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The 2001 Camry has a $1250 customer cash rebate from today until 8/14 or you can get 3.9% financing. On the 15 to the end of the month, that drops to a $750 rebate or 4.9% financing. Financing requires pretty decent credit and is for terms up to 60 months.
Some of the small and medium cars, Camry included, are equally goood in crash tests as the bigger cars. The most important thing to note is the level of intrusion into the passenger compartment in frontol and lateral crashes.
Now with my Camry, I've gone back to the dealer for the car drifting to left. The dealer checked it three times and now they think it might be the tires calusing this, they are General brand tires. I remember reading this type of topics in the past posts, has anyone got a good solution to this or is this something that I should live with?
~alpha
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/firstdrive/46910/article.html
Yes, my General tire squeals also. It is hard to imagine factory stock tires like a family car does not show long durability. I am not sure about the validity of General tire's tread life(something like 420) as shown on side of the tire.
Let's see how much Toyota is going to (or already did) discontent the components of 2002 Camrys to cut the cost or to make more profits.
Like I said before, Camry is no longer an inexpensive appliance (car).
Oh, I hope new Camry is not as fat (over-bloated) as ES300, yikes.
I'm starting to get aggravated by all this anti-ES ness. Fine, people arent crazy about the way it looks. (I think it will look sharp in darker colors) But flying off the handle saying that "I wonder if Toyota makes the worst looking cars" is such BS. The GSs, the LS, the Matrix, the Celica, Solara, IS, Highlander, 4Runner, and from the pics, the new Camry are some of the better designs out there. Has anyone else seen the whale resemblance in Chrysler's vehicles? Or GMs lack of styling ability, save a few platforms. If you dont the way a car looks, don't by it, and move on. Its a frekin' car! We aren't talking about spouses here.
Water Pump around 85,000 - $375
Engine Mounts around 145,000 - $400 (parts under warranty for being a good customer.
Otherwise the cars runs and looks great. I have some minor issues that I have decided to live with: Front Left ABS sensor gone at 130K ($300), Dash light, Radio LED light and finally my power antenna went about 5,000 miles ago.
I keep looking at new cars but because the car won't die I get to put off buying a new for what I hope is another two years.
As for styling, I personally like the '02 ES and Camry.
P.S. my wife has a '94 Celica with 74,000 with no unusual maintenance/repairs.
Since 98 model, they have fixed that problem. I have 98 and 01 accord, they are very smooth.
Camry has always been about $1000 more than Accord, now with the incentive, it is a good time to buy a Camry.
The Civic automatics since 1996 have been pretty smooth.
I initially took the car in 5 times until it was finally fixed for drifting to the left. They tried alignment and tire rotation several times.
At approximately 5,000 hi my car stalled 3 different times and the dealer replaced the fuel pump. The dealer again was not very customer service oriented.
At about 15,000 I heard rattling from the left front tire area and reported twice and they never heard the "noise". The noise was not observed until I had a second mechanic ride with me (1st was in a hurry and concerned about his own brand new navigator being in the shop) for a different noise which was a loud knock when I reversed on a hill and switched to drive. That noise was not fixed but the rattling noise was fixed by replacing the shock absorbers. The knock was not fixed until I changed the breaks at 32,000 i. Before changing the breaks Toyota made another attempt (4th) to take care of the problem by changing the left baring.
At about 33,000 miles my right blinker was blinking fast when panel lights were on only. Toyota replaced the connector. About 300 miles later the same problem happened to the left blinker and the mechanic told me that all he did was make sure the connection was being made by "banging" the headlight. According to this mechanic several Camrys are having this problem and become loose on bumps.
I am currently at 35,000 and shopping for a new car. There is not a sedan out there that I truly like but I do not have a choice right now since my warranty is almost up. My advice is stay away from this car and Toyota's service kept. They are curtious most of the time but are patronizing and do not get the job done.
I WOULD LIKE TO LET TOYOTA KNOW THAT EVERYONE THAT HAS ASKED ME MY OPINION ABOUT THE CAMRY HAS RECIEVED AN EAR FULL OF NEGATIVE FEEDBACK. ESPECIALLY INVIDUALLS INTERESTED IN BUYING ONE! BEWARE!!!!!!
People around me tells me that I should use the same brand of gasoline... switching brands occasionally could damage my car. Is this true???
Question 2:
Is it better to use brand name Gasolines, or all gasolines are same as long they have the same Octane rating???? I have been using cheaper brand, such as Arco... I use to fill mines up with Chervon, but gas are expensive this days, especially in San Francisco @ $2 a gallon.
Appreciate if one of you could answer my question, Thanks.
I concur on Toyota service, patronizing and dubious, I have had to contact Toyota directly for answers and in a few instances those replies have contradicted the dealers and service manual.
As to brands of gas, I have not found a diff but I am sure that one exists as it certainly does for motor oil.
