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  • equalizer1equalizer1 Posts: 177
    I own an A4 2.8, but had mentioned previously on this board that when it is time to look for another car (which will be soon), if the new A4 doesn't appeal to me, (looks too much like the A6 which I don't particularly care for), I wanted to get my car ducks in a row so I have an idea of what I wanted.

    My neighbor owns an S60, and since the inception of the S80, I have loved the look of Volvo's cars. The only thing that stopped me from the S40 at the time I was looking for cars was it's size. It seemed much smaller to me than the A4, and Volvo's spotty reliability record. Consumer reports didn't help much with it's poor rating on the S80. My neighbor has had a few problems with the S60 so far, owning it only 6 months. I have not had any problems with my A4 in over two years, except the check engine light coming on, which was quickly remedied, so this remains a problem for me and Volvo.

    I went with my neighbor to Volvo this past weekend for her to pick up something, and I was very tempted to test drive the S60 and ended up doing so. My impressions compared to the A4 were like this (I am not comparing the AWD, as the S60 will have AWD as an option this fall-so Volvo says!):

    1. Great power, but definite turbo lag.

    2. Very nice interior, but not enough lumbar support. The A4's seats are slightly harder, but great for long trips. The power lumbar is remarkable. Much better support than the Volvo's.

    3. Basically no armrest. A must for me. The A4 has an extremely comfortable driving position, including a real armrest. This would be a deal breaker for me. Really need this to be comfortable in a car.

    4. No free maintenance. Every major European manufacturer, including their Swedish competition Saab, now has free maintenance for at least 3 yrs/50,000 miles, some have it for longer (like Audi). In fact, Cadillac and Lincoln have free maintenance as well. The Japanese high end car companies do not though, like Infiniti, Acura and Lexus, but generally Japanese cars are not as costly to maintain or repair as European cars. Volvo needs to get with the program. They need to stay competitive. They are doing great business now, but will lose some, like myself, if they don't have more incentives.

    With the advent of AWD on the S60, it will be a viable competitor to the A4 and 3 series. I think if Volvo gets into the free maintenance program, cleans up it's spotty reliability record, and puts on a regular armrest, I might put this at the top of my list, certainly if the new A4 turns out to be a mini A6 as the pictures suggest!

    It really was a very nice car. Also, they need to put more wood in the car, especially a wood shifter (I'm sure you can get this aftermarket), and put real wood in the S60. It looks very fake, somewhat like the stuff in our TL, ugh! I really liked the car though. Good luck to all you S60 owners. I might be one of you soon.
  • I just signed up for my new S60 2.4T with premium package and cold weather package. 39 months, 15k per year. Acquisition fee and first months payment up front, for cash out of around $950 (with the security deposit from my S70 thhat I'm returning to be refunded--hopefully--so a real cash out of about $500). Monthly payment is $450 (tax included). Got the carr from a local dealer here in the Detroit area.

    During the shopping process I test drove everything out there--Infinitis, Acuras, Nissans, Hondas, Saab,Jeep, Mercedes C230 coupe, Audi, Lexus, BMW and Cadillac (had to drive the Catera just so I could later sneer at it). If you want some sporty performance and are into super comfort, quiet, and luxury (how much do we really drive on the weekends??) the S60 2.4T can't be beat. I test drove one for about 45 minutes this morning before I signed the deal and fell in love with the car all over again. Great stereo, the best cupholders (32 oz. or 44 oz. cups from the Mobil station stand up securely), great seats, great seating position relative to all the stuff you need to access, 4 doors, etc., etc., etc.
  • I just signed up for my new S60 2.4T with premium package and cold weather package. 39 months, 15k per year. Acquisition fee and first months payment up front, for cash out of around $950 (with the security deposit from my S70 thhat I'm returning to be refunded--hopefully--so a real cash out of about $500). Monthly payment is $450 (tax included). Got the car from a local dealer here in the Detroit area.

