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  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    Inquiring minds want to know but I'm too cheap (or too smart?) to test the discussion in the real world. Run the tank bone dry, running out of fuel and then seeing exactly how much fuel it takes? Maybe someone could run it really far down next to Empty then just let it idle at gasoline pump island until it sputters out of fuel??? Seems like one way to get the information! :)
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    The fuel pumps on BMWs do not like to be run dry. Premature failure often results.
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    Had my CPO '98 540i6 in shop yesterday for couple items.

    The airbag warning light is now off. They replaced the "sensor mat for passenger recognition" and "electronic control unit for passenger recognition". They also replaced the "idle speed control valve". Total cost for both was only the $50 CPO deductible.

    I've driven her about 7,000 miles since last oil change and still have a couple more green lights indicating till next service interval. So I asked them to change just the oil filter and top her off with the recommended synthetic oil. Cost me only $11.00.

    To ensure great tire wear and best driving experience possible, I also asked for 4-wheel alignment ($98.50) and 4-wheel computer balance ($39.50).

    And kids broke the rear cupholder ($34.15).

    All in all, pretty reasonable and not the fleecing horror story many are afraid of.
  • nycanyca Posts: 232
    Some of this "lists" don't make much sense to me. Honda Accords are always on the top stolen list, which is a big payout for an insurer. Yet, its listed as one of the least expensive cars to insure. You can't steal a BMW unless you carjack it or tow it. I think many insurers see a client with a "high end" car, and just milk them for extra $$$s.
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    I don't think anyone swipes an Accord (or CAmry, another one high on the list) for a ride. They're used for parts on used cars and will be stolen even if they're ten years old.

    The list was for new cars.
  • jim52jim52 Posts: 161
    I pick up my 2002 530 tomorrow. Just called my insurance company to get the price. I believe its cheaper (maybe the same) to insure per year than my 1993 honda accord was before I got rid of it last year.
  • ttc136ttc136 Posts: 17
    To bimmer owners, which car will be your choice when you consider to purchase your next one? go for another make or still bimmer?
  • gearmangearman Posts: 30
    While it's an interesting test of a new car to judge when the low fuel warning light comes on relative to remaining driving range, BMW-NA, and most manufacturers, recommend generally refilling the tank at around the 1/4 level during mild or warm weather if you plan to keep the car past the mechanical warranty period.

    Repeated operation of the car with the tank at very low levels, can cause the submerged electric fuel pump to operate at somewhat higher temperatures due to the fuel in the tank acting as a 'heat sink' to absorb and radiate thermal energy from the pump.

    Repeated operation of the fuel pump at higher temperatures will shorten the fuel pump life.

    In the same manner, it's advantageous to keep the fuel tank relatively full in cool damp weather if the car is not going to be used for extended periods. Over time, atmospheric moisture can condensate onto the interior surface of the fuel take, resulting in a water build up in the tank. use of a hydrosorbic fuel additive will mitigate this problem.

    Fuel system moisture can cause problems over time, and some bmw stores will debate whether the repairs are covered under the warranty.
  • bmw323isbmw323is Posts: 410
    Have a 323i now. Will buy a 330i or 530i next. Problem with the 530 is that I must have sport package, but don't want/need leather (which is required on the 530). The price difference of the cars equipped the way I would buy them is $9,000. I'm having a hard time justifying the extra money for the 530.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I have a 328i which I will be returning to the leasing company on 30-April. I am taking delivery of a new 2002 530i next Wednesday in Munich. As for what I will drive after the 5er, that is a hard call, if the new E60 looks anything like the spy photos, I may be forced by Chris Bangle to leave the BMW camp.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Even though I have a 330i I just couldn't resist jumping in. When I got the Bimmer and got rid of my other car I was expecting more insruance sticker shock. In fact I nearly fell on the floor when the insurance company mailed me an overpayment of $12.00. In New Jersey 99 Jeep GC Limited and 2002 330i - $2500 yearly premium. Just the wife and I with clean records. Very reasonable or so I thought.
  • cmr530icmr530i Posts: 278
    These are the reasons I came to own a 530 BMW:
    safety, performance, reliability and style. As long as BMW continues to uphold the highest standard to these issues, I will continue to buy BMW.
  • musafirmusafir Posts: 27
    I purchased an X5 last year, and am in the process of leasing a 530. I am taking ED. Can anyone suggest a hotel in Munich and how is the parking situation there. Thanks.
  • pen101pen101 Posts: 238
    This fuel capacity thing is just a fun theoretical discussion because I'm sure no one wants to cause premature wear to the fuel pump per gearman's warning. However, as I posted the other day, I am not proud to report that 18.825 gallons went into the tank with the computer still indicating that there was another 12 miles to empty. The owner's manual is a little confusing, but on page 173, it provides the fuel capacity on two lines. Line one at 18.5 and on line two, the reserve at 2.0 or 2.5 gallons. Therefore, my guess is that capacity is 20.5 or 21.0 gallons.