So far our family has/had two examples of the 4th gen (97-01) Camry, both leased. Here are the problems we encountered. Both are what I would call typically equipped "bread and butter" models. The 2000, as compared to our 97, has the remote keyless, the 6speaker AM/FM/Cass/CD and Pwr. Driver's seat package, and upgraded standard 15 wheels/tires. Both with ABS.
For the 97 LE 4cyl:
1)First 3K miles- intermittenly, manually adjusted driver's seat creaks annoyingly. continued throughout.
2)Recall Service: Brake/Shift Interlock Mechanism
3)About 25K--noticeable fast left turn signal, fixed under warranty (some type of fuse issue).
4)Throughout: Scapping undercarriage on certain driveways. (I guess this problem was allieviated in 2000 with the switch to 15inch tires, b/c we haven't noticed it with the new one??)
5) Excessive tire wear by 30k miles.
--> Car turned in at 39K and change.
For the 2000:
1) Excessive tire wear as we approach 24K miles.
Although I thought the 97 was a decent, purposeful family car, it seems that our 2000 is put together more solidly, probably owing to the age of the design in both cases. And although the General tires on our current example suck, I think the wider tread/lower profile result in less understeer, or at least they seem to.. the tires dont seem to "scrub" as much around turns.
Any info and experience with wheel/tire upgrade would be appreciated.
Does it have to do with production in Japan versus Kentucky?
-RAVvie4me
why don't you get one of those nice Hyundais or Kias! They just last forever you know. NOT. The Camry is by far one of these best sedans available in quality, safety, and reliability. Yes, the Accord is good, but not great--this is Honda's fault, not the car. They just don't have the same kind of durability as a Toyota. Toyota vehicles can last forever. It's not uncommon to see Camrys, Corollas, and many other models making it to 300,000 miles. I know someone with a 1991 Civic. It's at almost 200,000 which is good compared to American cars. However, it is falling apart. Cruise control, AC, and several engine parts have gone and are pointless to replace due to price. It also leaks oil and the condition couldn't be fixed on various occasions.
Now, I understand that just some random vehicles aren't made very well. It happens in call makes and models-even Toyota. Toyota just does a better job at limiting the number of erroneous vehicles produced than other companies. Hyundai and similar brands make the claim to price...and that stupid warranty...I doubt they will be around in 10 years. Toyota's claim has been....and will always be quality and everyone knows that. I know that many people that regularly read and respond on this board agree.
And when looking at any other car like Taurus, Lumina, Accord, etc. don't let price be the deciding factor! Example: If you can get a Camry and Taurus with pretty much the same options and features but the Taurus costs $2,000 less....go with the Camry. The materials used are of higher quality and durability. The Camry will last much longer and will need less items replaced if you plan on using the vehicle for a good amount of years. It will also have a higher resale value. If you are going to spend $20,000, you might as well go the extra mile and spend a little more for a better vehicle. That's my father's philosophy as well as mine. Hope that your rare and unfortunate experience hasn't turned you away from Toyota. They truly are good cars and any mechanic or car expert knows it.
That's a link to pictures of the 2002 Camry. The 2002s are currently in production. They are being put in a holding lot in Georgetown, KY until the launch. I'm guessing that Toyota wants to keep their best selling car a secret. When the right moment comes (hopefully soon this month or next) they will unleash the 2002 Camry and stun the world. My father who works in the plant in Georgetown has seen the Camry upclose and likes what he sees. He admits its a vast styling improvement over the current generation. The Camry will have GPS on the SE sporty model supposedly. My mom who works for Toyota in Erlanger is concerned that the new Camry will eat up Avalon sales due to its more upscale ambiance...although it will be keeping a similar price to 2001.
In 2003, if the new Accord comes out which I think it will...I'd say it will take some styling cues from the new Camry. Honda has this odd ability to predict styling of Toyotas and then release their own vehicles a year later. Look at the Accord vs. Camry, Odyssey vs. Sienna, Integra/RSX vs. Celica (2002 and past generation). I must applaud Honda though for the Civic, they just stole looks from their 2000 model and not from Toyota.
I'm still a fan of Hondas, (much less so than Toyota or Nissan, though) but you can bet your [non-permissible content removed] I'm NEVER going to buy another one USED.
~alpha
That must be the Japanese model, because I can see the steering wheel on the right, as opposed to the left for North America.
-RAVvie4me
The new Camry might look something like that picture, but it certainly is not an official photo that can be 100% relied on as being exactly what the new Camry will look like.
The October car magazines, that are going to be on the racks in about 4 weeks, are expected to have road tests with real photos of the new Camry.
With all that, I so not believe the current Camrys are built as well as mine, just dont' have faith in American workers to build it as well as the Japanese.
For the 02 Camry, I am pleased to see the 4cyl getting an increase in power. That was the only major weakness in the previous Camry I owned. And regardless of what one thinks of Toyota's new styling (ES included), it's nice to see it spicing things up a bit.
