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VW Passat Wagons (GL, GLS, GLX & W8)



  • thx for the response ... I am not sure what is the difference between the J and h series... could you explain please...
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    ...the coil packs on the sparkplugs on the engine. The "h" series are proving to have a high failure rate. When they fail, the engine mis-fires, you get a "check engine" light as the car is running on less than all 4 cylinders, and the parts have been known to be on back order at certain times and in certain places.

    The "j" series are the replacement parts, apparently manufactured by another supplier. I've read, but not been able to verify, that most 03's have the "j" series. Don't know what the change-over date was.
  • thx for ur input...So, 1) does that mean I need to check under the hood and or ask the sales person the question is this j or h series....
    2)and do u know if this is also true on the 6 cylinder engines.
    3)what is ur input regarding 4 vs 6 cylinder on the passat.
  • Seems like u got a good deal $100 below invoice ... Congratulations then and happy miles... :]
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    You should be able to get a large discount on the W8, as VWOA can't give them away. It will be somewhat faster than the GLX 4-motion, but not a whole lot, and gas mileage will be poor.
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    Let's go one by one:

    1) Doubt that your salesperson would know what the h*ll you're talking about. If you check on (once there, use the search for coil packs), to see the subtle visual difference. Here's the link (yeah, I started that thread on Clubb5 :-)):

    But it's not that easy to do, since the engine is under a shroud, under the hood. Coil packs are covered under the warranty; I'm not worrying about it. Autoweek (on line) had an article saying the problem was limited to the 1.8T engine and to model years 2001 and 2002.

    2) No idea if this applies to V-6 as well as 4. I have a 4, so I haven't really been watching for what's happening to the V-6 players. If the Autoweek article (Edmunds wouldn't let me post the link, it's too long) is to be believed, then it's only the 4 cylinder models.

    3) As I said, I have the 4. It's economical, more than sufficiently powerful ( I don't pull over for anyone, if the spirit moves me), less costly than the V-6 to purchase and maintain, and has more aftermarket performance options (due to the ability to modify the engine's chip which controls the engine electronics and the turbo). Personally, the last item doesn't interest me, but it is true. I think you really need to test drive them back to back. Availability may be an issue, I didn't see that many V-6 equipped models when I shopped.

    Take a visit to and lurk a bit. You'll find a lot of information, a mostly friendly group, and lots of support for the Passat owner (or future owner). I hung out there for almost a year before buying our wagon.

    There's also, which deals with all models of VW's, not just the Passat. The Passat board is not as active as Clubb5, but still some interesting stuff.

    By the way, you'll see a number of the people from here on one or both of these other sites.

    Good luck!

  • Hey thx for all of your input... I think I will go test drive both cars the 4 and the 6.... The link is great.... ty...I still need to linguer some more though....wishing you all happy holidays...
  • Im afraid I didn't pay that that's just what came up on cars direct for the SB area.....I'm paying more here in hawaii, unfortunatly but still great my car is in san diego waiting to go throught the port process......hopefully will see in in mid jan
  • Wow, that was good deal. I wish I knew this before. I just bought 03 GLX wagon $500 above the invoice, I thought even this deal was good.

    Anyway, that is OK, since I love my car so far, except my radio which does not accept safety code. I have been waiting for about a week to replace it...
  • Hi guys,
    I’m shopping around for GLS 2003 with ESP, Monsoon and leather package.
    Different dealers have shown their Invoice prices for this type of vehicles
    and I can see these figures are dissimilar.
    Could anybody advise me what is the Real Invoice price for this car?
  • alfoxalfox Posts: 716
    The question is does the one they show you contain the ad fee, destination charge, doc fees, etc.? Show them the invoice you have and ask them to break theirs down. All of these are legitimate and not necessarily negotiable.

    A better approach is to do your research and determine the out-the-door price you want to buy at and offer that, specifying what is included (e.g., I'll offer $23,500 including all charges except state fees and taxes.) That way you don't have to worry with the dealer's cost on the car.
  • I also saw invoice prices at dealers different from invoice prices on some web sites. Finally, I requested the dealer I bough from to show me the document of their purchase from manufacturer. Then I agreed to give them $500...

    So, you might be able to ask for the same document too.
  • markjennmarkjenn Posts: 1,142
    A word of caution: When someone says they paid "$100 over invoice" you often don't know the true basis of "invoice". Some dealers add regional advertising fees, other marketing fees, doc charges, port fees, or do other things to get the invoice price up and get people to think they're paying a lower amount over invoice. And they often trade in a car so the math gets real fuzzy depending on the true value of the trade-in.

    And markets vary from region to region and even day to day.

