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Subaru Impreza Outback Sport & TS



  • lumbarlumbar Posts: 421
    Had an odd experience after a dealer oil change on our '99 OBS. After picking it up, both wife and I noticed the friction point of the clutch was noticeably lower to the floor.

    Although I have the usual distrust of mechanics, I think this has to be written off as coincidence since all they did was the oil change but there's no question it was contemporaneous.

    Anyway, this is the first mechanical issue of any kind with this vehicle. Mileage is 52,500 and the dealer indicates problems with the slave cylinder at about this point. On my previous MT cars., I'm used to getting away with an "adjustment" initially. Anybody have any thoughts/knowledge on this.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I had to rebuild the leaky clutch slave cylinder on my Miata recently, and it had just 42k miles. Nonetheless, the rebuild kit was just $10 or so. If you can bleed brakes, you can rebuild a clutch slave.

    Check the fluid level, is it low? Better to fix then not know, you could end up stranded if it leaks enough. The line takes brake fluid.


    PS I don't believe it's linked to the engine oil in any way, my guess is it's just a coincidence
  • I have been tossing the idea back and forth about getting another car to replace my 94 Probe GT.Basically should I patch up the one I have and make it last or sell it while it will still pass saftey/emissions testing and I can get a buck for it.However, I still owe money against it.Do any of you think it is cheaper to fix up a car and keep driving it compared to buying another one?I want an Impreza TS around a 2002 model to replace my reliable Probe GT.
    My Probe has 278,000km or approx. 183,000 miles on it and still runs fine.It does need a bit of work though,like a clutch I would say within the next year and an oxygen sensor too.I could explain somemore but I think you get the jist of it!
    I would appreciate some advice from you fellow drivers.



    PS-Anyone heard that Toyota kicked Chrysler out of 3rd spot as far as the Big 3 goes????
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726 '97 had a cable clutch...the '99s had hydraulic clutches by then?

    With the cable clutch, the routing of the cable was important to the operation of the clutch, and I remember one time after a major maintenance it was routed wrongly and the clutch was right on the floor. Took it back, they put it back in its bracket or on its path or whatever it was, problem solved.

    It never actually needed any clutch repair the whole time I had it.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • I hate to say "it depends", but, "it depends". It's hard to know what it will cost to fix the Probe, but if it's been a very reliable car, it might be worth a few bucks to fix. Getting a new car almost always will cost more, even going with a 2002. And not for nothing, but if you are owing money against a 10 year old car, you're likely to be better off by taking care of that problem before trying to figure out what you could get for the Probe on resale. It would simplify the issue.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You might want to milk it until it's paid off. You sure put a lot of miles within the term of your loan!

    A clutch is, what, $400 at least? Get a Bosch O2 sensor for about $70. Neither of those are huge repairs, but of course you want to sell before you do get a huge repair bill. It's a tough call, but you're the owner and in the best position to determine its reliability.

    It's probably not worth much, so milk it for a while, then when a major failure occurs just donate it. That's what I would do.

  • Thankyou guys,you had some good points I never thought of yet.
    Hmm,I am probably best to keep it going and pay off the remainder of it.
    I have put a crap load of miles on the car because the car has been across Canada 5 times...looking for flying jobs,I'm a Commercial Pilot(kind of a rookie though).And I use to live in Northern Alberta Canada.
    Cheers guys,

  • My mom needed a new car to replace her totaled 97 Escort, and decided she wanted/needed all the safety features (AWD, ABS, EBFD, disc brakes etc.)that the Outback had to offer, after her accident.

    I used the price quote service here on Edmunds, and email 6-7 dealers. 3 replied within the next day, and we went with Glanzmann Subaru in Jenkintown, PA. The price was 18,6XX after the 750 dealer incentive factored in( or about 500 under invoice). The car is Woodland Green with armrest extension, air filter, cargo net, and splash guards. They charged a $99 document fee, but didn't charge to get the car from another dealer. They also offer the first 3000 mile oil change for free, lifetime emissions/inspection for free, and free rental if the car is in for any service. Very professional low pressure sale, knowledgeable about the product. In and out in about an hour. Picking it up Monday or Tuesday. Hopefully F&I is just as nice :)

    Will update as she begins her ownership experience.
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Congrats on your mom's 04 Outback purchase! We look forward to your future updates. ;-)

    Hatchbacks & Wagons Boards
  • lumbarlumbar Posts: 421
    I posted a little while back about excessive play in the clutch on our OBS at about 52,500 m.

    Just a follow-up for anyone, like me, who did not know that this model does not have hydraulics but apparently uses a cable. Our dealer's service manager had even forgotten this. I'm assuming it's true because the mechanic said so!
  • Thank you for the reply Revka, and I am looking forward to seeing how safe/stable this car is!

    I have a question about the 2 switches/buttons that are just below the armrest area on Outback Sport. What is their function? I didn't notice them during the test drive. Hopefully we will find out today 9/15 or tomorrow when we take delivery, but I would like to know beforehand because I am curious :) I know heated seats aren't available, and the back seat window switches are on the driver's door.

