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1. What is the exact Philly dealer? I found 6 in the area. Is it Main Line Infiniti?
2. What were the specifics? cap cost reduction, if any? mileage per year?
Thanks.
It was a 2005 Infiniti G35x with premium package. $3500 down.
My math shows the MSRP for an '05 G35x with Premium option to be $36,590 from the Infiniti web site. With a cap reduction of $3500 off the MSRP and assuming a lease term of 36 months with a money factor of 0.002 (4.8%) - which would be a pretty good rate - the base rent would be $380.48/month I believe. The lease payment would be higher as it would include state taxes and the cost of money. With a 6% state tax rate, and a money factor of 4.8%, I calculate the lease payment to be $514.57 unless I messed up in my calculations somewhere!
If you really did get a lease rate of $350/month with only $3500 down on an '05 G35X - I'll give them a jingle (or email to internet mgr) to talk about a coupe even though I don't live in that state. I've been looking at the Volvo S60R but am leaning towards the '05 G35 coupe as our family already has a 2000 Volvo S80 T6.
The S80 drives as smoothly as it was when I bought it in Mar 2000. In fact, I just put another 1,000 highway miles on the S80 over the holiday break and remarked to my wife how well the car still drove. Mileage was around 22 mpg for the trip (not amazing, but not bad either for a fully loaded car).
I do highly recommend the extended warranty from Volvo if anyone plans on keeping an S80 beyond its factory warranty (I'd assume the same for an S60). I feel my extended warranty purchase was a good investment. The extended warranty from Volvo Irvine wasn't inexpensive at $2200 but 30,000 miles later, the extended warranty has more or less paid for itself (parts on S80s can be quite expensive).
As a result of the good support by Volvo under this extended warranty plan, I plan to keep the car until the warranty expires at its 100,000 mile point (maybe even after that)!
Then today my front passenger window wouldnt close. Its great that its the day before New Years so that I can't use the car for FOUR DAYS (hope it doesnt rain).
Is this par for the course with Volvo - lousy electronics?
Personally, the S80 has not been a problem car for me, and I've had no one area of the car I'd call problematic to answer your question about that. Just things here and there throughout the engine primarily that are pricey to get fixed. Most component failures (or parts starting to 'act up) have been covered under the extended warranty. Some bills would have set me back $1200 or more but all I had to pay was our deductible of $100 per visit for the things that failed under warranty.
Anyway - I'd expect the S60 to be less expensive to maintain compared to the S80 once it gets past the 4/50 warranty since the S60 has fewer computers onboard (as I understand the car), but that is just an educated guess.
As to the extended warranty from Volvo dealers, actually, when I got it, one *could* purchase it at any time so long as the vehicle passed a checkup by the dealer and had been properly maintained while under factory warranty (as mine was). Further, the extended warranty was most affordable *if* the vehicle was still covered under the original factory warranty (mine was as well). I purchased the extended warranty on my S80 when it had 44,000 miles on the odometer. The dealer 'checkup' from Volvo Irvine cost something like $125 or so and part of it counted toward my regular maintenance / service as I recall.
It's not a rocket but it gets the job done very nicely. I'm not sure we should drive those big SUV like a small sports car anyway.
Yes, an AWD with good winter tires is better than anything else.
The snow handling is a relative quality. I have done very well on my XC90 on stock tires through over 100 miles of heavy snow storm without chains, but still agree with guyf - snow tires will make the difference during braking and sharp turning, when my stock Michelin did not have enough grip. No traction control system (which, by the way is more sophisticated on Volvo) can provide a friction when there is none. It just manages the existing traction smarter. Snow tires definitely provide more traction to manage.
In my case, my wife's S60 FWD handles the snow much better then my XC90 on 4 seasons.
In Quebec we get our first snow late October and the last in April-May; that's a full 5 months a year driving on the white stuff.
The AWD on 4-seasons will accelerate better than the FWD on winter's but there is more to driving on snow than just accelarating! You need to turn and stop. This is where the winter tires will more than make up for the time lost accelerating from a dead stop.
This being said, I drove a Highlander Limited for a week with the OEM Goodyears and I must say they handled quite well in the snow and ice.
I would have thought an intelligent woman would choose a Volvo everytime over the overpriced crap mentioned in the Edmunds opinion article. Dont women value safety?
