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The color on that "Hemi" wagon is called Light Seaspray Green Metallic. It shows up in this brochure for a 1981 Dodge LeBaron
And yep, you read that right...DODGE LeBaron! The last page of the brochure says "Chrysler International, S.A., which I guess would be either South Africa or South America?
I'm pretty sure that color was NOT offered in the United States. At least, not in 1981. I have a 1981 St. Regis brochure, and it doesn't show any type of green. However, the R-body was only offered for something like half of the 1981 model year, and since Chrysler was phasing them out, they probably limited color choices to save money. After all, a green exterior usually demands a green interior, so by dropping green as a choice, they would have saved some money on manufacturing those parts.
Now that I think about it, I don't think I've seen an '80-83 Cordoba/Mirada in green, either. Or an M-body (LeBaron/Diplomat/'82+ Gran Fury) after the 1980 refresh. In 1979, Chrysler offered a light teal frost metallic, as well as a dark teal frost metallic, and you could get it in a two-tone. It was somewhat common that year. According to the 1980 brochure, it was available in the Diplomat at least, but I think it fell out of favor pretty quickly. IMO it's a very tasteful combination. There used to be a '79 St. Regis in the two-tone running around locally. Coincidentally, it showed up for sale, parked on the street near my condo, a couple days after I bought my '79 5th Ave. I thought that was really odd, as it didn't "live" in my town, but the next town over, where I used to deliver pizzas. Almost as if it followed me home, to taunt me...
@benjaminh said: A 2002 Honda Accord LX auto gets a combined 23 mpg according to the epa, while a 2014 Accord cvt gets a combined 30 mpg. That saves c. $500 in gas a year, or about 5 grand in the course of a decade. Today's Honda Accord is alot faster, safer, more comfortable and quieter than the 2002. I've owned both, and so I can say from personal experience that the new car is better in almost every way than the one from 12 years ago. Part of that is competitive pressure and higher gas prices, but part of it is the encouragement from cafe.
In a similar vein, my 2012 Ram Hemi is rated 14/20, whereas my Granddad's '85 Silverado, currently dead in the driveway, is rated 12/15 by today's methodology. I remember Granddad paid about $13,500 out the door for that truck when it was new. It was pretty well equipped for a truck back then...power windows, locks, cruise, tilt, nice stereo, a/c, sliding rear window, upgraded Silverado interior, 15x8 Rally wheels, 2-tone paint, and so on. The powertrain is a 305-4bbl and THM350C transmission, which is one reason the fuel economy rating is bad. I think that was the first year they started offering a 4-speed automatic in the trucks, and I believe it was a bit better, at 13/17.
Well, my Ram was $20,751 out the door, although admittedly it was deeply discounted because it was the end of the model year. It's pretty basic by today's standards, but has just about everything the Silverado has, plus some advances like the Hemi V-8, 6-speed automatic, ABS, traction control, air bags, satellite radio, and so on. The only things the Silverado has over it, IMO, are the Rally wheels, which dress it out pretty nicely, the upgraded interior, which gives you cloth/carpeting on the door panels, although somehow, still a vinyl bench seat. Oh, and a sliding rear window, although I got the dealer to put one in as part of the deal.
If you put those numbers in an inflation calculator, Granddad's Silverado would be around $29,000 in 2012 dollars. The Ram would be around $9,000 in 1985 dollars. So in absolute terms, I think vehicles are definitely cheaper.
I think the one downside though, will be as these vehicles age. Repair costs will no doubt be higher, thanks to the added complexity. A few years back, just out of curiosity, I asked the guy at the local transmission shop how much it would cost to replace the unit in my '85 Silverado if it ever went bad. He said about $650. I shudder to think what the 6-speed automatic in my Ram would cost. Or better yet, the 8-speed they're using in the newer ones! I'm sure I could have some minor sensor fail in the Ram, and it would be $650...
@benjaminh said: andre: You have unusual taste in cars. But you knew that. A G8?! What else is on your list?
Dare I ask about lemko? I miss how he talked about his love of GM cars....
I've always kinda liked the G8...V8, RWD, large(ish). I remember the dealer I bought my Park Ave from had a couple used ones on their lot. Back then, they were running around $26-28K I think, but were V6 models, and no sunroof...but this was the 2010 model year, so they were only 1-2 years old, and only had around 25K or so miles on them. I remember the salesman saying the dealer could put a sunroof in if I wanted one of those cars.
As for what else is on my list. Not much, really. I keep gravitating back to the Charger, and to a lesser degree the 300. I also like the new Impala. But in the end, I just hope my 2000 Park Ave holds out awhile longer.
As for Lemko, he still hangs around alot in the GM threads, classic car threads, etc. And still loves his GM's! B)
@isellhondas said: Andre, that Pontiac is an "orphan". No more Pontiac dealers and that hurts value a bit.
If I were a buyer I think I would make big deal out of that.
As far as sunroofs, I've never seen an aftermarket sunroof that was "as good" as a factory one.
This is one of those dealerships that's no-haggle. Usually they give you a pretty good price on the newer cars but used models can be a bit hit or miss. Is there any way to negotiate with them on something like this, then? For instance, they're wanting $17,688 for this particular G8. Wonder what would happen if I walked in there with the checkbook from my HELOC and offered them, say, $14K?
Anyway, I've been looking around on Cars.com, and noticing how cheap you can get a used Charger R/T, so my interest in that G8 is waning. I do like it for the obscure-factor. And I'm a long-time Pontiac fan, so the orphan factor doesn't scare me off...heck, I have a LeMans, Catalina, and a DeSoto! :p I'd also probably keep it a long time, so I wouldn't worry too much about further depreciation. But, at the same time, if that orphan status hurts its value, no sense in paying too much up front!
Just out of curiosity, I spread my search out to 100 miles, and found a G8 I like better... 2009 G8 GT, blue, with sunroof...
I like the color a LOT better, and this one has a sunroof. And about $10,000 fewer miles. But I don't know if I want to go all the way to Culpeper Va to get it. Although I did go down there once to get a bumper/grille for a 1969 Bonneville...hauled that sucker about a quarter mile through the mud and muck in the wintertime, and ended up getting Mono as a reward...