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Subaru Legacy/Outback



  • My mistake on the GT - that's what happens when you're trying to look at too sites at once. At least the price is near invoice.

    Thanks for all the helpful comments.

    Does anoyone know of a place to look at dealership customer feedback?
  • jfljfl Posts: 1,385
    You were originally considering the Passat wagon vs. the Outback. You might also want to consider the Subaru Legacy L/Special Edition wagon. It has the same engine as the GT and costs about $4000 less. It's probably the best value in Legacys.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, you get the cloth you wanted, a moonroof, 16" alloys, all for under $20 grand around here, even with auto.

    The seats are not heated, but other than that it's quite well equipped.

  • dudedude Posts: 123
    The only problem I see with L/SE is that the driver seat doesn't have height adjustment and lumbar support.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Well, in that price range you can't expect too much. Actually the Forester L has both, if you like Foresters.

  • mrdetailermrdetailer Posts: 1,118
    If you don't have a family, you might want to seriously look at a Forrester.

    As far as color, quite honestly the closer you can get to white the easier it is to maintain. But Red looks so sweet, as do dark greens or blues. More effort however.
  • from a dealer's web site near me. I have made the prices appear in bold face.

    USED specials...

    2001 Subaru Outback Limited Wagon AWD - Auto, Leather, Dual Moonroofs, Heated Seats, Power Windows/Locks/Mirrors, AM/FM/6-CD Changer - 36,581 miles - Stk # SUU0714 - just $20,986

    2002 Subaru Impreza WRX Sedan AWD - Auto, Power Windows/Locks/Mirrors, AM/FM/6-CD Changer, MOMO Steering Wheel, Alloy Wheels - 20,014 miles - Stk # SUU0710 - just $21,986

    2003 Subaru Impreza WRX Sedan LOADED!

    Stk # SU30097 4 Door, Turbo, 5-Speed, A/C, Power Windows/Locks/Mirrors, ABS, AM/FM/6-CD Changer, Tilt, Cruise, Front/Side Airbags, Alloy Wheels, plus:

    Short Throw Shifter
    Premium Sound Package
    Security System
    Performance Guage Pack
    Carbon Fiber Patterned Trim
    Electrochromatic Compass Mirror
    Armrest Extension
    MSRP $27,423 Buy for $24,486!

    BTW MSRP on an 03 Outback LTD is around $27,930 minus a $500 dealer incentive which brings it to $27,430, and you can buy one for around $25,300.
  • What is the invoice price the dealer quoted you on the '03 Legacy Special Edition? Did you make use of sites like or one of those?
  • HI, I didn't know if I was going to get an answer from anyone.
    I used one of the other services. the invoice was about 2000 below msrp. like in the States. I don't know why you can't get it on the net here, but you can't... it's even harder to find holdback or incentive information.
  • After driving a corolla for so many years, I learned what to appreciate. Constantly flicking the windshield wiper switch while driving can get annoying. It may seem trivial, but I must have intermittent wipers. Alas, the legacy SE doesn't offer them.

    On another topic... child seat teathers.
    I plan to keep this car for many years to come and although it's not an issue now, it could be in the future. I would like to know what people think of the position of the child seat teathers in the 2003 Outback and 2003 Passat wagons? In the Outback, they are on the ceiling - does this affect your rear view sight (with a child seat strapped in)? In the Passat they are on the back of the rear seats. What happens when you need a flat cargo area with the rear seats folded - do the child seat teathers get in the way?
  • grahampetersgrahampeters AustraliaPosts: 1,783

    We have two kids and formerly used two tethers, now down to one as Tamsin keeps growing rapidly. In the Outback, I have had no difficulties at all with the tethers but removed the rear head restraints which can obstruct vision. We may need to reinstall one now as Tamsin keeps shooting up (no question that she'll be taller than her mum but wondering now whether she'll beat her 1.8m dad- long legs, broad shoulders and slim - that's the kid, not dad!)

    Seat folding is no drama and I do it regularly. I don't even bother to remove the tethers but just sling them to the side of the load area.

    My recollection of the Passat is that there is effectively no difference on the child seat attachment front. Both are good.


  • red927red927 Posts: 118
    The Special Edition does have intermittent wipers, however they are only one speed. The GT and the Outbacks have variable speeds.


  • Brian....I am having new parts put in for my clutch today as well ('02 Outback). The parts being replaced are the flywheel, disk and cover. Hopefully will help the problem. I mentioned something about the TSB on this, but the service rep looked at me like I had two heads.
  • HI,
    I thought about this wiper business, too. I find it rather silly that Subaru flaunts getting a "variable" intermittent wiper at the GT level as a big point in there many upgraded features. COME ON! This is a BASIC safety feature that you get standard on most GM cars and other base level vehicles. I don't consider this as a "luxury" accessory like a sun roof, or leather, or dual climate, etc.. but a basic safety item. It must cost pennies to go from installing an intermittent switch to a variable one, and it's one place where I think subaru drops the ball. I certainly isn't something that I think justifies the steep increase in price from the SE to the GT, and should be standard on ALL levels. That's like saying on the top of the line, you get TWO wipers, not one, or adding a mirror on the right side door as a bonus. Be safe Subaru.
  • cptpltcptplt Posts: 1,075
    the price difference comes from the different interior - leather, adjustable seats and the different suspension. the reality is they are making the SE a steal compared to prev prices for the same spec level till this MY, the 03 SE is essentially my 98 GT with a softer suspension and no seat height adjust!

    yes, the intermittent wipe feature probably costs them only a few bucks, if you think GM is safe, what do you think about them making ABS optional on their base cars as they have announced?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, our Legacy L has intermittent wipers. The delay is just about where you'd usually have it. My Forester is the same way, and even though my previous car had it, I don't really miss it. You ended up fiddling with the variable adjustment all the time as your speeds change, that's the hassle you're trying to avoid in the first place.