And they sure do. Just take a look to the average car driven by women in such upscale conservative areas as, let say, Hancock Park or Marina Del Rey in Los Angeles - Volvo, Volvo and Volvo... Tons of XC90 and S60.
And they sure do. Just take a look to the average car driven by women in such upscale conservative areas as, let say, Hancock Park or Marina Del Rey in Los Angeles - Volvo, Volvo and Volvo... Tons of XC90 and S60.
Exactly - thats why I think Edmunds has got it a bit wrong.
It seems like the cars they picked are for DRIVERS, ie picked for skid pad tests and road feel. Most women just dont care about that. They want safety, simplicity, and reliability, something the Germans are most definitely NOT.
I just could not see any of the female executives or highly paid professionals wanting the "drivers" cars. And I have many peers, friends, bosses, peers of my bosses, etc. that fit this category.
They are too busy in their lives in general, that they need relatively simple, reliable, but yet perceivably upscale looking cars.
I personally know only one women executive driving BMW 330 coupe, but she just came to this category.
And being at the Volvo S60 thread I have emphasized on Volvo.
MSRP with destination charge is just over 27.
I've seen invoice listed at around 24,700 and 25,300. Not sure which is correct.
Thoughts on this price? Seems like a good price, but not a "can't pass this up" price. I'm looking in the New York area if that makes a difference. Thanks.
First Volvo, 29 at the time, I fell in love with the style and even though I was mildly concerned with the "stodgy" Volvo image, everyone that I have run into, mostly friends of mine and acquaintances, instantly lump my car with the Germans. I did not buy the car expecting panache or curb appeal, but it seems Volvo has indeed made inroards with the S60. It has definitely made people aware of the car compared to the German manufacturers. A good thing.
Of course, it does not drive like a particluar German, the 330i. My car, even fitted with summer tires (Dunlops), still pales in comparison. However, the likelihood of myself driving this car beyond 8/10ths, is remote. But up to that point, the car has very good grip, brakes and the steering, once accustomed, is decent. The torque steer is ridiculous on my car...the demo seemed to have almost none! Then again, I think my T5 may have a "qualy spec" engine (any F1 fans?).
The suspension of the car is what makes the car. While sloppy at above 8/10ths (and scary when I had the opportunity!), I think Volvo has sacrificed winning comparison tests for the greater good. This car is simply excellent around town, on the highway and, again I must stress this, at 8/10ths...a level which is close to the edge, but not on it nor over it.
The seats, three years in, are tremendous. having back problems, this is the first car, ever, that I have not grimaced nor shifted or played with any seat settings in three years!
The only problems that this car has given is an occasionally glovebox rattle, burnt out tailight (three times, I think it is a loose wire because it goes away with a gentle tap on the lens) and a dumb fuel gauge that says that the tank is empty (20g -80L) even though I have never been able to put in morer than 17g-068L. Hate that actually. Also a poorly calibrated temp gauge and mph speedo on the trip computer.
Lastly, this car is made for Canada. In Ottawa, it is freezing and this car always starts but warms quickly and exudes refinement in -40C weather. It is for this reason that I am thinking of another.
I never get the same car twice, but this may be the first time. the 330i is still in th eback of my head, the new C320 Sport is nice and the G35 Coupe is my last contestant. If I do get another it will be an R.
Long post, but how else can you break down three years!
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
To others reading this post, if I went with the 2.5 AWD is the 4 C suspension worth paying for the option. How about the premium Stereo. In addition would it be foolish to buy the R with the geartronic, given his diminished performance vs the MT.
I agree with you Dino, that's probably why I have 2 Volvos in my driveway.
If you go to the benz site (.ca), they have nice stuff on the new 05 and the C320 sport, with those gorgeous fat tires and other exterior modifications, short throw 6 speed, looks great. My only concern is 218bhp...coming from my T5.
The reality is at $59K CAD, it is exepensive, but the residual is very strong which makes it comparable with the group of cars that I am looking at.
Hmmm... not sure how comparable it is even with strong residuals. How strong are we talking about here? Oh, wait, I just realized you said CAD. What is an S60R in CAD?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
A few times that I did have my son in the car seat, we were able to put two people on each side in the back seat with no complaints. I think anyone under 5'9" will be comfy back there. The way the rear seats are scooped out made it alright for a 5 hour trip for friends of mine.