    During the shopping process I test drove everything out there--Infinitis, Acuras, Nissans, Hondas, Saab,Jeep, Mercedes C230 coupe, Audi, Lexus, BMW and Cadillac (had to drive the Catera just so I could later sneer at it). If you want some sporty performance and are into super comfort, quiet, and luxury (how much do we really drive on the weekends??) the S60 2.4T can't be beat. I test drove one for about 45 minutes this morning before I signed the deal and fell in love with the car all over again. Great stereo, the best cupholders (32 oz. or 44 oz. cups from the Mobil station stand up securely), great seats, great seating position relative to all the stuff you need to access, 4 doors, etc., etc., etc.
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    A "stereo" post!
  • hieatthieatt Posts: 9
    jcb123: That does sound like a good deal, but not too good to be true. I know this might sound like an odd suggestion, but I was also in the market for an S60 similar to the one you are describing and actually came up with a payment right about where you are. Then I just happened to ask about a black V70 T5 (wagon) they had on the lot. The sticker was more: $40,075 with plenty of options (leather, moonroof, 17" wheels/tires, geartronic transmission, built in child booster seats, cold weather/STC package, etc.) - basically everything but audio max, the "security package" and the nav system. Nevertheless, the money factor on the 36 month lease was so low (something like .0003) that he was able to work up a payment of only $457 including tax - almost $50 less than the S60 T5 even though it was higher MSRP! We were in the market for the sedan, but with a deal like that I figured I could use the extra room. One caveat: I am a returning Volvo customer and got an extra $1,000 loyalty discount (which was only $500 on the S60). I say unless you are single, go for the wagon!
  • caruttopcaruttop Posts: 5
    Hey DDELISE:

    I have just returned from the factory - and here is what they told me (after a somewhat lengthy search for the proper information) regarding the 200W amp upgrade for S60s - when you order the amp (or have it installed) it is:
    1) located under the front passenger seat.
    2) all of the speakers are upgraded to 75W (vs. 25W on std. stereo) to handle the increased pwr.

    The sound of my car's system is great!
  • caruttopcaruttop Posts: 5
    Hey DBOMZ -

    I have just returned from Scandanavia on a 10-day trip to pick up my new S60 T5M -- it was a great experience I would STRONGLY recommend!
    Volvo flies you to Gothenberg to pick up the car, ship it back to the States FREE, and even put you up in a Gothenberg hotel for a nite - plus, the prices are much better - I saved approx. $3-5k -- best part is option packages don't really apply - there is a nice list of options available which are priced per each.
    If you have never been to Scandanavia, it is quite cool - very nice people who all speak excellent English, nice scenery, etc.
    The shipping will take approx. 6 weeks (to W. Coast anyway), but otherwise it is the same as if you bought Stateside.
    The only problem I had was the a/c did not work on my trip, so some of the days were a bit warm in the car, with nice sunny days in the 25C range (about 82F).
    GO FOR IT!!
  • ddeliseddelise Posts: 339
    Thanks for the information.

    And you got yourself the best deal in town with that upgrade. If I remember correctly, the factory direct upgrade cost $200.

    I priced the 200 Watt Amp upgrade only from the dealer, and you are talking $350 or so. The speakers add an other $400 or so. Total bill then is $750+.

    Good for you - bad for me! I am jealous!

    Damon
  • Hello all,

    There is a great new road test of the Volvo S60 2.4T at Swedespeed. You can check it out below:


    Swedespeed S60 2.4T Road Test
  • lutztlutzt Posts: 6
    We are about to place an order for OSD on an S60. We were really leaning toward the 2.4T but Volvo has a special program right now where if you order the T5 they guarantee delivery by Oct. 4 (vs. beginning of November for the 2.4T). They are also giving an extra night in Goteberg and free specialized drivers training. It sounds pretty cool and were anxious to get the car (and not too excited about traveling in the snow come November). However, is the T5 REALLY worth the extra $2400?

    We are going out today to test drive both, however I am pretty confident we'd be happy with either vehicle. We are not speed demons and I test drove a base model that I was satisfied with.

