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'course I would have had to post repeats anyway, as there are only so many sources of proof.
ciao, hey?
I don't think so.
This is not to say that Millenia is not a great buy, it is to some, but I think that many people go through the numbers and prefer to spend couple thousands more and get something that has better brand recognition.
I have no problem with people comparing one car to another and I think Pat misunderstood the sentiment in the forum. I think the issue is when a participant is antagonistic for the sake of being antagonistic. Bring on the facts Speed.
I was surprised two weeks ago when I had to replace original factory tires at 29,000 miles. I have faithfully rotated and balanced every 5,000 miles. No front end alignment problems - tires wore evenly, but the original Dunlops are these z-rated 17" low profiles. Thought I could get at least 35-40K out of them. I could see evidence of the steel belts!
I would probably not buy another one if they were still going to be made after 2003.
With the Miller engine, I feel it has plenty of guts to do what ever type of driving I want.
My overall satisfaction with the vehicle is 7.5 out of 10.
If he wants to continue to post on-topic messages here about what's wrong with the Millenia, then let's all agree to ignore him. After all, we don't care what he thinks so let's don't even talk to him. Looks like lots of you are doing a good job at this so far.
He will not have any fun at all if NO one responds to him.
Trust me on this and give it a try.
Pat
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Anyway, I replaced mine with a set of four Falcon Azenis ST115, same size for $490 out the door (mounting and balancing included); very good tires and at a very good price.
Anyway, about the 3 stuff you're not happy with,
1)The seats fit me perfectly, so I have no need of lumbar support; BTW< the 2001-2002 model have lumbar support.
2)Go to other dealership and have them check it
3)I almost never use the "Auto" climate control; I feel like the blower fan almost always blows too hard.
cheers
2. Yeah, in this case your satisfaction depends on the dealer...
3. I just had my AC blower bearing assembly replaced after I complained it was too noisy . . .Mazda Gallery in Norwood, MA, they didn't even dispute it nor made me prove it was wrong.
Tires - well, that's early - I'll be watching mine. My Passat's Goodyear Eagle GA lasted 45K, but they felt "greasy" in the wet, I like the Dunlops much more.
Tomek
Speed: If 15K is not an issue to you that's great... I'm allergic to spending money so it is an issue for me. Sure those cars 60% more expensive are better, nicer and so on - but they are 60% more expensive!!!
Your priorities determine your point of view - so, again, to each his own.
Peace :-)
Tomek
I don't look at things in terms of payments but in terms of out of pocket expenses - that's why 15K matters more to me than to you. I look at it this way: for 20K I can get a loaded Corolla (he he) or VW Jetta... I add 6K and I have a car comparable to the 35-40K crowd. That's what we all mean on this forum when we say Millenia is good value for the money. And at least I am not telling you NOT to buy one of those 35-40K cars... See, if you're in the 40K territory (BMW 330i) why not add another 15K and get the 540i for 55 thou - hey, you could end up with Bentley Turbo R this way!
Take it easy -
Tomek
Contrary to some sentiment posted here. I do not consider any of the other cars mentioned superior to the Millenia. They may be engineered to go faster, or quicker. They may have a Nav system, or electric rear window shade. Maybe a 4 thousand watt, 10 speaker subwoofer equipped, earsplitting sound system. To me that is a total waste of money. They are mere gimmicks. If you can't read and use a road map, you shouldn't be driving.
Quality and usability are engineered and built in. The Millenia is as "superior" as any of the other vehicles listed in the above posts. It lacks nothing the average person needs, and is a fine example of a beautifully executed car. I do not concede that any BMW or Lexus etc is "better" or "superior". They only offer outrageously priced toys and a huge dealer profit to spend your money on if you have an excess of that. Personally, I don't, and to say "Why not spend another $15000" for one of the afore mentioned cars is completely absurd.
Of course some people want to buy items that have that high name recognition. This is how companies can get people to pay $200 plus for a pair of gym shoes.
This $10 extra a day some people may look at it that they can go out and buy 2 more cups of coffee with that money as opposed to putting it in to a car payment.
Though I think we have all been on this discussions merry-go-around before.
At $30000 to $33000, the Millenia was as overpriced as a 330i, or ES300. I would never have bought one at that price. At $22000 to $25000, it is the biggest bargain in cars today. If the others would come down $8000 to $10000, they too would finally be priced where they should be in the first place. Of course the dealers would have to give up their huge houses and $80000 cars.
The 2000 does not have a lower lumbar adjustment like they added in 2001. I have just gotten used to having it on prior automobiles, and it helps on long driving trips.
I will go to another dealer and see their take on the rattle I hear in the rear end of the car. Will have to go to Albq., since there is only one dealer here in Santa Fe.
Gas mileage is about 20mpg city driving. As for quality, the first year model '95 have some problems, but the build quality gets better and better each year after that. I can't tell you about long term reliability, but I expect my 2000 Millenia S to last at least until 150,000 miles (got 44800 trouble-free miles now).
