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2010-2011 Buick LaCrosse



  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Posts: 1,380
    As you know, reception has been a big issue for me with dropouts.
    Yesterday I stopped at light. Rear shade was down and I raised. As it neared top, signal dropped. I lowered and as soon as it started moving down, signal dropped untill nearly half way down. I repeated this several times to verify.
    It was purely by accident that I discovered this quirk. I was likely in an area of an already weak signal, but the shade interferring is likely something GM overlooked.
    Does anyone know where the diplexing unit is located. There are some where the antenna cables were hooked up backwards, a simple swap.
    Diplexer funtions for mixing the different signals through the antenna, both transmit and receive. XM would use it and possibly OnStar. FM uses rear window as I recall.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Posts: 1,380
    One last thing I will be checking carefully as a first item. The "SEAT!" for comfort.
    One vehicle they were considering putting me in as a loaner was a JEEP cherokee. The comfort level of the seats was many times better, particularly in padding and support. Even the Malibu has better seats in my opinion, in suede. They are extremely firm, but quite supportive, and no feeling of a hard pan under the padding.
  • ntprontpro Posts: 5
    Mine have the Michelen's. I saw on several other forums too complaints on the Goodyears so I was happy to see I wouldn't have to worry about it. I really wanted the AWS version as I live in Ohio, but it was very hard to find in the config I wanted. I couldn't go to the more plentiful 2012 models as I wanted the 0% financing. I hated buying a 2011 when the 2012 was out, but I couldn't pass up 0%. Even 1.9% adds a lot more money to the term.
  • ntprontpro Posts: 5
    Although I have only had the car for a week, I use the rear shade all the time (and of course, it gets forced down when in reverse) and I have had no antenna issues. I would be very surprised if it interfered. It is inside the car and the FM antenna, if integrated in to the rear window would get the signal from the outside of the car. Same goes for the top antenna, which is above the shade on the top of the car. Doesn't seem likely. I think with all of the issues you are having, you would just move on to another car? :shades:
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Posts: 1,380
    I can't say for sure how it is happening, but suspect metal parts in it are acting as a reflector/director as in antennae technology. Note, it only showed up when the signal was likely marginal yet still strong enough to gather.
    But with so many dropouts as I have, that could be a large number of the times that it is reducing signal beyond an acceptable level. One thing for sure, I know a lot of people who have reception issues, ie dropouts, with GM products. Which I find surprising because it was no issue with the Malibu, which was the first XM I had.
    One GM person said, "that is just the way it is". They get complaints frequently that signals dropout all through the Everglades. Duh?, It is likely cell phones and OnStar working on cell service would. How many people live in that area making it wise to put towers up every few miles. Maybe none?
    For sure, I won't be buying anything relatively new in GM line. I'd be stupid to chance 3 in a row. I'd bet that would never happen, and bet it would never happen 2 in a row. Surprise! There are a couple of older models I might consider in the GM line, ones that have a good reputation. My son-in-law has a Tahoe with way over 100K. Other than routine maintenance, gas, oil, tires, brakes, it has never had anything done except two new windshields. Limbs fell from the same tree twice. But truthfully, he has been ignoring a broken electric lock on passenger and the tailgate will not lock, at all. Still not bad and he uses it for pulling a boat long distance a few times a year.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 6,413
    Hi all, if you don't read some of the other forums here I did decide on the LaCrosse. I ended up with a Black/Titanium Premium III w/ NAV, Sunroof, and Driver Confidence.

    It is a really nice ride. Only have a little over 100 miles on it at this point, so lots of learning to do.

    Its comfortable, fairly quick and the features are pretty nice. The system accepted my 16GB thumb stick full of music with no problem and my Droid Incredible paired up nicely. My phone #s came over too even though the GM bluetooth site said it wouldn't.

    I'm sure I'll have some questions with the NAV unit, etc. Thanks for all the comments.

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    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,907
    Congrats on the purchase/lease of your brand new 2012 LaCrosse. Black is a terrific color and the grey interior is a good choice to keep down the heat during the summer. But though matter how hot it is outside the AC is powerful enough to cool you down rapidly.

