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All-New 2010 Legacy/Outback



  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,862
    If it's anything light my Odyssey, full auto means the system regulates everything - ac use, temp and where the air is directed.

    If I redirect the flow, hit the AC button or change the fan speed, the system is on auto mode which means it controls just the temp.
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 192
    I remember having to look this up when I bought my Legacy in late 2009. IIRC it's always in "Full" Auto UNLESS you adjust ANY of the buttons. Any of the buttons other than either of the DEFROST and one or two others.

    I think it means that the TEMP setting stays the same but whatever you changed and (IIRC) the fan speed change. Hitting the AUTO again resets all.

    I often change my heat distribution, particularly in the Colorado mountains as my feet sweat a lot (in any vehicle) so I like to move some hot air upward.

    Hope this helps, not sure I explained it any better than the owner's manual.

  • timadamstimadams Posts: 294
    edited February 2011
    "If I change the mode to anything but feet the unit goes into "Auto" mode and in that mode my fan speed never abates unless I lower it myself."

    I'm pretty sure that's not correct. If you take it off Full Auto by changing where the air goes, the fan is still on automatic to control the temp. I do the same thing, wanting air at my feet and on the windshield. The fan will eventually adjust slower when the cabin gets warm enough.

    Having said that, I often manually lower the fan speed a notch or two until the cabin is warmed up. The little fellow in the HVAC system likes to kick the fan speed up to maximum, which is quite loud. I'd rather have it about 2/3 of the way up and not so loud. Eventually, when the cabin is plenty warm, I'll put it back on Full Auto or Auto with air going to the windshield and my feet and then the fan isn't so loud.
  • Thanks for the helpful posts, is it just me or is weird to have a full auto that will only direct air down to your feet.

    I do a lot of longer drives (2 hours minimum) and my toes feel like they are medium rare after a while. When I switch to get a more uniform air displacement (to the windshield to defrost an in the cabin) I always have to fidget with the controls.

    Subaru needs a better operator's manual, between the Climate Control and the IPOD interface someone could spend hours trying to figure out what the heck they are trying to tell you.

    Maybe I will write to Subaru and see if they can enlighten me on these.
  • gizzer777gizzer777 Posts: 335
    edited February 2011
    I also am sorry about your car.

    I just did an internet lookup at my dealer, at used Outbacks (far west, snow country)...Wow....a bunch of very low mileage 2010 Outbacks (under 10,000 miles) for sale, and no 2008's or 2009's at all.

    I am definitely keeping my 2008 Premium (H4) that I bought last year in May, used and mileage about 20K...So far, I love it, although in the cold weather the mileage has dropped to about 17 mpg in the city....which I expected, due to fuel mixture, cold, etc....Maybe low 20's on the Freeway.
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 192
    Guess I'm driving more in my Legacy than I was my Maxima. It's made several trips up to Vail area for skiing, one trip to SF Bay Area for vacation, one trip to Austin for a work/vacation and two ski trips to Salt Lake.

    The only time it's been to the dealer was for the "air bag connector" recall. Although a week ago I was heading down the interstate and heard/felt something come off the instrument panel. A screw popped out from underneath the cowling around the instruments. There are (supposed to be) two of them. The funny thing is that I felt it bounce off my trouser leg and I assumed it hit the floor. But yesterday when I rememered it happening I looked all around the floor on the driver's side and didn't see it (cue "Twilight Zone" theme music).

    Either it landed under the seat or stuck on my shoe heel and got carried out. Either way I'm not going to make a special trip to the dealer for that. One day I'll go pick up some touch up paint and ask for an extra screw at that point.

    Pretty happy with the car, exept I got run into by a bicycle within 20 hours of picking the car up, hit a tumbleweek driving between Amarillo and Lubbock and some J-hole slammed his pick up truck door into the right rear wheel well.

    Mileage has been pretty good and I've carried several back seat passengers and no one complained.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's more miles than my wife has put on in nearly 3 years!
  • timadamstimadams Posts: 294
    >>"Mileage has been pretty good and I've carried several back seat passengers and no one complained. "

    What has your fuel mileage been? MPG is the only real disappointment I'm having with my 2011 Legacy. I drive at least half of my miles on the highway, and I've been getting between 23 and 25 MPG. This is calculated the real way by dividing the miles driven by the number of gallons used to fill up. I should be getting at least 3-4 MPG more, I think.
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 192
    Tim, not sure how many miles you've got on yours, but I tend to be around 28-30 on freeway/in town split tanks. I've gotten well above 30 a few times but generally 30+/- on highway tanks. Jump down a few pages and read the thread I started titled "Real world mileage with 2.5 and CVT".

