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2011 Ford Explorer, 2005 VW Passat, 2000 Honda Odyssey
  • Re: I spotted a NEW (insert make/model) today!

    Was behind a flashy-looking blonde lady in an equally flashy Mercedes SL550 AMG today. It was misty so the top was up, but the window was down since she was a smoker. Man, I hate to think what that cost. Pretty car too, in white. Must be nice.


    In a car like that??!!??

    Sad to think about.
    Smoking in any car or smoking in general is a bad thing IMHO.
  • Re: Buying and Selling Cars: Post Your Experiences

    Listen - I know it's a difficult situation. But they offered to take your car while you were away. Give them that chance. If it doesn't work, then move onto Lemon Law.

    According to the state of Ohio, the dealer has 3 chances to fix it:

    Does the steering completely fail or do you just lose power steering. If the former, jump and down. If the latter, you should be able to still drive it to a safe stop. If you car stalls, you shouldn't lose the power steering still it's electric.

    It seems in this area that people prefer to yell and scream first and then complain why the dealer/retailer/person is being unfair to them. I like to take the honey and sugar approach to things. It works better and I tend to get my way more often then.

    I know I am in the minority here so I think it's time to go back to lurking. Peace out.

  • Re: Buying and Selling Cars: Post Your Experiences

    Per Penske Automotive's annual report

    Sales vs Gross Profit amounts and ratio on retail vehicle sales

    New car sales 52% vs 27% .51
    Used car sales 30% vs 14% .46
    F&I 3% vs 18% 6.0
    Service & Parts 10% vs 41% 4.1
    Fleet 5% vs 0% 0

    Auto nation
    New Car Sales 57% vs 22% .39
    Used Car Sales 23% vs 12% .52
    F&I 4% vs 25% 6.25
    Service & Parts 15% vs 40% 2.67
    Other 1% vs 1% 0

    As you can see, F&I has the highest profit margins and service and parts is where the most revenue and profits are generated. Although it's only two companies, it can be extrapolated across other dealerships.
  • Re: Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

    I'm the one that wrote about VW's long product cycle. I have a B5 Passat. It was available for 1998 to 2005 - 8 model years with only a minor facelift in the 2001 model year. In today's competitive auto market, a car can't stay the same for that long.

    Honda used to follow the 2 year minor facelift, 4 year major overhaul, 8 year new car. They have now stretched that to 3 and 6.

    My understanding is that the 2016 Audi A4 B9 will be introduced in Frankfurt this September and will probably hit the US in early 2016.

    I don't recall anyone saying it's cheaper to buy off the lot versus ordering. For the dealer principal/management, they would prefer you buy off the lot as they have an asset that is costing them money everyday. Just like any inventory intensive business, turning that inventory is key.

    As for Hondas, your comment makes you seem a bit elitist. True, they aren't soul filled Teutonic machines with such tight tolerances that failure is inevitable :smile: . But they are fine automobiles that must be doing something right as they sell hundreds of thousands every year.
  • Re: Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

    Also without ordering, many people still pick what they want. Just rpthrough dealer swaps or incoming allocations. So you can wait a few days at most and get pretty much anything.

    So outside of truly custom builds (off the menu). With all the inventory around, you can probably find 95% of anything in a few days.

    Depends. It may be true for some brands, where options and packages are limited. Not so much in BMW or Benz (even if their options are limited vs. Europe, they still come with plenty of available combinations). Probability of finding my favorite combination within 300 miles is basically null. I'd like 435i Grand Coupe with sport line (but not M-sport - ripoff, well let's say "too expensive for value") with red exterior, black upholstery w/ red stitching, dark burl walnut wood trim, premium package, technology package, driver assistance package, harman kardon sound (negotiable), but no lighting package (ripoff), I'm flexible on wheels. No. of cars within 300 mile - ZERO. There is nothing even close, like one option missing/too many. Even compromising on the color and/or upholstery and/or trim still does me no good. So no, "pretty much anything" does not apply. Sport line is rare, there may be one or two units per five local dealerships - of course in a completely wrong configuration. It just so happens that my perception of value seems to be completely different than sales managers of those dealerships. I see Sport line as a highest value, because it gives you seats and suspension without all that other fluff - and you get gorgeous red on black stitching (if you choose that color) to boot. They seem to think that if you want the suspension and seats, you must also want all those other aesthetic additions and accents that BMW charges you extra 2 grand. I disagree, but who am I?

    Same thing, Benz - there may be 50 or 100 units in C-class on a local major dealer lot (TB Mercedes), yet ZERO (literally) with real leather, all that fake stuff. This is how it were at some point, anyway - perhaps today they have one, who knows. That's what people buy, they say. It may be true. Leather is expensive at Benz and the fake stuff looks "just as good" - so they say. I wouldn't know, as there isn't even a single one to inspect.
    Depends as you said. Local MB dealership has:

    101 CLA Class in stock - 22 with leather 22%
    109 C Class in stock - 38 with leather 35%
    91 E Class in stock - 60 with leather 66%
    986 Total in stock - 457 with leather 46%

    Notice as the base price goes up, more leather in stock.

    Dealers stock what people want. It's a $2300 upcharge for leather in the C300. That's 6%. I would guess that more than half of all C's are leased. The C300 leases at that magical price of $399 a month. Add another $50 a month for leather and it crosses that threshold where some folks start to get nervous.
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