    BTW, there are several GM produced Youtube videos to help navigate through some of the tech gizmos.

    Enjoy the ride and drive safely.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Posts: 1,380
    Just for curiosity, what type of files did you put on the stick?
    If GM actually tested your Droid model, possibly it has had updates since then. Glad it worked.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 6,413
    They are all 256 or above MP3 on a San Disk 16gb thumb drive .

    Thanks, BWIA. I will do some searching

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • Congrats tjc78, I'm sure you'll love your Lacrosse. I bought a new 2011 last month and love it. I've averaged close to 26mpg through 1300 miles (4-cyl engine) and it is a flawless machine in every respect. :)
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Posts: 1,380
    Thanks for the reply. I too had no problems with MP3 being read.
    If you get the other types as written in manual to play, please post.
    There are several types listed and I had tried the M4A, both flavors, AAC type with Nero encoder (lossy but better than MP3 according to many) and the Apple type (ALAC - Apple "lossless" audio codec). Neither worked from the same stick I had the MP3's on.
    Since you might like MP3, I will pass some knowledge on. I used Foobar mostly with plugins. However since getting the iPod I was getting to like iTunes. It has lots of features, but something popped up that has been in general discussion for years concerning MP3. That is, "Which codec is better?" It approached a boil when MS introduced WME. Prior OS used a Franhoffer CODEC that was near the top of the list for quality. But MS, in an effort to push its format, WMA (windows media), replaced that with a dumbed down Franhoffer version. It was locked so it would not encode or decode to a rate better than 128kbs. That way MS could claim there built-in WMA was better than the (built-in) MP3. With a bit of trickery, you could get the old one to install in WME, but nothing later. So, many switched to other MP3 CODEC widely available on internet.
    Here is the rub. Manufacturers can use any CODEC they want for MP3, some licensed maybe. And I've recently been finding posts that in the back of my mind I might have suspected. The posts report that the CODEC for MP3 in iTunes produces inferior quality. To that I must say there is a distinguishable difference between iTunes and Foobar. Which begs the question, "Is Apple playing the same game as MS, favoring it's ALAC CODEC, usually acquired by purchasing songs from their store?"
    "And finally, which CODEC is installed in this system for decoding your portable music?"
    The answer to that became easy for me since GM is not even able to say which portable HDD's work, use lossless whenever possible.
    My first choice was the ALAC and to acquire a codec/transcoder that would do the job. That way I could easily still make use of functions in iTunes which readily recognizes M4A, both types. (So far, it is the best I've used for cataloging over 30,000 songs) Many are MP3, 180kbs and above, but I also have a large number, maybe 4000, on computer that are lossless. They are APE (monkey's audio), FLAC (free lossless audio codec), WAV, and ALAC. There is also WMA-lossless available, but I have none, and don't know about compatibility with iTunes. APE and FLAC are not. Easily transcoded to WAV, but that makes the hugest file. ALAC, APE, & FLAC are approximately half that size and identical quality.
    My first choice for making my music, jukebox style, available in the car was the portable HDD. That worked out so well (sarcasm).
    Other choices then became, burn all of it to CD's, a mountain of CD's, oops I dropped them.
    Burn all of them to DVD but I'm not certain they would play from a DVD.
    Use thumb drives. Doable with MP3 but it appears not so with lossless type. And even so, with close to 300GB of music files, it would get rather cumbersome and expensive to put them all on thumb drives. No way to load more than one stick.
    The only way I've found that works for different CODEC, lossless and a high number of songs is iPod. But it has size limitations limiting the size of your library.
    Good Luck.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Posts: 1,380
    First, fix the portable HDD issue.
    Second, make the system smarter. Those who have been able to get a portable HDD to work (not on this vehicle) have run into an issue. Each time you plug your portable device or shut off your vehicle, none of the info is retained. And the larger the volume, the longer it takes for the system to reload and categorize the music. That is just plain dumb and frankly stupid for a company that claims to know enough about computers to intall them in automobiles.
    Plug your portable device into your computer. Put a shortcut to a file from it to your desktop. Unplug it, restart computer, plug device back in, click on shortcut. How long did it take to access the file?
    Those shortcuts (file links) with tag info should be stored on built-in HDD until you choose to rebuild the catalog. Seconds to see or choose what you want to play versus many minutes to rebuild the information. One user claimed it took about five minutes every morning to build his catalog, a small fraction of what I have and many have ten times more than me.
    (Ricky Ricardo voice. "GM {Lucy}, you got alot of fixin tu do!")
  • dj2006dj2006 Posts: 27
    Does anyone know if the upgraded Navigation system with the IntelliLink apps is available on 2012 models now? I had one salesman say yes and another say it won't be added till early 2012.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Posts: 1,380
    Ain't that a hoot!
    Adding the missing voice commands sounds like a fix to me. Making use of Nuance's software for voice recognition may be a step in the right direction.
    Really they need to fix the issue of being able to use a HDD as in my earlier posting.
    Pandora, I have on my iPod, is just another lossy format. You can pay for a higher quality stream, 192 kbs, but I have no idea if that is MP3 or some other lossy format. But I guess it might give you an alternative to XM.
    If you like CD quality music, radio that is, give this link a try.
    I use it in Foobar, but it works in several players including WMP.
    You have got to have a fast connection because it typically is over 1100 kbs in lossless codec, ogg-flac.
    If the above did not work in your player, try this one. Same place.
    They have different streams depending upon your choice of genre.
  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,907
    Buick has done it again but much better this time.