If this photo exists, then there should be more photos available with better angles and interior shots soon.
http://www.edmunds.com/media/future_telling/Camry1priddy.500.jpg
Anyway, so it basicaly looks like the photos previously seen on the Japanese mag-x site. Too bad their one interior shot of the dash was so dark and poor quality. Looks like they stuck the front end of a Solara on it, but it doesn't look bad at all. The new ES300 is a disappointent in outside styling.
I am more likely to get this than an ES300 even though it won't have all the features the Lexus has like the Mark L stereo system and real wood trim etc..
I think a fully loaded XLE V6 with navigation will be a nice alternative both the the Lexus and an Acura TL for those willing to live with only 194 HP.
I heard that the interior quality if materials for 2002 will be improved to undo some of the cheapening that was done that downgraded the quality of the 1997-2001 models to below what they were in 1992-1996.
Hopefully this will be true.
I also hope the 2002 Camry wil have a remote key fob option for the trunk release.
: )
Mackabee
You are not going to be shocked need to catch your breath and wait for its appearance to "grow on you" like the wild styling of the 2002 ES300.
I'm a lttle concerned about the what the interior looks and quality will be like, but it seems it will probably be an improvement over the 2001s, so I have high hopes in that area.
http://www.tt-cc.com/Photo/2002preview3.jpg
The Mag-x site says it is supposed to become available on September 27, but others have said it should be out later this month.
Which is true?
Thanks to Edmunds for changing the spell checker. It doesn't automatically change every word now.
Well, rather than wait for the new Altima (which we really think we should wait at least a year for, to see if any probs arise), we're going to get a used Camry for now, to replace our '86 Camry, and wait a couple of years to replace our '90 Buick with a Maxima, probably. (We're longevity-interested folk )
There's a single-owner-trade w/60K (I know, a lot, but if someone loves driving, I could see 20K a year--heck, I put 40K a year on a Tercel in grad school) that drives very nicely for the most part (seamless shifts, nice acceleration, quiet, etc. all that stuff y'all know already). But we have noticed some questionable areas that give us pause.
We're taking it to our great mechanic tomorrow morning, but I'm also hoping some of y'all can help with some specific questions we have in time for us to make our decision.
Questions: Do people think a whole bunch of leased or buy-a-new-car-every-three-years-types' '98s or even '99s (we do specifically want a *V6*, which is evidently a 1/20 chance) will come onto the market in the next month or two and we should do more comparison shopping? No earlier than a '98, 'cause of side airbags, and this is the first one we've come across. But man it's nice. We were hoping for an LE rather than spending the extra on an XLE, although we do like the 15" alloy wheels and nice wide Michelins the previous owner graced them with, and it doesn't have a sunroof but does have leather, etc. Nice configuration.
Noticing clunking over bumps--sounds like something's loose -- the suspension is better than that normally, right? I read that a frequent problem in this year/model is 'defective strut tower cushions'. Would that be it? Can we better the suspension in general?
steering wheel vibrates when braking from 40 or above. Needs something re brakes? Or is that normal??? (We haven't driven a new Camry to compare, which we should, but haven't had the time)
Gas tank entry is hooked off to the left, so can't fit the rubber gasket on evenly when pumping gas. Is that a sign of some problem event that didn't make it to carfax or can it be fixed?
Anyone had problems with the wheel lug nuts? Seems there was a recall.
I'm taking the alldata TSB list to my mechanic tomorrow (I'm sure he has it, but since he's fitting us in I thought I'd make it easy for him) with the most frequent problems, as identified at--oh, I can't remember the website, but I got a list. Any other glaring problems anyone's had with this model?
We're willing to go with buying a car with a few problems as long as we know what we're in for (and they're deducted)--if our godlike mechanic says he can fix whatever they are, then that's o.k. I mean, we bought an '86 Camry in '95...:) And from what I've heard about Toyota service departments, I'd *rather* buy out-of-warranty and have above-mentioned godlike guy fix our car than trust to Toyota's ministrations.
Thanks for any feedback/suggestions/frantic warnings you could send our way before tomorrow afternoon...the internet has helped a lot with information but hearing from actual owners of the car will be even more useful.
Best to all,
ajacat aka Carolyn
~alpha
Strut tower fix is kinda expensive, unless you can find a really nice dealer to fix it under warranty. Our 97 went in around 40K miles and they said tuff luck, but our nearest dealer is a prick. We've never fixed it and it's got around 110K miles, still rattling like crazy. Haven't had time or desire to fix them. Despise handing cash to Toyota for a design flaw.
The V6 is also due for plugs around 60K miles. Usually they will last 70K, then start messing up. Cost you a $150 or so at the dealership unless you're mechanically inclined. I've always done mine myself for $40 using Toyota plugs.