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  • Last night I was sitting in traffic in an exit only lane. The guy behind me had been stuck behind me for several minutes also...when an old man came flying into him. The guy behind me took most of the impact...his entire trunk was smashed in. My paint is fine...but the bumper is shifted out of place. Now the alignment seems to be off. I was pissed...I went off on the old man...told him it was a 2 month old car. He wasn't from Atlanta...apparently he doesn't understand the traffic we have here. Anyhow...hopefully they will be able to fix it back to perfection.
  • vp123vp123 Posts: 4
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  • similesimile Posts: 1
    I have owned my 95 Millenia S for quite some time now. It is in wonderful condition and drives very smoothly. A few days ago, I hit 100k miles. I was wondering if any experienced car (millenia) owners can tell me what kind of servicing to get done.

    Several side notes:
    1. I am very pleased with the car overall. I get about 18-19 mpg in the city (which is low, but I expected it from a 1995 Japanese designed car, which is heavy...the 1996-2001 folks should get better mileage, because once Ford bought Mazda, it lightened the car to increase gas mileage and decrease cost).

    2. My antenna broke. The motor still made a noise so i figured I just needed a new antenna. I waited about a week and when I bought a new antenna, the motor doesn't make any noise anymore. Any suggesstions? The antenna cost $25, but a motor costs several hundred.

    3. I use Synthetic oil and get an oil change about every 7500-8000 miles as recommended by several mechanic friends. The car runs great on this plan, and I take it to a oil change specialist rather than our typically untrustworthy Mazda dealership (Auburn, AL).

    4. I wanted to get plasma/white lights for my millenia (consider it a 100k present for the car...) but can't really find ones that are trustable to last and fit the car. Can someone point me in the direction? Possibly item numbers and where to buy? Thanks.

    5. The only *major problem* my car has is some white smoke coming out from the tailpipe when I start the car. Possibly caused by a small oil leak in the supercharger...i'm not sure and most mechanics shudder at the thought of looking into a millenia. so...can anyone else offer insight?
  • marak88marak88 Posts: 57
    99 S, I also have smoke comes out of the tail pipe at start up that would last for aonly about 5-10 seconds then it disappear, this only occur if I let the car sit for a few days between start up,and specially on cold days, the smoke has a grey tint to it and it smells funny (I know its not vapor).
    My dealer is telling me that this is normal for cars with super chargers.

    Is my dealer pulling my leg or is he telling me the truth?
  • I agree with tomekk on cross rotating the tires in order to solve your problem. I had the same problem (Dunlops SP4000) with my 99 S. The dealer performed two alignments, with no improvements. One of the tires had a radial pull, which when replaced, fixed the problem. If after you rotate the tires, the pull goes away, or pulls in the other direction, you have a tire problem This will be covered under your tire warrenty. You will have to go to a tire store for the new tire. The tricky part is figuring out which tire is bad. They should be able to do this.

    As far as mileage goes, I get about 21 mpg in mixed city/hwy hard driving. It doesn't seem to matter how hard I drive it, it always comes out to about the same.

    I also had an 02 non-S rental over the holidays. What a difference in the ride and interior! Much better. I still think the 95-00 model's exterior looks better.

