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Subaru Impreza Outback Sport & TS



  • ramonramon Posts: 825
    you have in a car the more chances it iwll break...the more you end up paying when the warranty's over.
    And not to mention adds to the weight of the car! =)
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    I've heard how frustrating it is when doodads malfunction in a car and frivolous it all seems. Hey Ramon, you never did say what kind of flag that is. Doesn't look Canadian--is it Ontario?
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    IF you don't want doodads, get the TS! That's what the base level is there for. The same thing can be said for the upgraded wheels and tires on the OBS. Heck, same can be said for power windows/locks and in dash CD player! OBS is being marketed as an active lifestyle vehicle, and costs about a grand more than the TS. Only real thing they have to market is the silly outdoor temp guage and the "heavy duty raised suspension" which really isn't all that impressive, as well as its looks. Figured a small ~$1xx piece of optional equipment that fits that image would work.

    Heck, they should even make the rear diffy protector standard on it, =)

  • ramonramon Posts: 825
    Saw a silver 02 OBS. Looks really nice. At first I thought it's a WRX wagon from the rear. Then I saw the OBS emblem. Maybe it's the light, but the lower tutone is hardly noticeable with the silver.
    celeste : the flag belongs to Swaziland. It's a tiny African country IIRC.
    Actually Subarus in general are sparce in terms of doodads compared to other car mfgs.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    does look nice. I've seen several. The color interaction between the silver and the color of the bumpers is unusual, and it flat out works.

  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    I thought that flag looked familiar, but couldn't remember where I saw it. I think it looks cooler than Canada's, no offense. Did you ever see the Indian Ocean there? Gee, what a change of climate, now you poor boy, you're freezin' all the time. Well spring is close. Did ya take off your snow tires yet?

    Beanboy: OBS instead of TS because I love cruise control and they won't offer it on the TS. I've also spent almost 30 years in cars with manual windows and they are a pain when dealing with toll booths and parking garage slips. I'll take my power windows, thank you very much, and the same goes for power outside mirrors, my manual mirrors on my other cars just didn't get adjusted if it was raining hard, and how can you reach across to adjust an outside mirror on the passenger side with stopping and getting out?

    However, I probably could do without alot of the other stuff but like the two tone paint on my car and since that's the way it comes with what's in it it's fine with me. The tape player is OK but I'm always having to make my own tapes off my CD's and tapes take up alot of space, so at some point I'll probably add a CD player to mine. However, again, the thought of having someone cut holes in my dash and monkey around with things doesn't thrill me because as of now I have absolutely no dash rattles, and don't care to have any, either.......
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    Good to hear from yet another person about the silver being a good combo. That green was a real turnoff from the pictures I've seen. The stupid dealer near me doesn't even have any WRX's yet, not to mention any new RS's or OBS's. All he cares about are Outbacks and Foresters, unless he's hiding his WRX's out back and I wouldn't put that past him. Probably doesn't want people asking to drive them. What a jerk.
  • ramonramon Posts: 825
    hey celeste, i'm not from swaziland. i just use different flags for fun. Before that I was using an Afghanistan flag. =) I might change again.
    u mentioned that u didn't want holes to be drilled on your dash fr the cd player. well don't fret. there's no holes needed. if u can change a computer's harddrive, u can do this too. all u need is a special wiring harness that connects the audio wires from your OBS to the desired CD deck. very simple. I switched mine already. I really hate the RS' sound system. the Cd sucked too.
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    I thought the TS had power everything and has a single disc in-dash CD player. The only thing lacking was cruise control. OBS adds the temp. guage bigger wheels/tires, raised heavy-duty suspension and a few interior and exterior enhancements.
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    Ramon: I guess you're saying the tape deck pops out of the dash, huh? and you weren't left with any rattles? That drives me mad. Well, you'd better be careful using middle eastern flags, you don't want a car bomb or anything. Yikes! Did you already replace your speakers? What CD player did you get?

    Beanboy: I thought the TS was the base model and thought that's what I've heard, which seemed logical that they would force you into the next pricier model up just to get things alot of us would like to consider standard. Alot has been said on the Outback Sport club at Yahoo and that's what I believe I heard there.
  • ramonramon Posts: 825
    well this is how I did it.
    - open up your arm rest compartment.
    - u will see 2 plastic buttons
    - pry them open and unscrew the 2 screws.
    - now lift the "premium" plastic console that resides on your handbrake and power mirro switches. There is an adapter underneath it. Unplug it. It is for the power mirrors
    - next pry and lift up the wonderful subaru plastic console that is on your shifter.
    - u can unscrew the shiftknob and boot to take the entire console out. It's up to u.
    - now the tricky part. use a flathead protected with tissue or someting and pry the plastic frame that goes around your tape dack and climate control.
    - don't worry, it won't break. As flimsy as they look, they are quite hardy! i've abused mine quite a bit and it's still fine.
    - so before you would be the bare metal casing that holds everything together (tapedeck, climate control, empty cubby hole....) only unscrew the the 4 screws that holds your cubby hole and tape deck.
    - take the entire casing out.
    - unscrew the screws that hold the tape deck to the metal case.
    - rip out the wire connectors.
    - replace the connectors with the wiring harness from the audio store.
    - put on your new CD deck
    - reverse all the steps mentioned. and voila! done. but do test it first before putting everything back.
    - it's really quite simple.

    all the best.
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  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    has in terms of comfort and convience items like air, power locks/windows/CD player. Only thing lacking is cruise, which is very silly.
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    Ramon: Thanks for those magnificent and embellished directions. When my kid was vacuuming the car he was taking some of that stuff, like the console over the shifter, apart, so I'll have him do the install. What brand CD player do you have?