    TIA for your help!
    Tanya
  • Could someone explain this process to me? I have heard items here and there that interest me and I would like to know all about it. A link would be helpful as well.
  • I just came back from the local Volvo dealer. They are offering a floor model S60 with only 22 miles, for $299 a month, 12K miles, 48 months and $2,500 cap reduction. The MSRP is slightly over $32K, on the sticker. I am thinking of leasing it but it almost sounds too good to be true.

    What do you all think??
  • tkntkn Posts: 3
    Okay, I've been checking out the S60R on volvospy.com and the AWD version. One thing I can not figure out is will AWD be offered with every engine or just with certain ones, and if so, which ones? I would love to pick up an S60R or T5 AWD...
  • Check out this article below for more information:


    Volvo S60 2.4T AWD

  • How can I acquire a coupon for half off the 10 disc coupon? I read that someone had received this but the individual didn't say where he got it from. Does anyone know where I can get one?
  • drewsrxdrewsrx Posts: 57
    Some new spy shots and info on the S60R and V70R have just come out, check them out below at Swedespeed!


    Spy Shots, S60R & V70R AWD

  • Well, just letting you all know I love my 2001 S60. Great car with 2700 miles on it already.

    I'd highly recommend the Volvo Factory Delivery Program but be aware that they don't offer factory tours in the summer (since most of the factory is idle for workers holiday period) and that the "test track" is more of a small paved road area that really just helps familiarize you with the car, not track test it.

    The base engine with the 5-speed is sufficiently peppy and keeps up well on the Autobahn as long as you aren't trying to pull in front of S-class Mercs. The suspension is a little bouncy at high speeds (100+) but I expected as much buying the base S60 with smallish 15inch wheels and not a problem I'd encounter anywhere but here. Great for more sedate cruising though (65-100). The seats, not surprisingly, can't be beat. The HU-613 sound system is plenty good for a stock one, even if those kooky rotary dials are hard to get used to (I'm still mixing up the Source Selection and Preset dials all the time).
    One other little complaint is that the turn radius is horrible, especially for European roads and villages resulting in Austin Powers-like scenes when trying to turn about on a narrow road. Should be ok in America though.
    Best car I've ever bought and people can't believe how little I paid for such a nice car. I'm glad I passed on a Passat or 3-series (which are great cars but, of course, are ubiquitous here in Germany).

    Roll On Volvo lovers.

    Jake
  • Wow - not much action on this board - hopefully that will change.

    I am looking at several cars (I plan to lease) and would like input on the offer Volvo has made:

    I am looking at a T5 fully loaded except for the NAV. MSRP is $39,325. Offer is $37,865. $0 cap cost down (only closing fees and 1st payment = $1,648.11. 36 months at 12,000 per year. Monthly payment of $525.11. Or, 48 months at $448.15 per month. These payments are before state tax.

    Dealer claims they can't go lower on sale price as they are less than $1,000 over invoice now. Anyone know about any dealer holdbacks or dealer incentives? Is this about as good as I can expect? Current Volvo offer ends on 8/31/01.

    Thanks
  • Are you owners happy with these cars and or do you have to qualify your hapiness? I am looking at all the cars in and around the price range. Volvo certainly seems it is giving you the most for your buck but I am worried about resale, and reliability. I went for a great test drive in the T5 and it realy handles well. The sales guy let me have at it and it certainly takes corners flat and I really did not notice torque steer from the FWD. What I did notice was when I opened the glove compartment door the whole dash kind of shuttered. I pushed up with the palm of my hand on the top part of the door opening and the whole dash moved up at least 1/2". I thought maybe this was a demo fluke but I tried it on one still in the wrapper and it did the same thing. Am I missing something here? Is this designed into the dash of all the cars like maybe it is rubber mounted in the event of an accident? It really bothered me as you can tell so please explain and or maybe try this with yours if you don't know what I am talking about.
    BTW the dealer is talking $300 over invoice on a new T5 with a sticker of $38125 = my cost of $36268.
  • xmf314xmf314 Posts: 154
    Sorry your S90 is falling apart. I have a 1994 940 with 53,000 miles and it is the most reliable car I have ever owned. I haven't traded it in for a new one because it keeps going and going like the Energizer Bunny.
  • pmvipmvi Posts: 63
    I've had my T5 5speed for approx 4months now, and it would definitely still be my first choice. I have had no problems with the car (of course, you shouldn't have many problems with any new car). I haven't noticed the dash issue you mentioned, but I'll check it out.