    Thanks for any replies, Lou
  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    The two switches. Is the icon on either switch a chair with wigglely lines? That would be for the heated seats.

  • that the icon was a chair w/ wiggly lines or not, since the pictures I have seen have been from too far a distance to decipher the symbol. I guess I'll find out today or tomorrow. Heated seats would be nice though :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I didn't think the OBS had those...

    Most Outbacks (not Sport) do.

  • Heated seats are standard in the OBS for the Canadian market, so that's where the heated seat switches go. However, if the car doesn't have heated seats (like our 2.5 TS), there are still two switch blanks there that could look like switches until you take a closer look.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Those lucky Canucks!

  • I saw those pics on Carsdirect for a 2003 Outback Sport. So maybe they had pics of the Canadian version? I will probably find out tomorrow :))
  • What year is your TS?How do you like it?I may be looking for a 2002 Impreza TS manual!


    PS-do you know anyone that is selling one or a descent place to purchase one,they're kind of hard to find?
  • Sorry, I meant our 2.5TS as in the Canadian-market 2.5TS, not one I personally drive. I'm also still in the looking phase, trying to decide between the TS and the OBS ($4000 difference) so that's how I come to have the spec sheet memorised. My dealer always has lots of new TS wagons in stock but people seem to hang onto them once they buy them, so I also notice that used ones are rare.
  • cbmorton - I went thru same choice in March02 between the OBS and the TS (different content in Canada from US cars). I decided that the extra $ for the OBS was not worth it and I have never been sorry for that choice. You can add cargo cover, rear bumber rubber pad, etc. to the TS. The larger wheels, heated seats and a few other itmes just do not add up to me. In the US, the TS is more contented so the choice is tougher.
  • rbleland, you're right, I think the TS is a screaming deal for what you get, considering the mechanicals and all essential equipment is the same between it and the OBS. I haven't decided yet whether to buy or lease--I usually lease, and on a three-year lease the OBS is only $16/month more (tax included) than the TS, due to the OBS's higher residual value, lower interest rate and better dealer discount. On the other hand, the TS offers better purchase financing (3.8% vs 4.8%) and upgrades can be added later, like you say. I should know next week which way I'll end up going.
  • I was looking at a '03 compared to a '04 last night and can anyone tell me if there is any vast improvements over the '03 model besides a face lift?I think the 2004 had rear disc brakes and the 2003 didn't?
    Just wondering if I'd be better off with the new re-designed Impreza?
    Thanks to anyone with some info!

  • The addition of rear discs with EBD was the biggest improvement. The 04 TS also got standard roof rails, safer head restraints and brake pedal, a revised suspension, slightly redesigned dash and gauges, a chirp for the keyless entry, a revised driver's seat height adjuster, and lost the key lock on the rear hatch.
  • Thankyou very much cbmorton....what does EBD stand for anyway?Electronic Braking ???something.
    Have a good weekend!

  • Also, the 04 has the radio antenna built into the rear window. Much nicer look that way.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    In the US, the difference is sometimes just $700. That would be a no-brainer, but $4000 canadian is a different story (despite a little extra content in the Canadian OBS).

  • EBD=Electronic Brakeforce Distribution.

    The only equipment difference I can find for our OBS is that we get heated seats, not available in the US. However, in US dollars, we pay $900 more for the car. Interestingly, our TS costs US$900 less than the TS does south of the border, and we only give up the standard cargo cover. So that accounts for the additional price spread up here.

    At any rate, I decided to go with the OBS, 5MT, due to the better lease deal available. Added the accessory tweeters, black mudguards and hatch spoiler. The dealer is also getting a power sunroof put in and 3M paint protection film on the front end. This will be my first AWD car, so I'm actually looking forward to snow this year.
  • Brent-

    Like you, I'll be driving my first AWD vehicle, a 2004 OBS 4AT, thru the snows of Erie, PA, just across the pond from you. Leased mine too, but since I'm enjoying it so much I may end up purchasing it at the lease-end. Let me know how the 3M protection works. Thru the summer, it's been a bug magnet, and I've been thinking of some protection for it. Good choice on the tweeters, I should have had that done. Still might this winter. Heated seats...I'm so jealous! Wish we could get those. Good luck with the car.

  • Do you have Heated Side Mirror too in US model?

  • Thanks, Dan. We have several Erie TV stations on our cable over here and I sometimes feel like I almost live there. Have only passed through once on my way to Pittsburgh, however, but I remember the great view down to the lake from the highway.

    I'm looking forward to seeing how the 3M film works as well. Thin, easily-chipped paint seems to be a universal new car complaint these days so I thought I'd try it out. My current car has a hood deflector that saved the hood, but the rest of the front end has more chips and nicks in it than I'd like to have seen.

    Good to know you're enjoying the car. It'll still be a couple of weeks til I get mine, but I can't wait to try it out.
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