    As for riez's latest fuel fill up, going 449 miles on 18.01 gallons is 24.9 miles per gallon. I looked at my 2002MY brochure and the rated MPG for a 540-6 is 15 city, 23 highway (I am assuming your 1998 is rated the same). riez, you beat the offical highway mileage rating on the car by almost 2 mpg. And I'm sure you were not going the speed limit all the time nor were all the miles highway miles. How can this be? Does this mean I can get over 30 mpg highway on my 530 5-sp? It is rated at 30 mpg highway. I'm going to test it tomorrow using the car's consumption computer at various speeds and see what mpg's I get. All of this is just for fun, I guess. Does not matter one way or another. But just curious.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Not to answer on behalf of riez, but I don't think it is uncommon to exceed the highway EPA rating for a pure highway trip.

    I have a 1995 Maxima SE 5-speed rated at 27 mpg highway. On trips from DC to Pittsburgh and back, I generally average at least 27-28 and have gotten as high as 30.5 mpg on a tankful, setting the cruise at 70mph +/-. The car now has 124k miles and on the last pure highway trip, I got 283.2 miles out of 10.01 gallons, for 28.3 mpg.

    Relative to the 5-series, I have a business associate with a 2000 540iA sport and his brother has a 2000 M5. They went from DC to Wilmington NC last year on a golf trip and, on the trip down, got 25.5 and 24.0 mpg respectively (ratings 23, 21). They were going a steady 85-90 mph on I-95. The winner of that contest was my buddy with a 1999 Mercedes E300 Turbodiesel, who averaged over 35 mpg for the whole trip, including a bit of in town driving!

    I suspect that cars with 6-speeds, including my Honda S2000, will actually get better milage at 70-75 mph than the EPA rating, which I believe is based upon an assumed 55 mph.
  • vishnu11vishnu11 Posts: 59
    Country Inn by Carlson on Frankfurter Ring, right opposite the Niederlassung dealer and about 15 min from the Munich drop-off. I believe that the parking is 8 Euro/night, though I did not have a car to park (picked it up and dropped it off right away due to lousy weather). If you are in the mood for something more fancy, try the Bayerische Hof and the Kempinski.

    Vishnu
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    My 1999 328i has a rating of 19/27, however, on my trips to New Hampshire and West Virginia (each of which have been driven at least three times), I have averaged over 34 MPG with an average speed of something over 70mph.

    As for what the EPA does in testing, I remember reading somewhere (like 20 years ago) that the EPA calculates the highway mileage at something just above 45 MPH! What's up with that?

    Given the gearing that most cars from Germany come with, 45 MPH in top gear is seriously lugging the engine, and that cannot be good for a mileage rating.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    1. I'm hoping all of us are aware that allowing your BMW to run out of gasoline--no matter what the reason, and even if for our little research project on fuel tank size--is NOT good. My research suggestion was in jest.

    2. I'd like to think that someone somewhere can find the definitive answer to whether the stated 18.5 gallong fuel tank does or does not include the extra reserve gallons. Is almost embarrasing that we can discuss so much about our cars and yet we don't know for sure exactly how many gallon of gasoline they hold.

    3. Most of my driving is either interstate, 2-lane State Highway, or 2-lane county roads. My small town has 2 stop lights and I don't drive my 540i6 around town much except to get on a highway going out. The 540i6 is an efficient highway cruiser. Though I do try to get her into 6th gear as quickly as I can, set cruise control at 64 mph (2-lane) or 74 mph (interstate), and just enjoy the drive on business trips. She turns over about 2,100 RPMs at 74 mph.
  • What was the issue on the mid-90's 3 litre V-8? Bad block casting? Was it widespread or smaller? By 77,000 miles, would the problem be expected to have surfaced?

    Thanks, Paul, pvg6372@msn.com
  • I will be reading old posts as I am trying to decide whether I should buy/lease a new BMW, Lincoln LS or and Audi. Have a nice day.
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    needluxurycar... Hope you have really thought thru what you need. RWD? AWD? FWD? Manual transmission? Room for 4? Will help you look if you really assess what it is that you need in a car.

    Do a ton of research to learn what is out there. Look at everything from Edmunds to Consumer Reports to Intellichoice to the automotive press.

    Finally, take lots of lengthy test drives. Don't shell out a lot of money unless you get to spend sufficient time behind the wheel driving on the roads you normally do at the speeds you normally do with the loads you normally carry. How will you know if something is comfortable unless you spend some time in it? Or whether it has the right amount of engine or wind noise at interstate speeds unless you spend some time there?