    Bob
  • jean7of9jean7of9 Posts: 192
    Happy New Year everyone.
    Congratulations for your first 100k miles. My 95 S just completed 77k km (48k miles) with multiple problems including a complete auto-transmission overhaul. It it difficult to guess what type of preventive maintenance you require without seeing the total maintenance log. However,If you have driven it so far without replacing the timing chain, you should consider doing so asap.
    I tried many super white beams, the ones I settled for are : Philips Vision Plus, procured from fosmo.com in UK. I installed them as replacement to the OEM bulbs on my MB E320W last winter. My MAZDA dealer replaced the MilleniaS OEM bulbs with Eurovision Xenon white which also are satisfactory.
  • 9sunset9sunset Posts: 23
    Thank you for your inputs (rbrubaker and Tomekk),
    I am taking my car for an alignment check tomorrow. Alignment was done 2 weeks ago, it's a
    lot better but still pulling to the right (if you remove
    your hands away from the steering it will start
    pulling). But sometimes I feel I couldn't drive this car straight, wonder why? ie. I will have to struggle to keep the car straight.
    Tomekk, how do you get excellent pick-up for this car, can you share with us? I will try to get them cross rotate the front tires tomorrow.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    I just talk to it with the throttle... :-)
    The transmission does seem to learn and adjusts shift point accordingly to your driving style. I drive pretty dynamically, so it learned to let the engine rev a little higher. I also think that it reacts not only to how far, but also how fast you depress the accelerator. When I step on it, I step on it quickly, and I am not afraid to rev it to 6000 RPM. It truly pulls best from 3500 rpm or so, where the torque peak is.
    One more thing: if you don't step on it quickly, it will be reluctant do drop down to first when necessary, so you can be caught flat footed.
    9sunset, experiment and try to feel the car and make the transmission do what it should. This engine does have 210bhp and 210 ft lb of torque and can really pull... I wish I could get this car with a stickshift.
    Tomek
    P.S. I have to admit, recently I've been really flooring it, just can't resist.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Jean,
    I thought Millenia S had timing belt, not chain.
    I know it should be replaced at 60K miles, but it is a non-interference engine (like the old Fiats ha ha), so you can take your chanes - the worst case you'll get stranded when the belt brakes. On the other hand I remember somebody on this forum talking about the fact that Millenias sold in CA had 90K miles interval for belt changes (because of some CA warranty-related regulation or something like that).
    Tomek
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    9sunset,
    swap the front two tires, make sure your tire pressure is even 34psi front, 32 psi back, go to a different dealer, also try an independent tire & alignment specialist. Your dealer is giving you cattle excrement. The previous sentence self-censored, I hope words "cattle" and "excrement" are not offending anybody

    My '01 S still tracks perfectly straight and has awesome pickup. The only thing I miss (except when stock in Boston traffic) is stickshift...
    Tomek
  • jean7of9jean7of9 Posts: 192
    You are right, I meant timing belt but typed chain, sorry for the typo. My dealer recommends replacing it at 50k miles, otherwise the clock starts ticking for the risk of being stranded somewhere, beyond cell phone and towing range.
    Jean
  • 9sunset9sunset Posts: 23
    Just got back from dealer, since they have done alignement 2 weeks ago, after test driving with technican he is quite certain that the pulling was cause by tire pull. He then swap front tires
    and also rotate back to front, and said it should be OK. But actually the car still pulling to right
    but to a lesser extend. Any other reason beyond
    tire pull? Strut? Spring coil? frame damage? I was surprise they did not mention that I should go to a Dunlop tire dealer to get
    them check out the tires. Are these tires suppose
    to be under warranty?
  • My tire saga.

    1. Buy new 1999 Millenia S, car pulls to the right.
    2. Dealer cross rotates tires.
    3. Car now drifts to the left.
    4. Dealer now does alignment.
    5. No improvement.
    6. Dealer does maintenance and rotates all tires.
    7. Car pulls to the right.
    8. See 4.
    9. Dealer says I ave a radial tire pull, and must go to a tire store for warranty work.
    10. Go to "Big O" tire, and they order a tire.
    11. Two weeks later, the tire comes in. They have a hard time finding the bad tire, and replace one to shut me up and get rid of me.
    12. Car drives fine.
    13. Rotate tires after 10K miles.
    14. Car pulls to the right. (now really pxxxxx off)
    15. Unrotate tires, and car rides fine.
    16. 20K miles, replace all tires, get alignment.
    17 PERFECT!

    We won't even get into the gas gauge saga.

    Bob
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Bob,
    c'mon, please, since you've mentioned it - you have to tell the story...
    Tomek

    P.S. My service manager told me that when the reserve light goes on, there are 4 gallons left. So, I am comfortable driving, say, 40 miles more... somebody earlier on this forum indicated that the last gallon (in our 18 gallon tank) is not really usable). It is always a struggle to get the last 1 gallon in.

    P.S. Be careful using masked obscenities like the one that starts with P and has a number of x-s at the end, our host, pat, pulled my message that had other name for cattle excrement (two words, starting with b and s). :-) although when you read 1999Passat review by Edmund's editor in chief, Chris Wardlaw, you have references to sucking and the part of your body you generally seat on. Strange.
  • jplymanjplyman Posts: 90
    The A/C icon is always on when ever I use the Auto climate control even when heating the car. Does anyone know if this hinders MPG or proformance?

