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  • Re: Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

    If that "Spring Green" is what I'm thinking, I can see it being a bit polarizing. The color I'm thinking is a bit bright...something that belongs on a Camaro, Nova, or Chevelle, but not as well-suited to a big car. Now that I think about it, with the big '72 cars, the only green I can remember them in was a light, sort of sage green, and the dark "Sequoia" that my grandparents' Impala had. I don't think I've ever seen one in that bright green.

    I think shopping for cars has definitely lost its magic. Once upon a time, if one of my friends or family members was car shopping and asked me to go along, I'd jump at the chance. But, my uncle asked me a couple weeks ago to go with him to look at trucks, and my first thought was "oh, crap." But, I gave in.
  • Re: Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

    Oh, that's just the family story as I remember it and that could be what the salesperson told Dad at the dealersship. He could keep his outboard running but didn't mess with cars much.
    My paternal Granddad was the same way. Spent his whole career working for the Pennsylvania Railroad, and did a lot of maintenance and repair work. But, for some reason, that caring for railroad machinery just did not translate over to cars. My maternal Granddad was always getting after him to take better care of them, change the oil, etc.

    We were at the B&O railroad museum in Baltimore once, and I remember them having one of the coaches from the train that crashed into Union Station just before Eisenhower's inauguration. Granddad mentioned he used to work on that train. And Granddad's specialty, as I recall, was brake work. IIRC, brake failure on one of the coaches is what caused that train wreck, so hopefully that's just a coincidence!

  • Re: Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

    Yeah, initially the base slant six in the compact cars was a 170. IIRC it had 101 hp in the early years, but they bumped it to 115 in later years. The 225 had 145 hp. There was a high performance option called "Hyper-Pak" that used a hot 4-bbl and an intake manifold modeled after the Cross-Ram big blocks, and got the the 170 up to something like 148 hp. The 225 was bumped to 195 hp, I think.

    In 1970, the 170 was replaced by a 198 slant six that had 125 hp. When they went to net hp for 1972, the 198 dropped from 125 to 100. The 225 dropped from 145 to 110, but there was a 100 hp version, which I think was used in California. As emissions controls got worse and Dart/Valiant got heavier, the 198 was eventually dropped and the 225 made standard. Wikipedia says the 198's last year was 1974, but I thought it was earlier.

    When you do the gross-to-net conversion, sometimes you have to wonder how any of those old cars moved at all. 101 hp gross is probably around 80-85 net. Even worse, the initial Falcon used a 144 CID 6-cyl with only 95 gross hp, and the first Corvair only had a 140 CID flat six with 80 hp!

    I think one of the slowest compact tests of that era I read was of an early 60's Comet, which weighed a bit more than the Falcon. It had the 95 hp 144 6-cyl and a 2-speed automatic, and I think 0-60 took close to 30 seconds!
  • Re: Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

    To me buying American means spending exorbitantly more on replacement parts, tow trucks, and repair labor. Great for the company that made the shoddy vehicle (probably make more money on replacement parts than the car itself), tow truck companies, and auto repair shops, but bad for any other businesses where I'd otherwise more optimally spend that hard earned money.
    Here, maybe this will make you feel better...
  • Re: Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

    So the Ford Fusion made in Mexico is more "American" than my Accord made in Ohio?


    We'll need to agree to disagree.

    I'll admit, I was a bit disappointed when I found out my 2012 Ram was hecho en Meh-hico...

    I'll also confess to once owning a 2000 Intrepid that was made in Canada, eh. And, it's a-boot time I fessed up to my old '82 Cutlass Supreme, which was snuck across the Northern border, as well. :p

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