    Mine has definitely been off the last few in town tanks as we've been getting snow every week or two.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited March 2011
    C'mon folks, we need *both* of the Subaru owners in Florida to respond ASAP.

  • almattialmatti Posts: 164
    Does anyone know if the oil is a "blended" synthetic, pure synthetic or regular oil. according to the manual it's 5W-30? Thanks for the responses.
  • It means just use the REGULAR 5W-30. If oil is changed regularly, don't bother wasting money on the Synthetics.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 11,000
    Yes, the standard oil for Legacy/Outback is non-synthetic. I imagine it will go to standard synthetic when the model adopts the new FB engine, as with the 2011 Forester requirements.
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • almattialmatti Posts: 164
    Thanks for the quick responses. Theory has it: that the synthetics give better protection and can yield better MPGs? I really don't have any official evidence other than opinions on line. How much is the difference in $$$ between the Syn and reg oils?
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 11,000
    In practice, you're not likely to see any noticeable mileage improvement, except during cold periods in the winter (due to better cold-flow properties of synthetic). Most of the cars I have now (and use daily) have not been driven with non-synthetic during my ownership, but, for the cars I had when I first transitioned, I found the winter improvement to be about one mile-per-gallon with synthetic. According to the numbers, summer differences were not significant.

    In terms of protection, yes, synthetics are better. Will that translate to a difference for you, the owner of a given car for a given period of time? Not likely. If you tend to keep your cars a long time or run them hard, the internal health of the engine could be improved over that span by the oil. However, it is not likely something you will notice for a car that serves as basic, daily transportation.

    The selling point for me is extended drain intervals. The quality of synthetic (a single oil change) over time is superior, safely allowing for extended drain intervals. I change my oil annually, with between 13,000 and 15,000 miles per vehicle during that time frame. So, not only does it save me significant amounts of time, I can also choose a time of year when I don't have to do it on ice in my driveway (July 4 weekend is my preferred time to do it). For that same distance traveled, depending on the car (newer cars have longer factory-recommended intervals), one might do three-to-five oil changes with conventional oil.

    While the cost per oil change is higher for synthetic ($35-45 for the oil and a quality filter is a reasonable estimate versus $20 for conventional with same quality filter), the need to change the oil less frequently results in savings over time.
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • My bluetooth is acting up, when I connect with my Blackberry the radio automatically registers "call" and cuts out the tunes. I can flip through with the mode button and get the radio back but I get a cackling sound in the background of the music. This is the second time this has happened, the first tim it happened for about a week and then suddenly went back to normal. It has now been over a week and still the same issue.

    This is a Canadian 3.6R limited, the audio for the bluetooth does not go through the H-K radio, it goes through some low end speaker in the middle console (a pet peeve that of mine that only the Legacy and only the ones built in Canada seem to have this lousy set up). When I receive a call the H-K radio cuts out but does not take the audio.

    Any help on this would be appreciated.
  • dgf4dgf4 Posts: 1
    I have 1 2010 Outback that I absolutely "Love" except for the On-Center Steering Control. There seems to be excessive 'Play' in the steering at highway speeds (55-75mph). It is not that noticeable running short trips but I drive 80 miles to work every day and this getting extremely irritating. For example when making a slight steering correction to the right you have to follow up with a left correction to keep the vehicle going straight down the road. In the winter time I find myself driving slower than 2-wheel drive compact cars because I can't tell if it is ice throwing the car around or if it is drifting all over the road on dry pavement. My dealer claims it is because of the high ground clearance. I have owned an Explorer, Expedition, Tahoe, Suburban, and a 1 Ton 3500 and have never had this issue. Yes some of them were effected by a strong side wind but this happens on the outback whether it is windy or dead calm. I have never loved and hated a car so much than I do this 2010 Outback.

    Aside from this problem I love every other aspect of the car. (Ride, Mileage, etc)

    There doesn't seem to be an overwhelming feedback of problems with the drifting as much as the Vibration. I have not experienced any significant vibration at all.

    Does anyone else know if they have corrected this on the newer models?? I have played with tire rotation, dealer alignment etc with no real solution.

    I don't know if this has someting to do with the electric assist steering??
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