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As to driving a Mazda and paying Lexus prices, the key is probably now more Lexus than Mazda. Incidentally, the Millenia is sold in the UK as a competitor to the Jaguar S-Type, of all things. Given that the Lexus has zero status in Europe, perhaps Lexus owners there pay Mazda key prices!
trying to program the keyless remote control and can't get there. I found the instructions in article #1929.
I can't get the car to beep once (confirmation that its ready to program the remotes after step 4). I have seen another set of instuctions that says that key needs to go to ON position and does not have step 1 altogether.
Can someone please post instructions for year 1996? I would greatly appreciate it.
Type the word remote in the search box and check the following two items.
"Search discussion body text."
"In discussion Mazda Millenia."
I got a lot of hits but the url doesn't work if I post it here.
I guess what I am trying to say is Mazda fans have a good choice right now, and just go with where you feel. If you like the comfort oriented feel of the Millenia, get your hands on one while the deals are good!
Thanks in advance!
I then took it to another Big O Tires shop in San Francisco (only because of my schedule was more convenient to do so) and they found that the alignment was fine, but the tire pressure was definitely low (funny how that wasn't checked at the previous shop).
Anyways, the first repair was just done recently on Saturday (11/16/02) and the second repair was done today (11/18/02). Needless to say after each repair the pulling to the left has lessened, BUT STILL EXISTS!
At this point, is there a reason to just take it to a Mazda Dealership and have them take a look at it--for warrantly related issues? Does it cost anything for Mazda to take a look at it, especially under the circumstances?
Any comments, suggestions, advice would definitely be appreciated.
Michael
Now to the point. Your new Millenia carries a bumper to bumper warranty on virtually everything. I believe you wasted both your time and money taking it to anybody but a Mazda dealer where it would have been worked on free of any charge, plus a free loner car while it was being cared for.
By the way, improper tracking can be just as easily due to rear wheel alignment as front wheel alignment.
Do yourself a favor and take it back to the dealer where it can be properly checked out and repaired if necessary. You will have plenty of time to pay aftermarket retailers your hard earned money after your new car warranty runs out. For the 2002 models I think that is 50000 miles.
Once the car arrived though, things were not quite as stated. There was no damage, but there was 2900 miles on it. I really wanted the car. It has every option, and is perfect. To make things right over the mystery milage, the dealer tossed in a 6 year 100,000 warranty.
Only had it a few days, but I love it. So much more for the money than anything in it's class.
Anyways, I took the car back to the Petaluma shop and what they did was switch the two front tires. And what happened---the car began pulling to the otherside. THE PROBLEM IS THE WHEEL. Well, I asked them to switch the front wheels with the rear wheels. I haven't tested it on the freeway yet (which is where I really felt the problem), but I believe it still pulls.
My question now is, any chance I can call Michelin Tires and complain saying that it is a defect? Any comments, advice, suggestions would be most appreciated.
Michael
Tomek
If asked what it will take to get you to buy today, give them your rock bottom offer. In this case about $21000 total for a MM P or about $23000 OUT THE DOOR. Don't be angry or threatening, just firm.
Before you go, get to know the dealer incentives, customer incentives, MSRP (ignore that figure), dealer invoice and all other figures concerning the car so they can't pull the wool over your eyes with a line of bs. They also have a holdback they won't tell you about. All this is available on the internet. Print it out in case you want to show it to them.
You may have to walk away from two or three salemen, but do it. Never sit and wait more than 10 minutes for a saleman to go to the SalesManager for approval. If he is gone that long walk toward the door as if to leave, he'll cut you off at the pass to keep you from leaving. That is part of their little game. You will get your deal if you just take a little time and persist. Never forget you are the customer. Salesmen can't seem to grasp that concept without being gently reminded of that fact.
Happy car shopping and enjoy your new $21000 MMP.
What do you guys think pros on cons on both cars, please try to give me some objective responses.
Thanks
Are you sure about your warranty? It should go to 3 yr/36k miles? At least that is what mine was.
Good luck,
Bob
You might be right if you want to pay too much. I've bought about 20 that way and it has worked very well.
Please take note of that from my post. I did not advocate being confrontational. Only to not allow yourself to be run over by high pressure salespeople, which includes almost all of them, and keep yourself in control of the negotiations. They are trained to take advantage of any weakness you might show, so you have to be equally prepared to resist their sales pitch. I have had to actually walk away from some very beligerant salespeople to avoid a major argument. Before buying my newest car, my '01 MM, a Nissan salesman stood between me and the door and told me "you are not going to go to another dealer and tell them our deal". I of course walked out on him and never went back. Not all salespeople will do that, but almost all will lie, or if you prefer twist the truth in order to get your signature on that contract.
I stick by my recommendation as to how to buy that new car.
When a consumer is firm, thats fine as long as they are in the know and are realistic with their offers, like you seem to be. Short deal but do-able... But reality in the car biz is this...when people don't get what they want they usually resort to hissy fits or some sort. haha
Thus your way of car buying quickly becomes confrontational.
Had it happen today. I told a person "NO thank you I will pass on your offer"...and you should have seen how hysterical they got. You would stand up and say thank you but no deal and we would part as friends...but many buyers act like a first graders when they are told NO...haha
Good Luck.
BTW, fwatson is right, aim for about $21K for Millenia P and $25 for the S model. $22 is a bit much.
Thanks..
Just looking for some balance :-)
Check out the Friday New York Post.11/22/02
Now that the mazda6 is in stock I have loaded up with additional Millenia's...In the past two weeks we have seen a big jump in Millenia sales and our sale prices have climbed quite a bit because of it. The discounts on the Millenia make the car very attractive compared to a fully loaded 6.
I don't think its a better car just a great alternative to the 6.
I was shopping around Saturday for my new ride and right now I have the following cars on my radar-Passat GLX 4-MOTION, INFINITI I35, AUDI A4 3.0, ACURA 3.2TL TYPE S and maybe the Millenia S if these choices does not satisfy.
I went to the Passat dealer first,and you guys are not going to believe what happen.I did not tell the sales person I wanted to lease,so I negotiated a really good price for the car and then I told him I think I would rather lease for that capitalized cost of the car.
He turns to me and tells me that it does not work that way, he has to use M.S.R.P for a capitalized cost to calculate the lease.At that time I was saying to myself,"does this guy sees idiot written all over me".
I thanked him for his time and walked right out.
Now,you guys tell me, is he for real or what?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Tomek
I only had troubles with my Millenia. Of course
things broke down before a well--made automobile
should. I maintained it as diligently as possible. I have a stack full of repair bills
for all the car's major component systems. Unless
Mazda has improved their quality, don't buy
their product.
David
We've had our Millenia S about 3 or 4 weeks now. About an even mix of in town & freeway miles has returned 23.5 mi/gallon. Hope things improve for ya.
Tuckerdog
I've used the touch up paint that Mazda sells but it just ends up being a big "glob" of paint on top (similar to white out correction fluid on paper). Is there a better way to apply this. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Good Luck.
Thanks
Personally, I don't think this is a Millenia replacement as these car magazines would make you beleive.I found it to be a little bit cramp in the back seat and something just seems to be missing.
Maybe if I was 21, fresh out of college I would seriously consider this car,it's a whole lot of car for the price you are paying.Again, no disrespect to all you Mazda 6 enthusiast.