    Bottom line: Don't obsess over hitting some target $x over invoice that you heard someone get over the internet. You probably don't have a good basis to be using other deals as hard-core benchmarks for your deal. Get a general idea of the market to set expectations, but the key to getting the best price in YOUR market is negotiationing with two or more dealers simultaneously. And if a dealer treats you well in the sales process and is offering a reasonable deal, just take it! Folks get very hung up on getting the absolutely lowest price, but getting that last $100 may not be worth the effort.

    - Mark
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    I'd agree that some people really enjoy digging for that last "c" note. I think it comes from the feeling that many people have that they've been abused by a car salesman at some point in their lives and if they get the chance, they'll give the screw back.

    I researched my numbers, made what I considered a reasonable offer, they countered, I countered and a deal was reached. 75% of this I did through e-mail with my local dealer. We all left feeling okay about the deal. I don't see any point in spending hours trying for that last $100. Geez, your time has some value to it, as well.
  • Thanks for the good info. I will research more carefully next time...

    Anyway, since I love my car, I don't care too much if I paid only a little more than somebody. That price was the reasonable "value" of the car to me.
  • I am considering the Passat GLS wagon and have a question about the child tethers. I noticed they are located on the backs of the rear, fold-down seats. So my question is when you have large cargo that requires you to fold down the rear seats, do the tethers get in the way when you need to slide something in or have something large (e.g. table top) that wants to lay flat?
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    The Back seats split 60/40...Table on one side
    Child seat on the other...
  • Last week in the paper (SF area) a dealership posted $2777 under MSRP for all wagons. I e-mailed and verified the price. It comes to around $900 under invoice. I was wondering if anyone knows about any incentives these dealers are getting and if others are finding similar deals?
  • alfoxalfox Posts: 716
    The tethers have never bothered us. We travel often with the seats down and the back filled with camping gear etc. If I were carrying furniture I would throw a blanket down under it anyway to protect the wood surface.
  • What was the dealer in the SF area with this deal? Thanks
  • The ad was from Dirito VW, but I think it was only good for last weekend. Also I noticed on the base model the savings is more like $600, not $900, off dealer invoice. I also had other dealers match it so I'd check in the paper and take the lowest price you find to any dealer. Let me know what you find.

    Is there a review of the plain old FWD GLS model? Everything I find is for either a 4motion or GLX V6.
  • gls review......get one.......I will be getting my second one (first one totaled in rear ender) in a couple of weeks.......couldn't find anything else that was decent in the price range....the 1.8t has 170hp and it was plenty fast for me ( island driving no freeways) if you need more juice you can chip it......decent gas milage ( around 24 for me) I guess better on the hiways......get the wagon
    for the other poster the child seat tethers weren's a problem as I put good old cardboard down to protect the cargo floor...I will be getting a "car box" mat for the new car It is designed to cover all WITH the seat folded down
  • Easy question... I was reading through the car reviews and realized the cruise control buttons are on the steering wheel for leather interior models. Is it the same for the base, cloth interior model or are the located elsewhere? I can't remember from my test drive nor can I find an interior photo of a non-leather Passat.

    Also, what's a good place to look at accessories, such as a rubber cargo mat, for Passat wagons? I'd like to get an idea of what's available and the prices.

  • In my GLS, the cruise control buttons are on the turn signal lever.

    A few times lately, while driving in town, my car makes a chime sound (a fairly pleasant one). It just does this once, and the outside temperature display blinks for a little while. Does anyone know what this means?
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    Yep, the temperature outside your car is now cool enough to generate black ice on the roadway. I believe the chime comes on at 39 degree F. It's a warning for you to be careful. There's a section in the owner's manual that details this feature.
  • weathertech car mats can be had at o'neill automotive,...punch in "weathertech" and their site should come up...

    also for a variety of mats including the german "car box" brand.....

    for the MB cargo net(fits the passat wagon nicely and only 25 bucks) I think it's
    check out and for more info on aftermarket stuff....
    with leater seats cruise control on stem and steering wheel.....
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469 didn't work for me...but I found this one:

    $29 US plus I think $3.50 shipping.

  • Thanks for the explanation for the chime. I had noticed it always flashed 39 degrees at that time, but I wasn't sure if the chime indicated a thermometer malfunction, the border between each ten degrees, or what. (I did read the manual, but not with that chime in mind, and I must have missed it.)
  • alfoxalfox Posts: 716
    I think at 29 degrees (when snow melt will begin to freeze on an otherwise warm road road) and yet again at 23 (when road salt begins to lose effect.)
  • altair4altair4 Posts: 1,469
    I dunno about it sounding again at 29 degrees. I know that the snowflake icon disappears if the temperature drops below a certain point...low twenties, I think?

    Found it! The range is about 4 degrees C to -4 degrees C, or about 39 degrees F to 23 degress F. Then the snowflake disappears.
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