I think that the R provides more than just a 6spd experience. You are gaining exclusivity, a top notch high performance experience that encompasses more power, much better handling, brakes and with optional leather interior and nice exterior accents, a real luxurious unique car.
Am I assuming correctly that the XC70 will be gone in favour of the R? If not, keep the R manual....hopefully she'll get over it! Another option is the T5 which has been fine tuned inside and out for '05. My T5 in the snow, and we got a tonne yesterday, coupled with DSTC and Michelin Arctic Alpins, makes AWD unnecessary.
Stiffer roll bars, shocks and 225s front, 245 rear, nice 17" wheels to boot, you get a great looking, aggressive Mercedes that prices about the same as a 330i and just a little more than a G35 which leases less well because of poorer residuals.
Sure, it never beat the Bimmer but usually beats the Volvo, but like I said earlier, those ratings are usually based on a heavy hand taking these cars to the limit and beyond. the Volvo fares poorly in tha scenario, as probably to a lesser extent the Benz, but living with a car, day in day out, many may find that cars like the S60, C320 may actually be better year round than the likes of the higher strung G35 or 330i.
The Benz residual has dropped from 64% to 56% for 3 years. That is not good and now is not a good value. If I did buy the car last month, the payment were the same as the 330i!
I've been seeing similar selling prices for S80s and E320s lately.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
If you all remember I was deciding between all 2005 model years and I am going to lease. I am looking at the S60 2.5t fwd, the G35, and now the TL w/out NAV.
The S60 I love the interior, the looks, the safety, the local dealer, and I have determined the engine is adequate. I drove it and I believe that it does fit my daily needs my only concern is the small back seats. I love the comfort of the front seat because I do have a bad back and the seats are wonderful. The lease deals on these, as of 2 weeks ago, were around $450/mo for 36 months with $900 down on a car with a $35.5k MSRP. Get it for about $32,500 since you can't use the Volvo money on the lease.
The G35 was a pure pleasure to drive. More torque and power than you would ever need. Like driving a race car around town. It was a blast to drive fast and at high speeds. My problem here is that I doubt I will really drive like that in day to day driving. My other problem is that I didn't have sufficient head room. My head grazes the roof. I am only 6'1" but I do prefer an upright seating position due to my back. Also, I still don't think the interior is up to par with the Volvo and the TL. I love the exterior. The dealer is 1 hr away. I got a 36 month lease deal at $425 month with $425 down off of an MSRP of $35k, buy it at $32k. I get VPP pricing thanks to my father.
Next was the TL. This could be the winner. I didn't expect to love this car but the interior is fantastic, the engine is wonderful, stereo is wonderful, bluetooth is a great standard feature, and the rear interior is the most spacious of the bunch. I have 2 inches over my head in this car with great seats as well. It drives with almost no torque steer in the automatic and is plenty quick. I don't love the exterior, but it is better than I thought. The dealer is 1 hr away. Pricing is in between the G and the S60 on lease quotes.
I am leaning towards the TL today with the S60 next and the G last.
Maybe one of those shops that fit alarm systems could do something?
Billy, the TL is still a fantastic value, which is why its flying off the shelves. Dont forget the Acura touch screen Nav walks all over the Infiniti and Volvo systems. If I got one, I would toss the brakes for some Brembos or Wilwoods though.
ANYWAY, what I really wanted to share was the pricing for those on the fence (I'm looking in your direction, billykrebs ). He had several '04 demo models with about 5K miles on them that he said he'll be letting go in the next couple of weeks. The one I was interested in with a sticker of over $33K he would sell for less than $25K. That's pretty tempting. In any case, I would think this is not just a special deal through this one dealer and you should be able to find a similar situation through other dealerships as well.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I would ask both dealers to give me an itemized list of what do they mean by tuning a car, and then compare it with the maintenance schedule in your manual.
Does it idle rougher than a Mack truck?
Is there enough turbo lag at low speeds to wonder if you're out of fuel?
Does the engine growl like an injured Big Foot when under load over 3k rpm?
If so, the engine is running at factory specs and no tune up is required.