    PS - I am really enjoying the Millenia what a car!
  • I am trying to figure that out now, I ran a few tank fills with the climate control on Auto and calculated 22 MPG in mixed driving (2001 Millenia P). I am just starting to drive with AC on economy setting to see if it makes any difference.
    It has to make some difference, in most cars without climate control obviously the AC compressor only turns on when needed to cool the car. I have heard that most cars with climate control mix hot and cold air for better control. But I do not know how much the compressor is used with outside air at less than 50 degrees F. Possibly the compressor is used at moderate ambient temperatures and it would affect mielage then but who knows?
    I will post any unusual conclusions.

    Great car!
  • If you must know, go to the Archived Maintenance and Repair topic and search for "Millenia fuel". There will be a topic called "99 Millenia fuel guage problem". There are about 45 entries to read.

    Enjoy,
    Bob
  • saxoniisaxonii Posts: 31
    Hi fellows!

    I am glad that you are enjoying your Millenias. I once was also under spell of this car and was maybe an hour away from buying it. The reasons I did not are:

    1.power: no V6 should make less than 200 hp and regular M.M. is not even close.
    2. Fuel usage: 20 MPG in city with so little power is a joke. There are cars with 50 to 80 HP more with up to 1 liter of displacement more that are getting the same numbers.
    3. Parts: Dealer only = very high prices.
    4. After market = minimal
    5. theft - since the car has not been mechanically improved/changed since its introduction in 95 many parts are the same which creates a market for second hand parts. Items like computers and other parts are expensive new and those who can only afford older Millenias will look for alternative sources.
    6. Millenia is a rater popular car with young fellows in New York where I reside. You guys know what that mean?
    7. End of the line = in couple of years the car will no longer be manufactured.
    8. technology that was developed in mid 90's is no longer competitive with what is available on the market.
    9. MAzda 626 with exactly the same engine cost couple of grand less. If one is that vain spend the extra $$$$ and get a Lexus.
    10. transmission = not the best on the market.

    I guess this is my top ten when it comes to Mazda.
    Another thing that sway me away from MM was my mechanic who owns his own very reputable business)who I know more than 10 years and is my father's friend way back when they were still young fellows in Poland. His response to MM was: "stay away to expensive to fix, and not as well put together as other Japanese cars." Btw he recomended Maxima.
    P.S. As to Millenia being in Europe, well it is being sold but good luck seeing one. It is not a very popular automobile there. I spent several weeks in Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland and did not see even one. Sorry
    Saxon II
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Now that you have come to the Millenia discussion to trash it, in order to try to justify whatever you bought instead. How about filling us in on just what it is you bought that so badly needs justified, so we can all run over to that board and give our 10 reasons for not buying one of them. That shouldn't cause any of us too much trouble.

    Thanks for your great contribution here, but I am sure there must be a place to discuss your purchase, without resorting to this method of ego building.
  • I have a 2000 Maxima SE and a 2001 Millenia P. While I absolutely love my Maxima, the Millenia is an awesome car in its own right. They are two different cars for different personalities. The Millenia has the Maxima beat hands down when it comes down to luxury, interior materials, and looks. The Max does have IMO a better V6, handles better, and a smoother auto tranny. The Millenia is a much better bargain (with all the discounts) than the Maxima. So take it from a guy that owns both...they are both great cars and we are VERY happy with our Millenia.

    Good luck,

    Speed
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Czesc, Rafal...

