cool feature indeed!
I like my car thus far, but don't like the slight lag in the transmission at highways speeds. It takes a bit too long to downshift when I accelerate to move into a faster lane. Maybe I am just spoiled with my previous stick shift vehicles. Yet, I can't be the only one with this minor complaint because I have been caught flatfooted before in such situations, and it is not pleasant. The V6 does accelerate quickly once the tranny downshifts though...but it just takes too long IMHO. This is not a deal breaker, however, as I now adjust my driving style to the car.
I guess the tranny is a good compromise for you and me
Enjoy the V6, and thanks for the info about the windows on your SE!