    Beanboy: Well from Subaru's standpoint it's not silly at all because if you really want the cruise control, which alot think of as standard, you are forced into the higher price range. Just a marketing ploy.
  • ramonramon Posts: 825
    I got a Clarion ProAudio DRXsomething.... go to I think u can find it there. Got it over a year ago for my old car. The Clarion fits perfectly without jutting out like so many aftermarket decks. I love it. Sounds great. Most important thing after u got a new CD deck is to go get a wiring harness for the deck and your car's audio cables!
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    is also lacking roof rack cross bars, rubber rear cargo mat, protective rear bumper skid mat, 16" tires, and an ambient temperature gauge. All worthwhile features, IMHO.

    Granted, everything but the 16" wheels (I suppose you can add those too) are options on the TS.

  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    So, you have your tape deck and your CD player both, eh? Where do you get that wiring harness, at Radio Shack?
  • ramonramon Posts: 825
    not radio shack. =) Go to a reputable car audio place. They should have one. Mine costs a few bux. No biggie. If they are nice, they would even do the crimps for you. They should tho. It's out of their good heart to do so. If u're buying your CD deck from a custom audio place, they should provide u the wiring harness too.
    No the tape deck is sitting around somewhere in the house. The stock CD player is being sold to a guy this weekend. =)
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    If I picture this correctly, the new CD player will go where the tape deck is presently, and the tape deck is history, right? Wouldn't I be able to get that harness from Crutchfield if I get the CD player there?
  • ramonramon Posts: 825
    i dunno about getting the wiring harness from crutchfield.
    yes the tape deck would go bye bye. Unless u want to get another adapter to hook the tape deck or yoru CD up as a secondary player in the 2nd DIN slot. that's how my stock tape/CD player works. The tape deck acts as the primary player, the CD player is daisy chained to the tape deck for controls and power.
    Just get the new CD deck celeste.
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    The new Cd player goes in the little cubbie below the present tape deck, and the old tape deck receptacle is there as a dummy?
  • ramonramon Posts: 825
    it fits on where the old tape deck was. That is if you want to replace the tape deck. Actually u can put the CD player wherever. above the cubby hole or below. It's like a tray really. Think of it as an oven trays. There are 2 layers right? U can either put it on the top or below. It's a matter of placememnt.

    However if you want to retain the tapedeck, u would need to get a CD player capable of piggybacking with the stock tape deck. which means it needs some kinda cable to connect with the tape deck and a smaller wiring harness to draw power from the tape deck. Why would u want to keep the tape deck anyways?
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  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    I wouldn't keep the tape deck because I can burn my own CD's at home, but was trying to get a mental picture of exactly what space it would fit into. Hope you're enjoying some spring weather now, it should be starting to warm up a little!
  • ramonramon Posts: 825
    spring is here. and it's so warm! it's only 11C!!! I'm gonna go blading after work! wahoooo!!! I don't know why, but I am so happy whenever spring comes. I grew up in a sunny country but summer time in Canada is always so joyous for me. I should be so used to the sun by now right?!
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    Since we have a '96 Impreza Outback and a '01 Forester S Premium, I was curious as to how the new OBS compared with either of our current Subarus.

    In short, I liked it a lot. The power seemed more than adequate. It's certainly no WRX (I've driven two of those), but it's no slug by any means. I absolutely blew away a CRV at an impromptu stoplight grand pix.

    The car handles better than either of our current Subarus. I really wish the All-Weather-Package that our Forester has, was available, however.

    BTW, the dealer I visited had a yellow WRX there with WR blue super graphics plastered all over the vehicle. It was the same graphics used on the factory rally racers. It looked hideous. I've always said there is no such thing as a bad color, only bad color combinations and/or usage. This car perfectly illustrated that point perfectly. It was Aztec-ugly.

  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    Did it shift any differently/smoother than your other vehicles? After almost a year, mine's getting a little easier to get into reverse, it used to be a little difficult. (2000 OBS)
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    are automatics. However, I've driven many a 5-speed Subaru, and the new Imprezas are the best shifting I've ever driven. Not at all "rubbery" like earlier models. The shifts are precise and direct—Honda-like, if you will.

  • momgraymomgray Posts: 18
    Hi - and let me be upfront with my THANKS for any help/suggestions for this.

    I have been eyeing an 1998 Subaru Impreza Outback Sport here in the Windy City (actually, just north of it), and if the test drive shows no problems, I think I have some good numbers for negotiating ... except one:

    It looks like it has an aftermarket ('cause I don't see it listed as an option here at Edmunds when checking the TMV) power sunroof. Does anyone know how much value that adds (roughly, I know it can be a regional thing)?

    Other details:
    White exterior, gray interior
    36.2K miles
    Auto (okay, not preferred, but as I don't know how to drive a stick ....)
    airbags, power windows, powerlocks, cruise, A/C, CD/Cassette player, tilt steering, cruise, luggage rack, ABS, fog lights, tinted privacy glass (does this also affect price?) and the power sunroof.

    The dealer (a subaru dealership) is asking 13995
    I was thinking of shooting for 12500 ... Edmunds estimates the "Dealer Retail" as 12045 (without the sunroof) and that's what I'm basing the 12500 on. Now, if I could get it for closer to the 9600 (+ sunroof value) trade in value that would be great.

    I really appreciate any comments and suggestions - and hope to relatively soon be a proud owner of an Outback Sport :-)

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    The sunroof is definitely an aftermarket item. Subaru never has offered a sunroof on that model.

    I can't speak to the price, as I have not shopped that model per say. We have a '96 Impreza Outback automatic; and it's been a great, trouble-free car.

    It's a shame you can't afford (or don't want) a new '02 Outback Sport. That would be my choice hands down.

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