    Let me respond to your MM top 10:

    1.power: no V6 should make less than 200 hp and regular M.M. is not even close.
    So I bought S
    2. Fuel usage: 20 MPG in city with so little power is a joke. There are cars with 50 to 80 HP more with up to 1 liter of displacement more that are getting the same numbers.
    There is also Mercedes 230 coupe with 6 speed manual that gets 20 MPG. Remember, look at real life figures, not mfg's claims.
    3. Parts: Dealer only = very high prices.
    Not a factor for me
    4. After market = minimal
    Before market = big $$$ discount
    5. theft - since the car has not been mechanically improved/changed since its introduction in 95 many parts are the same which creates a market for second hand parts. Items like computers and other parts are expensive new and those who can only afford older Millenias will look for alternative sources.
    a) It's been improved
    b) give me a break

    6. Millenia is a rater popular car with young fellows in New York where I reside. You guys know what that mean?
    I glad I don't live where you do. In my neighbourhood the most popular wheels are Lexus GS300 and any SUV...
    7. End of the line = in couple of years the car will no longer be manufactured.
    OK, and...? BTW, I like driving off-beat car. Not a factor for me
    8. technology that was developed in mid 90's is no longer competitive with what is available on the market.
    I disagree, it's competitive. What does the newest Mercedes Benz C320 AMG use? Yes, Lysholm supercharger - pretty much same thing as in the Millenia.
    9. MAzda 626 with exactly the same engine cost couple of grand less. If one is that vain spend the extra $$$$ and get a Lexus.
    Lexus GS300? That's $40K+ compared to $26K I paid for my '01S. And when you compare 626 and Millenia, you're WAY off track.
    10. transmission = not the best on the market.
    Good enough for me

    I did test drive Maxima SE before I bough the MM, and for me it wasn't even a contest for a second. The Maxima is noisy and twitchy on the highway at speed, doesn't track straight, wonders around. Millenia tracks straight and true without any effort on my part - so after 300 miles you emerge from the Millenia relaxed, all tensed up from the Maxima. Few years ago my Stanza GXE behaved exactly same way (and quite a few dashboard bits in the Maxima are still the same as they were in this Stanza!).

    God luck with whatever you've bought. I'm glad we're in a country where we have the choice ... different strokes for different folks!
    Powodzenia,

    Tomek
  • saxoniisaxonii Posts: 31
    Czolem Tomek!

    To reply to your post:

    1. power: MM V6 S only makes 210 hp, 45 less than Maxima with no real improvement in mpg. While 10 or 20 hp difference is not much, that 45 will be noticed. Also Maxima with its aftermarket goodies can gain extra 50hp (not an option for S since it already has a supercharger).
    2. Fuel: you cannot deny that MM both regular and S are thirsty, one can only look at many posts of drivers wondering why their MM are getting 18/19 mpg in the city.
    3. Very high prices for parts - not only for big items like engine or transmission but little ones. My brother has Mazda and every little part costs him an arm and a leg. Granted I do not think you will pay 600 for a window motor (lexus 400 price for this item), it will be expensive to repair MM.
    I am sure you have heard of the 60.000 mile tune up for MM. It will set you back a couple hundred dollars . You may not keep the car that long but all those problems that I have mentioned will affect your car's price. People do not want hassle and MM is capricoius, therefore the price that people are willing to pay for a used MM are not very high.
    4. After market does not exists for MM because there is very little that can be done inexpensively to improve its power. I am not a person that has 10 grand to waste on engine and suspension mods so it is not terrible important but there are some people who like to tinker with their cars and the lack of aftermarket is just another one of shortcomings of MM.
    5. Theft - yes the car has been improved but there are many parts from the newer MM that will fit into 95 - 98 MM. Imagine that some poor fellow has just blown his supercharger. How much is a new one I am guessing 3000 to 5000 which is the amount of $$$$ this guy can save in 12 months or he can contract this part and get it for 500.
    Now where do you think the thief is going to look for a MM??? NYC where no sane person keeps his brand new car on the street??? Trust me any car can be stolen in most parts of this country. Unless you live in a gated community and park your car in garage, it can be stolen. When I was younger I was privileged to own a Corvette and it was difficult to keep it in one piece. Mind you I had 5 alarms and a garage and it still was a hassle.
    6. Living in NYC - hey it is not that bad. There is plenty to do here and the place is jumping. I guess I could move and live in some boring place where every house and every face is the same but I am too young to retire and die in Florida. Not just yet. NY is the best and has super people. I used to drive yellow taxi during my college years here and the memories I have as a result are unforgettable. Btw, if you ever take your MM down to NYC please be careful.
    7.Off beat cars - well we all like driving exotic cars, the only problem is that MM is not that "off beat" in NYC. It is also similar to 626 especially 2001 which makes it rather common.
    8. technology - no navigation system, regular transmission that have been commented negatively by many, aging design etc, etc.
    9. There are numerous post where people state that their car was mistaken for a Lexus. MM is not a Lexus and just because somebody who has problems seeing well or just celebrated his or her 70th birthday, does not mean that MM is similar to a Lexus. In my opinion it is not. it is however very similar to 626 and yes got 626 and MM share a number of components: V6 engine and transmission being two of them MM base vs. 626 V6. Check it for yourself. As for Lexus IS 300 has more power and costs around 3200 which is 6000 more than your MM S. It looks nicer, has 5 hp more without the trick of supercharger and will be produced for a while. Not too mention the quality and treatment you get from the service plus the prestige and self satisfaction of owning a Lexus. Ohh and please do not tell me that MM is much bigger. Both of us have grown up on little Fiats, Ladas, Skodas, and WVs and unless you are over 350 pounds (not likely) Lexus IS 300 will fit you just fine.
    10. Transmission - it may be good enough for you, but it is not very good at what it supposed to do. I have driven both Maximas and Millenias (base) and there is no comparison Max has a better tranny period.