    It's true that the rear visibility is not good--but I got used to it pretty quickly. There also isn't much legroom in the rear seat, but overall the S60 is noticeably bigger than the C-class or 3-series. I don't claim the S60 is a better car than either of the above, but I did like the styling better, and liked the fact that it is different.

    The (objective) things that really stand out in this car are:
    -the seats
    -the stereo
    -the acceleration (from a stop, there is some turbo lag, but once the RPM are past 2500--look out!)
  • Godeacs

    You noted that the repairs were high $ amounts. How much is high (in US$)?

    You are out of warranty? How many miles do you drive a year?

    Kirk
  • I thought you had an S60. What car is this?

    Also, why are you forced to pay $600 at 60K miles?

    The other items are pretty bad... but why were they charging you if it was under warranty?
  • Well, your post was entitled "S60", so that is why I thought at first you had an S60.

    I am assuming (maybe incorrectly) that the problems you have encountered with the car were during the warranty period?

    As for the $600 service -- what is requiring that you pay this? What is so urgent about the service?
  • I believe he's referring to the 60,000 mile factory recommended maintenance for the S60. That's what's going to cost $600. Most cars have factory recommended service intervals every 7,500 miles (15,000...22,500...30,000...37,500) and so forth. These are in addition to changing the oil every 3,000 miles.

    The 30, 60, and 90 thousand mile services are the most expensive ones.
  • ...doesn't seem too outrageous if it is a full tune-up, replacing wear parts, etc.

    I would think you could push that mileage point a bit also.

    Steve -- you say that the 60k is the most expensive. Why would the other intervals cost anything if they are under warranty? I'm assuming Volvo is in the same class as an M-B or Jag (service costs $0 within warranty) in this regard.
  • Can we get back on the S60 guys. Many of us are not particularly interested in older model volvos.

    My S60 T5 has been great! I got the 5 speed w/ the 17" wheels, and all the options except for cold weather and navigation. The car has a very nice ride, and the turbo power is impressive. I like the fact that it is different, and doesn't have the image of MB or BMW. As for styling, I prefer it to anything out there even close to this price/class range. I also considered the Audi A6 2.7T--which is a beautiful car (especially the interior!), but I finally admitted I liked the T5 better, and it is less expensive. The only thing I would change is to make it slightly larger--for more rear seat room.

    In general, I agree with godeacs that Volvo is not in the same class as MB or Jag---but so what? We're talking about mostly image here (I'm not talking about high-end MB or Jags--since Volvo truly doesn't have anything even close to this class). I would take my S60 over any C-Class or X-Type any day! This is not to say that it is a better car, but I definitely prefer the Volvo.
  • I guess the moderator must have just deleted a bunch of non-S60 related posts. My previous post must look a little out of context now....

    Cheers!
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    No, I haven't removed anything from this discussion in recent memory (if ever). However, it does look like a few posts from mid-August on have been deleted.

    Perhaps a poster (or more than one?) decided to remove his or her own posts - that's the only explanation I can think of.

    Pat
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  • The factory recommended maintenance which is done at 7,500 mile intervals is not under warranty. The majority of the items that are replaced or adjusted during those intervals are just normal wear and tear items, so they are not covered.

    Changing all the fluids, replacing filters, adjusting the valves, replacing brake pads...those are all wear and tear items.

    Also, I'm virtually certain that Volvo does not offer free maintenance like Mercedes does.
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