    What would be cool is a speed-dependent intermittent setting. Set it and forget it. Didn't the SVX have that?

    cdndriver: remember the base Honda Civic from the late 80s? Vinyl seats, 4 speed manual, and no right-side mirror? The Sentra was the same way. No wonder there were reliable, there were no features on them that could break!

    Tether anchors are purely about safety, they have to be sturdy first and foremost. I'd rather have them anchored to a reinforced metal D-pillar frame, then a floppy seat that folds.

    The view is only partially blocked, it didn't bother me.

    GM used to have ABS, but mostly on lousy braking systems. Subaru's stopping distances are shorter across the board, and they've kept ABS standard while GM cut costs to compete with the Koreans. Seriously.

    Having said that, I would like to see Subaru standardize more features. Put 4 disc brakes on every car, no more drums. The lit key ring, too. Vanity mirrors. Shiftronic. Even the AWD systems, use VTD in every model.

  • tocatoca Posts: 147
    "It must cost pennies to go from installing an intermittent switch to a variable one...."

    May be even more cost effective for Subaru if they just carry just one type too.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I agree. Standardize, guys!

  • dudedude Posts: 123
    Filled up my GT yesterday after a weekend road trip. A combined city driving plus mountain road climbing and some highway miles rendered a 24.9 MPG. Not too bad considering that I was climbing a lot with tach @4000 RPM.
  • bigelmbigelm Posts: 995
    That must have all the options then...

    I just bought my wife a '03 Outback Wagon Limited MSRP $25,600, I paid invoice price $23,400. Only option; dimming mirror w/compass. But what else do you want...? It's fully loaded, even a 6 disc changer with decent sound.

    Now...time to adjust those foglights :-)
  • nygregnygreg Posts: 1,936
    my last fill up (this morning) came in at 19mpg! I think my wife has been rallying without telling me. I will install the K&N filter within a week and clock it again. (I am ashamed to say that I have not even looked at my filter since it was new - now has 32K on it). Bad Dobby, bad Dobby.

  • mn_patmn_pat Posts: 67
    96 legacy l wagon 108k

    Since its started getting cold i've been getting around 19mpg. The best I've ever gotten was 27mpg on a summer driving trip.

    I've owned this car for 5 winters now, its always averaged less than 20mpg in the winter. I've gotten as low as 15 mpg when its been really cold in January. I'm in MN so, really cold is -10 to -20 or worse.

    Don't get me wrong, this is a great car.... starts every morning no matter the temp and only 1 unscheduled repair, the alternator.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's probably two things - it's running inefficiently until it warms up, and oxygenated gas.

    A block heater would cure the 1st, but not the 2nd.

  • The invoice listed on CarsDirest is over $24,600 for a new, base model Outback Ltd with manual transmission. I can see getting a few hundred under invoice but $1,200? Where are you located if I may ask?
  • jay_24jay_24 Posts: 536
    mn_pat, I agrgee! I normally get 27ish to maybe 28mpg all summer, but lately I hope to get 24. I'm not very knowledable about engine performance but its running way to rich when cold. You can watch the gas gauge drop in the first 5 miles of driving. I may invest in an engine block heater even though the car is garaged.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I average 25mpg over the long haul, but just 22mpg in winter.

  • nygregnygreg Posts: 1,936
    my garage is kept at 50C and I am still getting 19-21 mpg. I think it may be the cold air (running rich) and a block heater won't help here. Oxygenated gas probably too. Perhaps it will improve as we really get into winter and the ECU adjusts. Maybe resetting the ECU, as recommended, would help. Need to collect some data.

  • Sounds like low 20's is common in the cold. Under mixed driving, cold temps, I've been around 20-21 MPG last couple times I checked. Was closer to 25-26 over the summer.
  • goosegoggoosegog Posts: 206
    Has anyone else encountered this problem? I find the battery holddown on my 00 OB is constantly corroding. The top of the battery is always slightly damp with acid and despite regular cleaning with baking soda solution I have now been forced to remove the holddown and repaint it. I suppose I could replace it with a rubber one but why should I? Anyway, it could spread down the battery to the tray too.

    The battery is by Johnson Controls. It has two raised covers for the filler but no little lip around them to contain spillage. I've never had to top up the battery, but I'm wondering if the dealership might have overfilled it during routine service. If this is not a common problem I might try sucking a little out from each cell.
  • mn_patmn_pat Posts: 67
    How does one do that? Disconnect the battery?
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