    Please do not get me wrong MM base or S is a very good car that will last 100 maybe even 200 thousand miles but there are better cars on the road in my opinion. Yes for 22000 to 26 for S you do get a lot for the $$$$ but I would prefer Acura TTL, Nissan Maxima, and probably Honda Accord 2003 V6. Be that as it may, Mazda Millenia is a good solid car that is better build than American cars and most European ones.

    Powodzenia
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Not to prolong this, but . . . to each his own.

    I made my choice and I'm pretty happy with it. I intensly disliked the Maxima, and the IS300 WAS too small for me (I'm 188 cm tall).

    You're making 2 basic mistakes: talking about Millenia S as if it were the base model; and you seem to think it's the same platform as 626. It's not.

    Gas mileage: I also had Passat GLX VR6 - stickshift - I'd get 23-25 mpg. It had 172HP. So, with 210HP and auto I still think 20MPG (12l/100km) is OK.

    Parts prices: just before I got rid of my Stanza, it needed $800 investment in exhaust (at 72000 miles) - a piece of steel pipe was $500 alone. I wouldn't expect anyting else for a Maxima.

    Passat GLX VR6 - even if nothing broke, every visit" to the dealer was 200 - 350 or so.

    Design: I do think Millenia is one of the best looking cars on the street. That's my opinion, though. And you know who had thought it was a Lexus? My co-worker from Switzerland (yes, an European), who is 38 years old. He called the car beatiful, and literally interrogated me about for half an hour - he liked it so much.

    Living in NYC: well, again, different strokes for different folks. I have 2 boys - I'd never want them to grow up in NYC. Boston suburbs are perfect for me, thank you very much - and the downtown is 25 minute ride on the commuter rail away (for $7 round trip).

    Anyway, I'm enjoying my S, the 6 disc in-dash changer, 210 HP, unbelievable cornering, ...

    What do you drive, again?

    Pozdrownienia,

    Tomek
  • I love my Millenia, I don't care what you or anyone else thinks! I traded in my 1999 Base for a 2001 Millenia S. If they are such bad cars...why am I on my second Millenia?????? My car almost always gets mistaken for something else...I get Acura a lot now...b/c of the new grill...I got Lexus all the time on the old one. I love the way the car looks, feels, drives...everything. When I went to trade in my 99...I didn't even look at Acura TL, Infiniti I30, or Lexus ES300 or IS300...only other car I test drove was Mercedes C240...but I decided it was way overpriced...so I stuck with the Millenia.
  • You wrote:

    "I did test drive Maxima SE before I bough the MM, and for me it wasn't even a contest for a second. The Maxima is noisy and twitchy on the highway at speed, doesn't track straight, wonders around."

    I think you drove a Maxima that needed wheel alingment. My Max tracks straight as an arrow at high speed.
  • I can't beleive I'm responding to his stupid ego nonsense comment, but what the heck.