    I was perusing the 2012 LaCrosse brochure and I was blown away by layout and high quality of interior photos in the brochure. Not sure who the target audience is but it has quite a few pictures of young attractive women either as potential buyers or eye candy for the unsuspecting gent.

    What's new for 2012? Other than the horsepower bump, the NAV interface looks different from the 2011 and the brochure mentions that the HDD is now 80GB with 30GD devoted to music. It also mentions Buick IntelliLink interactive radio (late availability). It goes on to say that with the ease of voice commands you can choose from Pandora Internet radio, Stitcher SmartRadio and available SiriusXM.

    Wow! that's fantastic but I was wondering if I could upgrade my 2011 infotainment system to this new and improve system? And yes, that 2012 brochure again, it is of the highest quality and the best such marketing promotion I have ever seen from GM, ever. Pick up a copy and see and feel for yourself.
  • gmcustsvcgmcustsvc Posts: 4,251
    It won’t be available until early 2012. I would recommend working with the sales person who gave you the accurate information. If you have any other questions about the new Lacrosse, and would like a more intimidate answer, I would definitely recommend utilizing the web chat tool on the web sites. GM has agents available to chat on GM sites. They can assist with incentives, feature availability, locating a specific vehicle or even a dealer. You can find this "floating button" on the current offers page of Hope this helps! Thank you for your interest in the new Lacrosse!
    GM Customer Service
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    Congrats buddy. I'm jealous, got to go drive one!
  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,907
    Thought I'd share a GM produced video demo on the new IntelliLink system.

  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,907
    edited November 2011
    This forum is dead so I am hoping this post will ignite some discussion.

    Hyundai has targeted its 2012 Azera directly at potential LaCrosse buyers. The elegantly dressed Azera comes with standard leather, navigation, and V-6 delivering 293 hp with better mileage than even the Avalon. No pricing details yet but it will probably sell at a significantly lower price than the Lacrosse Premium I.
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    I had great hopes for the Lacrosse. It's a handsome car, and GM gave it their best shot at building in quality and reliability. Unfortunately, the Azera (and V6 Genny) make it irrelevant.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 6,413
    I wouldn't say that. I've driven an Azera (not new upcoming model) and I've owned and Avalon and a V6 Genesis. All of the cars have their strongpoints. The Avalon is the roomiest,has the best engine, and has a very soft ride. The Genesis is the best handling machine of the group and has a slight edge in interior materials, but the ride is awful (jittery and unsettled on all but perfect roads). The LaCrosse seems to blend everything together pretty well. The premium III I have (think previous CXS w/o the adaptive ride) is just firm enough to allow decent handling but still deliver a very comfortable compliant ride. All the technology works as well as the other cars and it's roomy and comfortable. The revised 3.6 is a sweet engine, but the car could use a diet to make up some mpg. The Lacrosse is behind the others slightly in that category.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • crankeeecrankeee Posts: 298
    The Hyundai boys have been trying to break into the near lux market for some years IMO. The Sonata and Elantra models have opened up the small and midsized market with GREAT products and price points. We have a 2010 CXL( 3.0L V-6) and could not be happier. Intersting that GM offers Premium models w/o the adjustable ride and other problem features.
    Now considering a new Sonata to fill out the garage with warranteed vehicles. Gotta keep an open mind on changes in the car market.
    Agree with your comment the forum is dead - Esp. w/o the bashers.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 6,413
    Intersting that GM offers Premium models w/o the adjustable ride and other problem features.