    Both the 3 and 5 Series might meet your needs. Lots of choices. 525i, 530i, 540i. Automatic or manual. Sport Package or not. Lots of options to personalize it. Even more choices in 3 Series. Everything from station wagons to convertibles to coupes to super-high performance M3. If you can't find something that meets your needs and price range in 3 or 5 Series, then you might be unique. Good hunting!!!
  • pen101pen101 Posts: 238
    More trivia. While running arrands today, I clocked my fuel consumption at various speeds. Very unscientific, but gave me something mindless to do while driving to destinations. With air conditioning off and outside temperature at about 85, used cruise control to set speeds. Once at speed, reset the computer. Traveled about 5 miles on fairly flat road before checking readout. At 65 mph (61.2 on computer), got 40.2 mpg per computer. At 75 mph (70.6 on computer) got 32.6 mpg. My car is rated at 30 mpg highway. What does this prove? Nothing, except maybe that the EPA highway mileage is somewhat low at the speed limit and that riez's mpg can easily be repeated and even be exceeded.
  • Strolling back thru previous messages, I see others have the same experience of a loud auxiliary cooling fan after the recall replacement. Mine makes a distinct "whining" sound...almost like a bearing going bad.

    Has anyone had any success in getting this corrected, or is it an inherent design flaw in the replacement units. I've had the dealer look at this twice. The first time they said it was a loose belt, and the second time they could not reproduce the noise. This is my only complaint in an otherwise wonderful machine.
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    I'm partial to BMWs, but I would suggest that you also check out the Audi line. The Lincoln is a lot of car for the money, mainly because they are usually heavily discounted to move them off the lot. Build quality is a notch below the Germans, and a V6 five speed is nearly impossible to find. The V8 struggles to keep up with a 530i, nevermind a 540i. My choices would be: 1.530i Sport, 2.Audi A6 Quattro, and 3.Lincoln LS V8 Sport
  • boxsterboxster Posts: 28
    sometime I felt cosmos black looks nicer, but most of the time it looks more dirty and grayer than the jet black. what do you guys think?
    also, is metallic paint really tougher to be chipped?

    Thx
  • taylorttaylort Posts: 31
    I have 12,000 miles on my 530 with Sports Package and my tires have gotten very noisy. They are Michelin.

    First question - has anyone experience this with Michilens? I always had good experiences with Michilen, V-Rated, on my Acura legend coupe.

    And second what brand of tires have you had the best of luck with when it comes to noise level while keeping the performance feel and handle well on wet and dry roads?
  • cmr530icmr530i Posts: 278
    I have just under 12K miles on my 530 with sport pkg. and have the Michelin Primacy tires. I am not experiencing any tire noise. Does air tire pressure have anything to do with it?
  • woobahwoobah Posts: 21
    Hi, great board, I have been learning a lot, reading the posts on this forum and the 3 Series Forum. I am curious as to why more people are just not waiting for the new 5 Series car to debut. It is sure to have more advanced features, including safety features, will offer more room in the cabin, and have the latest technology.

    Furthermore, since BWM has been perfecting the car for a long time, it should not have any new model design flaws, since it really is not a new model, rather it is an improved version. These cars are not cheap, I can't see the logic in buying something now that will be dated in six months. The 2003 style will be the style for the next four to five years. The 7 Series redesign looked great, and is doing well. I am sure the new 5 series will do as well.

    Again, I am not slamming anyone with this post. I like the 2002 5 series, I just can't get past the fact that in six months it will be a dated design.
  • danielbgdanielbg Posts: 1
    I have the same question as the last post. Does anyone know anything about the 2003 redesign? How different will the care look and what new features will it have?

    I am growing out of my 1996 328ic and am interested in moving up to the 530i, but I may push off my decision for 6 months.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I am taking delivery in Munich of my new 530i this week, and one of the deciding factors on getting it now was the new E60. Contrary to early rumor, it is most likely that the new E60 5-Series will not debut until September 2003, at the Frankfurt Auto Show, as a 2004 model, which means that the E60 is at least 18 months away, if not more like 20-22 months.

    Given that I typically lease for three years, that means that I am scheduled for a replacement car during the spring of 2005, the second model year of the E60, which, by the way, is a totally new car, not an evolution of the E39. Given the technical sophistication of the E60, I would feel better about not leasing a first year E60, assuming that that is my inclination, which it is not.

    I am not even remotely a fan of the new E65 7-Series, to my eye, this car is seriously Butt Ugly, and the current round of spy photos of the new E60 5-Series takes many styling cues from the E65. As such, I am highly unlikely to ever want such a car in my garage.

    I know that many folks say that the new "Bangelized" cars will "Grow on you", but I am "Not Buying" that. I live less than a mile from BMWNA, and have seen the E65 cars running around here for over a year, and if anything, I like it less now than when I first saw it.

    So, why would I lease a new E39 in the 8th year (the 1997 model year was released in early 1996) of its (likely) 9-year production run? Simple, I really like the design, AND I really DO NOT like what I have seen of the next generation 5-Series.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
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