I average mileage wise about 22-24 around town and about 27 on the highway. Premium fuel with S version, I'm not sure about base model fuel requirements.
I feel that I have an auto with the long term reliability you are seeking. Initial quality is excellent. It rivals Honda Accord, in my book. I had two Accords over the years, and feel the same about the Millenia.
I feel Mazda's network of dealerships is somewhat weak. Most I have dealt with the dealership sells something else also and in that situation, I don't think a customer gets the best service. Just my opinion.
I would give the Millenia a good hard look - you get a lot of automobile for your money.
One last thing since the P shares an engine with the 626 and the discontinued ford probe GT aren't there a lot of aftermarket engine mods for it. I have seen so many modified probe GTs. They have all sorts of engine mods so there should be a slew of aftermarket for the P, now the S is a different story!
Thanks for mentioning your mileage.
Do you ever catch yourself just sitting back and looking at your Millenia from a little distance? I do all the time since I drive my wife's 2001P so seldomly, but this car has some of the nicest lines on it. Now I know this is subjective, but it is really a nice looking car. Hard to believe the basic body style has been around as long as it has.
"Do you ever catch yourself just sitting back and looking at your Millenia from a little distance?"
I've had my '01 Platinum Silver Millenia P since Sept '01. And to this day, everytime I go into my garage or see it on a parking lot when I come out of a store, I actually find myself verbalizing "Damn that thing's gorgeous". It is simply an involuntary reaction on my part.
True, styling is subjective, but the Mazda stylists hit the nail on the head when thay did the Millenia, and improved it with the '01 update. I always admired the 929, and the Millenia ouclasses it IMO.
I was running alongside a 530 BMW this morning, and thinking how mine looks better than his. When we stopped at a light, the BMW driver called his passenger's attention to my Millenia.
I have gushed all over myself previously in this thread about my car. So I'll cut it out before someone thinks I'm a paid advocate for Mazda.
Guys please dont turn this into a long debate now:).
I am going to check out the NYC auto show tomorrow,I will give those of you who cannot make it an update on the new Mazda products.
There. That is my Good Friday rant. Hope all have good weekend.
As I said, styling is subjective. There are probably even some who think the styling on all years of Millenia stink. I think they all look great except the older gold ones with gold badging. That combination just doesn't do it for me, and I don't care for gold badging on any color car of any make. Again, subjective. As long as we each like our own, that's what counts.
Anyway, Have a Great Weekend to All ! I'm gonna go home now, driving my beautiful 2000 Millenia S :-)
cheers
I don't know much about engine, I'm sure some other ppl on this forum knows more bout it.
The 2.5l V6 engine also used in cars like Mazda 626ES, Mazda MX6, and Ford Probe, but their output is only 164Hp if I'm not mistaken , while the Millenia's is 170HP.
Good Luck
I have got my questions answered on the engine type from fwatson. Thanks.
Thanks csuftitans for your help. I will have to see if the incentives will be continued after 4-1. It is too late to buy before 4-1 now(closed on Sundays).
Also, what is the RPM at exactly 70 mph?
While I agree with what you are saying, I simply told the regular salesman I wanted their absolute lowest bottom line, no add ons to the contract when it came time to close the deal, or I would not sign it. He voluntarily took that to the sales manager, and within 10 minutes, they both came into the salesman's office and offered the car to me $7000 under MSRP, and eliminated the $995 stripe and wax add on sticker. That is almost $8000 below the window sticker price of $29545. My price was $21680 for a P without the 4 seasons. I live in central Florida where it seldom gets below 40 degrees, so 4 seasons is worthless to me.
I was offered the 6 disk changer for an extra $200, but refused that. Out the door for less than $23000. Stick to your guns, and as csuftitans says. Walk away from any salesman who starts talking MSRP. Mine actually told me we both know the MSRP and dealer add on are a joke. That's the kind of salesman you want if you can find him. Good luck, you'll need it with some of the salesmen you find out there.
http://www.knightturbos.com/promaz.html
Take a $22000 P, add $5000 for one of these kits including labor to have it installed.
Now go Maxima hunting. Maybe even "vette" killing.
$27000 will blow most everything else into the weeds. The V-6 Supercharger is an easy 6 to 8 hour installation. If that isn't enough, spring for a Farrari.
Tomek
I went to the auto show on Saturday and checked out all the present and future models of all the car manufacturers.
Mazda's RX 8 was awesome,I did not get to sit in the car because they had it up on a spinning platform.
As for the Mazda 6,I came away a little disappointed,I think the inside needs improvement-looks too cheap.The interior space in my opinion is limited-I am 6'1" and I am not fat.
But overall the exterior on the 6 is very unique,the hatch back I have to say looks very nice.
Anyone else who is going to check out the show please post your opinion on the Mazda products.
audia8q took some pics of the new Mazda6 at the NY Auto Show, go to Mazda6 board to get the link.