    They really changed the way the cars are optioned up. There are no trim lines, only packages w/ some additional standalone options.

    For example, the 2012 I just got was a "Premium III" w/ NAV, Roof, and Driver Confidence. The "Touring" is the new package that gets you the adjustable suspension and 19" wheels (PIII has 18" chrome)

    I would guess the closest 2011 would have been a CXL V6 w/ additional options. I believe the CXS came standard with the adaptive suspension, or was that a package that you could add to the CXS?

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • crankeeecrankeee Posts: 298
    edited November 2011
    Very interesting post. By letting the consumer order ONLY the options he/she wants they end up with a happier post sale feeling. Your PIII with 18" wheels lets you get the Michelin tires and NOT the adaptive suspension that has been problematic along with the 19" Goodyears that used to come with. We got the 18" with Michelin Pilots - great tires IMO and the 18" allows for less of the low profile approach that we wanted. I like the change to individual options - like the old days before the "packs" where you had to buy Nav to get leather etc. Enjoy the new car.
  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,907
    edited November 2011
    The sunroof is a sour point though. In all packages the sunroof is a high price option. I believe it should be standard in the Premium III and Touring packages. For example in the Avalon Limited (and I believe the Genesis) the sunroof is standard.

    Moving unto another topic. After 16 months I have finally passed the 10,000 miles threshold on my 2011 CXS. The car has been trouble-free and performs the same as it did on the first day of ownership. In that time I've had four oil changes (one free) and one tire rotation. I use Shell V-Power 93 octane and I am very happy with the performance I am getting from the very spirited V-6.

    All I can say is that I am very happy with my LaCrosse and I have no regrets except that if it were possible I would welcome the opportunity to upgrade to the Interlink system. Does anyone know if that is technically possible and if so at what price?
  • cooleyddcooleydd Posts: 105
    I have the 19" tires and hate them. They ride hard and damage easily. Can I go down to a smaller tire like 18" or even 16"? I know I would have to buy new rims. Can this be done and what difference would it cause on the adaptive suspension, etc.
  • cooleyddcooleydd Posts: 105
    I have some 4GB of CD's on my computer using Windows Media Player. How can I get these to the hard disk on my Lacrosse. Windows Media shows the title, disk, etc. - will these transfer if I copy over to the HD.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 6,413
    It should show title, etc. What I would do is, transfer the music to a DVD, USB stick or multiple data CDs and then load it up into the car. However the titles show up while the disk is playing is how the HDD will store them.

    I recently burned about a 100 MP3s onto a DVD and loaded them onto the hard drive. I was suprised how quickly the system copied them.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 6,398
    Irrelevant? Don't be absurd. They're still Hyundais, for good and bad. The Genesis has hardly been the second coming the Hyundai cheerleaders claim it would be and I expect the Azera to be widely praised by the so-called automotive journalists but have its own set of issues in the real world.

    One thing Hyundai does better than everyone else, without question, is the ability to get automotive websites and others to tout their products by whatever means possible. Perhaps the rumors that they pay cash are true.

    The Buick remains in a class that is several cuts above Hyundai.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,907

    I had the same questions concerns about the 19" wheels and tires but alas it would not be a good idea to move down to smaller tires. I spoke with my service manager and a GM engineer and they both said the same thing...don't do it.

    Since the CXS with the Touring package and adaptive suspension was designed to work exclusively with the 19" wheels and tires any change to smaller tires would degrade ride and handling to unacceptable levels.
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