    Some reason why I didn't even want to test drive a Maxima:

    1. The ugliest rear design of any car (sentra is a close second)

    2. If I get one, friends/co-worker wiil be making fun of my maxima's Neon look-a-like ugly butt.

    3. Nissan designer just can't design a decent looking rear end for any of it's car; from the droopy Sentra to the droppier J30, we all know how bad the rear of Maxima looks. Even Maxima's twin the I30/I35 copied it's tail light design from Millenia's tail light.


    I don't think many Maxima owners in their right mind can say that their car has a very good looking rear end. Yes it does have a good engine, but that's about all it's got.


    Oh BTW, according to this link, Maxima is the 27th most stolen cars in the US while Millenia is not even in the top 100; why do you even have to bring up that subject

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2001/12/11/stolen-list.htm


    BTW, I can't believe you trust one old mechanic rather than thousands of Millenia owners who speaks of their own experiences about their millenia on the internet forums like this one. How do you know if he've even worked on one; DUH.


    Now go back to you Maxima forum and share your sorrow with other maxima owners and think about a way to put a car bra on your car's rear end.

  • The Maxima is an awesome car, you are a fool for judging it on styling alone. I happen to like the styling, and over 100,000 people that buy Maximas every year agree with me. I got a Millenia because the Mazda dealers are giving the car away, they can't sell it (not even at invoice). So while I think the Millenia is a great car for $22k I would have NEVER paid what Mazda wants me to pay for the car. So while we are throwing stones at these cars, lets not forget that the Maxima is getting re-designed (mainly because of the Altima) while the Millenia getting scrapped (mainly because it doesn't sell and Mazda is tired of losing money on it).

    Peace

    Speed
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Speed,

    last summer when shopping for a car, I test drove Maxima SE. In my opinion it was louder than my 95 Passat GLX, and when going straight it required constant corrections to keep it straight. The steering wheel didn't center itself fast enough / strong enough (test drive Audi TT or any Bimmer, and you'll know what I'm talking about). This behavior made me tired after a few minutes on the higway - I had to keep on working to keep the car straight. The salesman suggested it was the SE, so I took out GLE for test drive. Same thing.
    Three more things about Nissans:
    - my neighbour got rid of his Maxima SE after 6 months, because his wife didn't want to drive it - she said it had "oversensitive steering" (they have Acura RL now)
    - few years back my Nissan Stanza behaved in a very similar way (although less pronounced)
    - the new Altima in Car&Driver family sedan comparo test (finishes third) is described by some testers as "skittish" and "impossible to drive straight" (on the other hand, Canadian Driver describes it as tracking perfectly straight and very stable at speed - go figure!!! Lokks like a test drive is in order...)

    Anyway, if your Maxima is good for you and you like it - that's great. I decided to go with Millenia S..., that's all.

    Also in my case I already new the Nissan service at Quirk in Braintree, MA - it's pretty bad. The guys at Gallery One Mazda in Norwood, MA - so far only one visit - have been great. They listen and don't make you prove your innocence. When I said my brakes were pulsating when slowing down from high speeds, thay said "OK, we'll look at it" - and they acknowledged the problem and replaced disc rotors all around. At VW service it would have to be a long and bloody battle...

    Enjoy you Maxima -

    Tomek
  • jplymanjplyman Posts: 90
    If you really think about most cars are very similar in styling, options - to me it came down to which car was more comforatable and more bang for the buck. When I married my wife she had a Maxima GLE - fully loaded, low miles, great car - I had always wanted one... Well I found one major problem with the car - it was difficult to get in and out of the car - and I'm only 6'1. We sold the car and replaced it with a Mustang then eventually the Millenia, which is my car and I love it! It beats the Maxima for luxury hands down - while the Maxima does beat the Millenia sporty wise. However, there are better sport sedans out there! A co-worker of mine also bought a Maxima when I purchased my Millenia - he paid $3500 more for a similar priced car... hmmm

    Also, why would one buy the Maxima instead of the Altima now? The new Altima is the same size as the Maxima for a lot less.... Sounds to me that the Maxima will be doing a lot of changing or going away!

    The last thought on why I purchased the Millenia is that I like to be a leader - driving a car that not many others have (without the high cost of the exclusive cars) instead of following the pack with an Accord, Camary or Maxima - I still enjoy my 1988 RX7!

    Those are just my feelings!
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